The Frederick St protest and reaction

Guy:Incognito · 23-09-2018 12:59pm

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Where are these ghost estates and then ask yourself why noone thought of this before?

Does it matter where they are? You're either in desperate need of a house or youre not.

There are estates full of people in laois and other places that are commuting to Dublin for work who'd rather have a house in Dublin. But they had to buy their own house where they could afford.

Hitman3000 · 23-09-2018 1:03pm

Guy:Incognito wrote:

Does it matter where they are? You're either in desperate need of a house or youre not.

Of course it matters, what is the point putting people in houses miles away from basic services.

sexmag · 23-09-2018 1:05pm

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Where are these ghost estates and then ask yourself why noone thought of this before?

Putting people in those estate will not only help their problems but in the long run will bring further business and Investment into the area,school could be 5 miles from the housing estate,boom someone creates a bus service, no local shops in walking distance,boom someone opens up a centra, eventually this area becomes a village and so on. The only thing stopping people pushing this is they don't want to move away from where they are now because of family etc but ultimately you need to way up your options,be homeless or have a nice home but further away, can't have your cake and eat it too

All Seeing Eye · 23-09-2018 1:05pm

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Of course it matters, what is the point putting people in houses miles away from basic services.

Sure they all have cars. Looks at mags cash she’s homeless and has a car.

sexmag · 23-09-2018 1:06pm

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Of course it matters, what is the point putting people in houses miles away from basic services.

See my above post

Hitman3000 · 23-09-2018 1:07pm

All Seeing Eye wrote:

Sure they all have cars. Looks at mags cash sheâ€™s homeless and has a car.

Thank god for Cash, the Derek Byrne of the homeless crisis. All the usual commentators have a hard on for her .

Hitman3000 · 23-09-2018 1:08pm

sexmag wrote:

See my above post

I did it's nonsense. Hence why I have no intention of responding to it.

All Seeing Eye · 23-09-2018 1:09pm

If you want a better house then go to college, get a trade, work hard, save, don’t have loads of kids, otherwise take what your given. Simple!

Topgear on Dave · 23-09-2018 1:10pm

sexmag wrote: »

Putting people in those estate will not only help their problems but in the long run will bring further business and Investment into the area,school could be 5 miles from the housing estate,boom someone creates a bus service, no local shops in walking distance,boom someone opens up a centra, eventually this area becomes a village and so on. The only thing stopping people pushing this is they don't want to move away from where they are now because of family etc but ultimately you need to way up your options,be homeless or have a nice home but further away, can't have your cake and eat it too

Your *boom* *things will happen* is exceptionally simplistic. Most ghosts estates round home are long gone by now anyway.

Guy:Incognito · 23-09-2018 1:10pm

Hitman3000 wrote: »

I did it's nonsense. Hence why I have no intention of responding to it.

So how did all the people that moved out of Dublin to new places get by over the last 20 years?

Or do they not matter cos they had to buy their own homes?

Hitman3000 · 23-09-2018 1:13pm

Guy:Incognito wrote:

So how did all the people that moved out of Dublin to new places get by over the last 20 years?

If you want an answer to a question ask one that makes some semblance of sense

Guy:Incognito wrote:

Or do they not matter cos they had to buy their own homes?

What?

Guy:Incognito · 23-09-2018 1:18pm

Hitman3000 wrote: »

If you want an answer to a question ask one that makes some semblance of sense

What?

What bit is hard to figure out? Estates were built in various places around the country where none were before. People moved out of cities and commuted to work from these estates.theyre still there.

How did these people survive in these new estates but all of a sudden a load of people who are "homeless" couldn't get on because the houses aren't beside a shopping centre and their parents?

Why was it good enough for people buying their own homes but not for social housing tenants?

Even forget ghost estates. Buy a big , cheap chunk of land somewhere and build them a big estate. Why is the focus on getting them places in Dublin where it's expensive and scarce?

hmmm · 23-09-2018 1:19pm

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

So how did all the people that moved out of Dublin to new places get by over the last 20 years?

Or do they not matter cos they had to buy their own homes?

If you're buying your own place you have to make sacrifices. You might have fewer bedrooms than you need, live further out of town, can't live beside your parents etc.

Some of the "homeless" appear to have a long list of demands before they're willing to accept your offer of a free house.

sexmag · 23-09-2018 1:19pm

Hitman3000 wrote: »

If you want an answer to a question ask one that makes some semblance of sense

What?

Their question makes perfect sense however you just dismissed my suggestion as if it holds no ground when guy:incognito pointed out people have been doing if over 20 years and have faired just fine

sexmag · 23-09-2018 1:20pm

hmmm wrote: »

If you're buying your own place you have to make sacrifices. You might have fewer bedrooms than you need, live further out of town, can't live beside your parents etc.

Some of the "homeless" appear to have a long list of demands before they're willing to accept your offer of a free house.

That's quite a fair assessment,if people buying a house have to scarface why can't the homeless?

McMurphy · 23-09-2018 1:40pm

hmmm wrote: »

"Rent" for social housing is a joke.
http://www.publicpolicy.ie/local-authority-rent-arrears/

"A quarter of Local Authority tenancies (11,870 or 26 per cent) across Dublin are in rent arrears to the value of more than 12 weeks rent. Forty-three per cent of tenancies (19,576) are not in arrears. Over half (57 per cent) of all tenancies are in arrears."

You need a different plan for how you are going to pay for this, because the occupants sure aren't going to be.

Someone (not Margaret Cash) should introduce legislation to tackle this. Attachments to earnings/dole or whatever.

They covered all bases fairly sharpish to ensure any such non compliance was covered ref the LPT, you'd nearly think they're not really trying with social housing payment arrears.

23-09-2018 1:52pm

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Would you have gotten a private rented house for €494 a month?

The whole point of social housing is to make it affordable to people on low incomes!

Are we really grumbling that its rents are not market rents?! 25% of a low salary is a substantial, and a fair, chunk to pay in rent. Availability of this type of housing should be increased, not diminished or even criticised.

23-09-2018 1:55pm

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Does it matter where they are? You're either in desperate need of a house or youre not.

There are estates full of people in laois and other places that are commuting to Dublin for work who'd rather have a house in Dublin. But they had to buy their own house where they could afford.

The road infrastructure in the Dublin region is full to capacity and you want to add more to the mix? Just no.......

McMurphy · 23-09-2018 2:07pm

Just seen the footage of the big baldy English lad (clearly no stranger to the biscuit tin) who walked past some protesters calling them effing scroungers etc and then lobbed a severed pigeons head at them.

Who the actual fcuk walks around with pigeons heads on their person

Kermit.de.frog · 23-09-2018 2:14pm

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Just seen the footage of the big baldy English lad (clearly no stranger to the biscuit tin) who walked past some protesters calling them effing scroungers etc and then lobbed a severed pigeons head at them.

Who the actual fcuk walks around with pigeons heads on their person

Brexiteers.

23-09-2018 2:14pm

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Just seen the footage of the big baldy English lad (clearly no stranger to the biscuit tin) who walked past some protesters calling them effing scroungers etc and then lobbed a severed pigeons head at them.

Who the actual fcuk walks around with pigeons heads on their person

Given the amount of people on this very thread who have openly fantasised about police violence (none of whom would probably get within an ass's roar of joining the Guards), that's not even particularly surprising.

Yer Da sells Avon · 23-09-2018 2:24pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Given the amount of people on this very thread who have openly fantasised about police violence (none of whom would probably get within an ass's roar of joining the Guards), that's not even particularly surprising.

It was probably one of them.

Couldn't possibly have been Wheeliebin30 though, because he was too busy 'contributing to society'.

Guy:Incognito · 23-09-2018 2:29pm

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

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Who the actual fcuk walks around with pigeons heads on their person

So you eat the head and all do you? Bloody weirdo.

McMurphy · 23-09-2018 2:29pm

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

It was probably one of them.

Couldn't possibly have been Wheeliebin30 though, because he was too busy 'contributing to society'.

It's not fair to assume anyone that disagrees with the protests would be capable of physically or verbally abusing people on the street and lob dead animals heads at them.
...

You wouldn't find any of them lads labelling any one who thinks the housing and homeless crises needs tackled as a Margaret Cash supporting - dole scrounging trot now would ya?

Wheeliebin30 · 23-09-2018 3:15pm

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

It was probably one of them.

Couldn't possibly have been Wheeliebin30 though, because he was too busy 'contributing to society'.

Oh how’s it going there?

Yep I was contributing to society and the pot.

Someone has too so the criminal Margaret Cash can get a free house.

The money has to come from somewhere.

Hitman3000 · 23-09-2018 3:22pm

Wheeliebin30 wrote:

Someone has too so the criminal Margaret Cash can get a free house.

Cash is the gift that keeps on giving. It was Derek Byrne during the water charge protests. Change the record lad you're getting beyond tedious at this stage .

Yer Da sells Avon · 23-09-2018 3:29pm

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Oh how’s it going there?

Yep I was contributing to society and the pot.

Someone has too so the criminal Margaret Cash can get a free house.

The money has to come from somewhere.

We've heard a lot about her, but what about working people who aren't looking for 'a free house', but who can't (or don't want to) buy one and are searching for a rare and expensive rental property instead? Do you sympathise with them?

23-09-2018 3:36pm

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Oh how’s it going there?

Yep I was contributing to society and the pot.

Someone has too so the criminal Margaret Cash can get a free house.

The money has to come from somewhere.

Your accountant isn't doing his job it seems........

Guy:Incognito · 23-09-2018 3:49pm

Celebrities not fact checking and just repeating horsehit that was shown to be such fairly soon after the event. Hmmm . Usual folk lappingnit up though. As well as Tommy Robinson not being named in a reply but called "a journalist " and keeping stuff vague to whip up more ****e about the UK.

https://twitter.com/RobMSheehan/status/1043521161856995328?s=19

Wheeliebin30 · 23-09-2018 3:53pm

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Cash is the gift that keeps on giving. It was Derek Byrne during the water charge protests. Change the record lad you're getting beyond tedious at this stage .

Nope.

If the protestors and Sinn Fein are putting her out there as their spokesperson I am perfectly entitled to give my opinion about her.

The Frederick St protest and reaction

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