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The Frederick St protest and reaction

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    #2012
    Brendan Bendar
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    pjohnson wrote: »
    Are you not the lad who falls over yourself championing Trade Unions when the bus drivers get the annual strike?


    No Pee, you got me mixed up with some other cretin.

    Hint..... EOR.... :cool:


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    #2013
    Edgware
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    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    They have used batons on students who occupied an office and caught serious flak for it. You can call for baton charges and teargas all you want but the force has to be proportionate to the actions of the protest.

    Not with students. They need to get a good clipping everynow and again. All full of social justice till they graduate and join P.W.C. or become Consultants hitting us for 200 for a five minute "consultation"


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    #2014
    hatrickpatrick
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    Chewbacca wrote: »
    Rubbish.

    My reasoning does not need to be twisted or applied to another scenario and merely doing so undermines your argument and it's not actually an apt scenario.

    Explain to me why there is a housing crisis and how a 'vacant property tax' will fix it.

    There's a scarcity of the resource of fully built housing on the market. And in that context, wasting it, just like wasting water (another national resource which has recently gone through a period of scarcity) is socially irresponsible and something that the government has every legitimate right to take action against, just like it took action against wasting water during a water shortage.

    Again, your issue is either failing or refusing to accept that some of us see land as a national resource first and foremost, and as a private asset second. When there's a crisis, the first concern takes precedence over the second. Not everyone agrees with this, but many people are simply refusing to accept that it's a legitimate political belief at all, which is absurd since it was a legitimate political belief for most of Ireland's post-independence history.


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    #2015
    All Seeing Eye
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    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    There's a scarcity of the resource of fully built housing on the market. And in that context, wasting it, just like wasting water (another national resource which has recently gone through a period of scarcity) is socially irresponsible and something that the government has every legitimate right to take action against, just like it took action against wasting water during a water shortage.

    Again, your issue is either failing or refusing to accept that some of us see land as a national resource first and foremost, and as a private asset second. When there's a crisis, the first concern takes precedence over the second. Not everyone agrees with this, but many people are simply refusing to accept that it's a legitimate political belief at all, which is absurd since it was a legitimate political belief for most of Ireland's post-independence history.

    Dangerous commie talk there. Whats next? Seizing the means of production with you being installed as a party official so that you get a bit more for yourself.


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    #2016
    Brendan Bendar
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    Edgware wrote: »
    Not with students. They need to get a good clipping everynow and again. All full of social justice till they graduate and join P.W.C. or become Consultants hitting us for 200 for a five minute "consultation"

    Have form there Edge, look at Duffy, Lawlor, Finucane et al al. RTE

    All supping deeply from the taxpayers trough despite being ‘rebels’ in their suudent days.

    Well spotted and articulated Edge, time some of the nults posting in here recognized that


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    #2017
    Yer Da sells Avon
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    Captain Obvious wrote: »
    And if they don't know when that might be?

    Well, then they should have to either pay a vacant property tax on it or sell it.


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    #2018
    Edgware
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    Brendan Bendar wrote: »
    Have form there Edge, look at Duffy, Lawlor, Finucane et al al. RTE

    All supping deeply from the taxpayers trough despite being ‘rebels’ in their suudent days.

    Well spotted and articulated Edge, time some of the nults posting in here recognized that

    Look at Duffy, White of the Labour Party etc. Quick to forget the revolution when they got their heads in the R.T.E. trough.

    Of course its easy to slag off the much maligned De Valera, Frank Aiken and Sean Moylan but the real Labour Party of the 30s i.e. Fianna Fail did something about the tenements and slums with a massive house building programme


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    #2019
    BBFAN
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    Yeah_Right wrote: »
    Not bad. There's quite a bit there I think is ok but I wouldn't want that for everyone. The list is good but should apply only to those who can't afford their own place. They apply for it and get means tested. If you can afford your own place and you choose to do it without support, you can live where you want.

    You did leave out working couples with no kids or dependents. Where would they fit in? In the case of working couples, which person's work gets priority when you are giving them a house?

    Also I don't think people who have more kids should get priority. Cap it at 3. If you have more, you don't go any further up the list. They should do the same for social welfare payments.

    When you say "distance to school" do you mean any school? As in "here's your house, your kids will have to change schools." Because I would be fine with that.

    Working couple would come into the category of working person/s with no children. One bedroom apartment. Couple can make the choice themselves which persons work they live closer to, they do this anyway.

    Distance to school, yes, distance to any school.


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    #2020
    Wheeliebin30
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    Seen them there in the RTÉ news.

    Champagne socialists, single mothers, Grey tracksuit scrotes and Margaret Cash the criminal traveller.

    Spare me, bunch of mooching attention seekers.


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    Hitman3000
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    Brendan Bendar wrote:
    Well spotted and articulated Edge, time some of the nults posting in here recognized that


    Tut tut Brendan I thought you were above name calling?


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    #2022
    Yer Da sells Avon
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    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    Seen them there in the RTÉ news.

    Champagne socialists, single mothers, Grey tracksuit scrotes and Margaret Cash the criminal traveller.

    Spare me, bunch of mooching attention seekers.

    A lot of hard-working people there too, all of whom just want somewhere affordable to live.


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    #2023
    Brendan Bendar
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    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    Tut tut Brendan I thought you were above name calling?

    Soz Hit, just harmless joshing, not meant to be insulting.

    My apologies if it offended.


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    #2024
    Wheeliebin30
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    Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »
    A lot of hard-working people there too, all of whom just want somewhere affordable to live.

    Didn’t see any of them.

    Any links or pics?

    I did see Margaret Cash the criminal there.


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    #2025
    hmmm
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    Some obstructing working people trying to go about their day, and trying to get home to their families. It's an unbelievably incompetent protest which is doing nothing except pissing people off.


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    #2026
    Yer Da sells Avon
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    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    Didn’t see any of them.

    Any links or pics?

    I did see Margaret Cash the criminal there.

    You and your far-right ilk only see what you want to see.


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    Edgware
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    Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »
    A lot of hard-working people there too, all of whom just want somewhere affordable to live.
    And it must sicken them to see the likes of Cash bleeding the system


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    hatrickpatrick
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    All Seeing Eye wrote: »
    Dangerous commie talk there. Whats next? Seizing the means of production with you being installed as a party official so that you get a bit more for yourself.

    Sure, because from 1930 all the way up until 1990, the Republic of Ireland was actually known as the Peoples' Democratic Republic of Ireland, and operated a totalitarian communist system :rolleyes:

    Do you folks actually understand any of the historical context here? You do realise that the tenements were privately owned, not state owned, right? And you do realise that Dublin Corporation (City Countil) forcefully acquired all of them by compulsory purchase, razed them to the ground, and built high density social housing where they used to stand, right?

    The ignorance of Irish history on display in this thread is absurd.


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    #2029
    Yer Da sells Avon
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    Edgware wrote: »
    And it must sicken them to see the likes of Cash bleeding the system

    She's not the reason they're paying massive rents.


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    #2030
    Wheeliebin30
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    Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »
    You and your far-right ilk only see what you want to see.

    My far right ilk:)

    Awh you lefties are so precious.

    I only seen the 6 o clock news sorry I was out earning money and contributing to society.

    While these morons were blocking traffic and people trying to earn money to pay taxes.

    They all have the paw out for handouts, moochers.

    Anyway yeah I seen Margaret Cash the criminal there who has 7 kids with a convicted burglar.

    Oh dear, these people need houses right now, the poor divils.

    Spare me........


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    #2031
    Brendan Bendar
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    hmmm wrote: »
    Some obstructing working people trying to go about their day, and trying to get home to their families. It's an unbelievably incompetent protest which is doing nothing except pissing people off.

    Lads are fired up by the Water Charge debacle hmmm.

    Let me say, the keystones won’t be hung out to dry 9n this one.

    They will have learned from Jobbo, as we have seen.

    The conductors of this are staying well below the radar on this one.

    Like ‘Nam.. letting the grunts take the hits.

    Staying well back in the World,as the saying went;)


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    #2032
    Yer Da sells Avon
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    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    I only seen the 6 o clock news sorry I was out earning money and contributing to society.

    I'd be shocked if that were true.


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    #2033
    McMurphy
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    hmmm wrote: »
    Some obstructing working people trying to go about their day, and trying to get home to their families. It's an unbelievably incompetent protest which is doing nothing except pissing people off.

    I wasn't next nor near it today (city or protest), (the life of the self employed eh) but it would appear to me that it's keeping the issue fresh on people's minds, and highlighting it.

    The whole frederick street thing had almost passed me by completely only for this thread.

    Wasn't sentiments like yours above thrown about all over the place when the water protests were in full swing? Skangers this, dole scroungers that, blocking the highways , rabble rabble rabble.

    Now to be abundantly clear, I don't endorse anyone blocking traffic, but I fully endorse their protests.

    What with all the calls for the guards to baton charge protests, set the hounds on them, and blast them with water cannons to crush their protests, it reminds me on what might happen to a protest movement against a government in one of these socialist/communist type utopias lots of the lads on here apparently detest so much.

    Let's look at it rationally though, it's hardly a break down of law and order and all societal structures now is it?


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    #2034
    Beechwoodspark
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    Disgusting to see that criminal Margaret cash given air time on RTÉ news earlier


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    #2035
    Wheeliebin30
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    Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »
    I'd be shocked if that were true.

    Why?


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    #2036
    Yer Da sells Avon
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    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    Why?

    He doth protest too much. :)


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    #2037
    Wheeliebin30
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    Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »
    He doth protest too much. :)

    Again why?


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    All Seeing Eye
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    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    Sure, because from 1930 all the way up until 1990, the Republic of Ireland was actually known as the Peoples' Democratic Republic of Ireland, and operated a totalitarian communist system :rolleyes:

    Do you folks actually understand any of the historical context here? You do realise that the tenements were privately owned, not state owned, right? And you do realise that Dublin Corporation (City Countil) forcefully acquired all of them by compulsory purchase, razed them to the ground, and built high density social housing where they used to stand, right?

    The ignorance of Irish history on display in this thread is absurd.

    So they bought a few houses because they were in dangerous condition and people were living in them. That’s not the same as you are advocating Comrade.


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    #2039
    McMurphy
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    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Disgusting to see that criminal Margaret cash given air time on RTnews earlier

    RTE giving criminals airtime?

    The whole country's gone to hell in a hand cart:pac:


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    #2040
    Yer Da sells Avon
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    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    Again why?

    You overdid it with the 'contributing to society' bit.


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    #2041
    Wheeliebin30
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    Johnny Dogs wrote: »
    RTE giving criminals airtime?

    The whole country's gone to hell in a hand cart:pac:

    Nice twist.

    I take it you support Ms Cash and her burglar fella?

    Oh and she is a criminal too.


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