The Frederick St protest and reaction

22-09-2018 02:20PM

Graces7 wrote: »

Like this family and many like them?

https://www.galwaydaily.com/life-style/features/desperate-galway-family-on-brink-of-homelessness/

Not seeking a free house but facing being homeless.

Awful situation to be in.

Yet there are over 150 apartments/houses available on AirBnB.

BBFAN · 22-09-2018 02:26PM

Here's a utopian suggestion for all of those who go on about "free houses" and how they'd love one:

How about this day one:

1. Government takes control of all property, private, council, corporation etc. etc.
2. Government make new list
3. List goes as follows:

1st: Working couples people with children, only criteria distance from work. More children, higher up on list

2nd: Working single parents with children, only criteria distance from work, more children, higher up on list.

3rd: Working single people with no children, one bedroomed apartment, only criteria distance from work

4th: Disabled person (I mean physically disable), only criteria that the property be accessible.

5th: Unemployment people with children, only criteria is distance to school, more children, higher up.

6th: Unemployment people with no children, no criteria. Live exactly where you're told.

NO REFUSALS ALLOWANCE BY ANYONE

Under this plan every single person in the country would be housed and there would be no more housing crisis.

Would the majority be happy, hell no, think about it when you're on your relentless rants about free houses. It's tedious now and extremely lacking in any coherent thought process.

Would you like a "free house" under this scheme?

Hitman3000 · 22-09-2018 02:27PM

Deleted User wrote:

Yet there are over 150 apartments/houses available on AirBnB.

Are they all unoccupied rentals?ie owner living elsewhere.

blackwhite · 22-09-2018 02:29PM

I see the scumbags are trying to block O’Connell Bridge again.

blackwhite · 22-09-2018 02:31PM

BBFAN wrote: »

Here's a utopian suggestion for all of those who go on about "free houses" and how they'd love one:

How about this day one:

1. Government takes control of all property, private, council, corporation etc. etc.
2. Government make new list
3. List goes as follows:

1st: Working couples people with children, only criteria distance from work. More children, higher up on list

2nd: Working single parents with children, only criteria distance from work, more children, higher up on list.

3rd: Working single people with no children, one bedroomed apartment, only criteria distance from work

4th: Disabled person (I mean physically disable), only criteria that the property be accessible.

5th: Unemployment people with children, only criteria is distance to school, more children, higher up.

6th: Unemployment people with no children, no criteria. Live exactly where you're told.

NO REFUSALS ALLOWANCE BY ANYONE

Under this plan every single person in the country would be housed and there would be no more housing crisis.

Would the majority be happy, hell no, think about it when you're on your relentless rants about free houses. It's tedious now and extremely lacking in any coherent thought process.

Would you like a "free house" under this scheme?

Except that’s not how the housing schemes work now. Right now the less productive somebody is, the more they are rewarded for it. And they get to keep refusing, or trashing the places they don’t like, until they finally get exactly what they’ve demanded without ever contributing towards it

padd b1975 · 22-09-2018 02:35PM

blackwhite wrote: »

I see the scumbags are trying to block O’Connell Bridge again.

Plenty of ammunition for a water cannon close by thankfully.

Guy:Incognito · 22-09-2018 02:36PM

blackwhite wrote: »

I see the scumbags are trying to block O’Connell Bridge again.

I see the first part of the headline on the RTE news twitter is "protesters have heard calls for an end to evictions"

Yep, no risk of eviction, what could possibly go wrong.

22-09-2018 02:36PM

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Are they all unoccupied rentals?ie owner living elsewhere.

I would imagine so as they’re whole properties not rooms only. Most renting for roughly €100 a night.

Edgware · 22-09-2018 02:47PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Awful situation to be in.

Yet there are over 150 apartments/houses available on AirBnB.

So what?

Hitman3000 · 22-09-2018 02:49PM

Deleted User wrote:

I would imagine so as theyâ€™re whole properties not rooms only. Most renting for roughly â‚¬100 a night.

I had a look on the site 135 properties available for short term rental, how does that help a homeless family. Are you suggesting social housing should be the function of private home owners. Not the function of government?

22-09-2018 02:50PM

Edgware wrote: »

So what?

Er, there’s a housing shortage. These homes were built as homes, not holiday rentals.

M.Cribben · 22-09-2018 02:51PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

I see the first part of the headline on the RTE news twitter is "protesters have heard calls for an end to evictions"

Yep, no risk of eviction, what could possibly go wrong.

This is fantastic. I'm cancelling my mortgage direct debit first thing Monday morning.

blackwhite · 22-09-2018 02:55PM

Hitman3000 wrote: »

I had a look on the site 135 properties available for short term rental, how does that help a homeless family. Are you suggesting social housing should be the function of private home owners. Not the function of government?

TBH - I’ve always thought that someone doing nothing but short term lets with a property should have to apply for planning permission for change of use.

They’re currently effectively operating a business competing with hotels, but with effectively zero regulation.

22-09-2018 02:56PM

1,000 people holding a city to ransom. Shame on them. https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2018/0922/995372-protests/

guylikeme · 22-09-2018 02:58PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

1,000 people holding a city to ransom. Shame on them. https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2018/0922/995372-protests/

On a saturday too. Youd be whinging more if they did it during the week.

The right wing 9 to 5er is not affected but will still moan.

blackwhite · 22-09-2018 03:00PM

guylikeme wrote: »

On a saturday too. Youd be whinging more if they did it during the week.

The right wing 9 to 5er is not affected but will still moan.

Strange how people think targeting the general public instead of those responsible for the problems isn’t a legitimate for of protest :rolleyes:

Scumbags being scumbags tend to be condemned by right-minded people, regardless of the day of the week

Hitman3000 · 22-09-2018 03:02PM

Deleted User wrote:

Er, thereâ€™s a housing shortage. These homes were built as homes, not holiday rentals.

According to an article on the 23rd of Jan this year there are 7,000 listings on air BnB . A mix of houses, apartments, chalets and owner occupied . Are you suggesting private individuals have no right to use their property as they see fit. A bit of a hypocritical stance considering your attitude in general to the homeless and your pervious comments on this thread. You can't run with the hare and the hounds.

Hitman3000 · 22-09-2018 03:04PM

blackwhite wrote:

TBH - Iâ€™ve always thought that someone doing nothing but short term lets with a property should have to apply for planning permission for change of use.

A substantial number are owner occupied renting a room. Little difference from the governments rent a room scheme.

blackwhite wrote:

Theyâ€™re currently effectively operating a business competing with hotels, but with effectively zero regulation.

I agree,It's taxable and regulations are coming.

Guy:Incognito · 22-09-2018 03:04PM

How come they don't occupy a ghost Estate in the Midlands and demand it be finished off for homeless families? Sure that'd get a couple of hundred of people homes straight away.............

guylikeme · 22-09-2018 03:05PM

blackwhite wrote: »

Strange how people think targeting the general public instead of those responsible for the problems isn’t a legitimate for of protest :rolleyes:

Scumbags being scumbags tend to be condemned by right-minded people, regardless of the day of the week

Are you suggesting they follow Varakakar home or something? Awareness is a big part of this and sadly the column inches given to reporting this dont come without a cost.

Id like you to propose a way for them to peacefully protest that gets the needed attention.

22-09-2018 03:05PM

Hitman3000 wrote: »

According to an article on the 23rd of Jan this year there are 7,000 listings on air BnB . A mix of houses, apartments, chalets and owner occupied . Are you suggesting private individuals have no right to use their property as they see fit. A bit of a hypocritical stance considering your attitude in general to the homeless and your pervious comments on this thread. You can't run with the hare and the hounds.

Whole properties built as family homes shouldn’t be used for short term let’s. Renting out a room or two in your own property while you’re living there is entirely different.

Hitman3000 · 22-09-2018 03:12PM

Deleted User wrote:

1,000 people holding a city to ransom. Shame on them.[/quote
Sure Frank was here a few weeks ago, he caused more disruption to the city than these protesters.Where was your outrage then?

hatrickpatrick · 22-09-2018 03:12PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Apparently you can get court orders in a Civil court too. Civil matter it was.

That's correct, but, surely once you defy a court order, be it civil or criminal, it becomes a criminal offence defined as contempt of court?

As in, contempt of court is itself a criminal offence, so surely it's irrelevant whether a court order originated in a civil or criminal court proceeding - once the order is actively and deliberately defied by its subject, does that not automatically constitute a criminal offence?

Hitman3000 · 22-09-2018 03:13PM

blackwhite wrote:

Strange how people think targeting the general public instead of those responsible for the problems isnâ€™t a legitimate for of protest

Picketing a TD's house or causing disruption in the centre of the capital which do think causes greater focus?

Hitman3000 · 22-09-2018 03:16PM

Deleted User wrote:

Whole properties built as family homes shouldnâ€™t be used for short term letâ€™s. Renting out a room or two in your own property while youâ€™re living there is entirely different.

So you have an issue with what a private individual does with there property. You do realise that is the same stance as the protestors who occupied the building this thread is about? Ironic isn't it?

Yeah_Right · 22-09-2018 03:18PM

BBFAN wrote: »

Here's a utopian suggestion for all of those who go on about "free houses" and how they'd love one:

How about this day one:

1. Government takes control of all property, private, council, corporation etc. etc.
2. Government make new list
3. List goes as follows:

1st: Working couples people with children, only criteria distance from work. More children, higher up on list

2nd: Working single parents with children, only criteria distance from work, more children, higher up on list.

3rd: Working single people with no children, one bedroomed apartment, only criteria distance from work

4th: Disabled person (I mean physically disable), only criteria that the property be accessible.

5th: Unemployment people with children, only criteria is distance to school, more children, higher up.

6th: Unemployment people with no children, no criteria. Live exactly where you're told.

NO REFUSALS ALLOWANCE BY ANYONE

Under this plan every single person in the country would be housed and there would be no more housing crisis.

Would the majority be happy, hell no, think about it when you're on your relentless rants about free houses. It's tedious now and extremely lacking in any coherent thought process.

Would you like a "free house" under this scheme?

Not bad. There's quite a bit there I think is ok but I wouldn't want that for everyone. The list is good but should apply only to those who can't afford their own place. They apply for it and get means tested. If you can afford your own place and you choose to do it without support, you can live where you want.

You did leave out working couples with no kids or dependents. Where would they fit in? In the case of working couples, which person's work gets priority when you are giving them a house?

Also I don't think people who have more kids should get priority. Cap it at 3. If you have more, you don't go any further up the list. They should do the same for social welfare payments.

When you say "distance to school" do you mean any school? As in "here's your house, your kids will have to change schools." Because I would be fine with that.

Edgware · 22-09-2018 03:21PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

1,000 people holding a city to ransom. Shame on them. https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2018/0922/995372-protests/

1000? Is that all? The usual rent a mob so

matrim · 22-09-2018 03:23PM

Graces7 wrote: »

Like this family and many like them?

https://www.galwaydaily.com/life-style/features/desperate-galway-family-on-brink-of-homelessness/

Not seeking a free house but facing being homeless.

Why would they move by the end of september? The landlord has to give them 6 months and it sounds like he only gave 3. Tell him it's not a valid notification and they have at least another 6 months to look for a new place.

Hitman3000 · 22-09-2018 03:25PM

Edgware wrote:

1000? Is that all? The usual rent a mob so

Sure Frank was only one lad and look at the disruption he caused and the majority of the population couldn't give a flying f about him.

blackwhite · 22-09-2018 03:27PM

Hitman3000 wrote: »

A substantial number are owner occupied renting a room. Little difference from the governments rent a room scheme.

I agree,It's taxable and regulations are coming.

I’ve no issue on the rent a room people.

My issue is with houses/apartments that aren’t being lived in anymore, and are just pure short term lets. To me that’s a change of use

The Frederick St protest and reaction

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