Family of seven sleep in Garda station Mod note post one

Sweet.Science · 21-09-2018 01:41PM

'€33000' isnt much when you have kids' Poor Margaret Cash

How about €33,000 a year - that is taxed at 20%. Over €12,000 a year gone on mortgage payments, house insurance, property tax, electricity bills,commuting costs and you have kids.

The Loony Left have their heads in the clouds.

sightband · 21-09-2018 01:42PM

Edgware wrote: »

The tax payer contributed by building very nice bungalows at a halting site near Nurgrove shopping centre in Dublin 14. One of them would be ideal for Ms Cash. Except that the travellers wrecked two of them and cleared what lead and copper was in it.
You dont hear O Broin and co talking about that of course.

I live near that bombsite. There was a pram hanging out of the top of the roof of the burnt out house for years, still is as far as I know.

I noticed that a lot of the bungalows in halting sites are burnt out. Asked someone about this a while ago, apparently if one of them dies in the house they burn it out and won't live in it, pikey superstition of some type. Makes complete sense.

21-09-2018 01:46PM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

'€33000' isnt much when you have kids' Poor Margaret Cash

Lets just be clear, it's about €21k excluding child benefit, which even millionaires receive. The child benefit applies universally.

Sweet.Science · 21-09-2018 01:47PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Lets just be clear, it's about €21k excluding child benefit, which even millionaires receive. The child benefit applies universally.

So €33,000 including it - got you.

Thatnastyboy · 21-09-2018 01:47PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Lets just be clear, it's about €21k excluding child benefit, which even millionaires receive. The child benefit applies universally.

Do the millionaires contribute to the pot that the CB comes from though?

Deebles McBeebles · 21-09-2018 01:47PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Lets just be clear, it's about €21k excluding child benefit, which even millionaires receive. The child benefit applies universally.

Millionaires contribute something.

Wile E. Coyote · 21-09-2018 01:50PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Hang on, shouldn't you be comparing like with like?

I'm in full time employment, and my partner and I are in receipt of child benefit. You're comparing someone on benefits who receives child benefit, with someone who has no children. That's obviously problematic, it's not a like comparison.

The math here is very simple. You will almost always be better off working than living on benefits.

Ok if you want to be pedantic lets compare like with like. The only problem here is that the average number of children in Ireland per household is between 1 and 2. For the sake of arguement we'll use a single mother with one child on the average full time wage.

Subject 1 - On the average Industrial wage, less deductions for Tax, USC, PRSI etc - Take home pay is roughly €36k. Receives €1,680 in childrens allowance. Take away roughly €1,500 for transport to work and lets say another €150 a week (€7,800 a year) in childcare costs and subject one has a disposable icome of €28,380.

Subject 2 - As we've already discussed, contributes nothing to society. Sits on her a*se all day and has a disposable income of just under €34k!

Loves_lorries · 21-09-2018 01:53PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

If Margaret Cash derives her household income from social welfare, then she earns many thousands of euro less than the average industrial wage.

Everybody on this thread who has been suggesting that the attacks on Margaret Cash and her children are vitriolic, has expressed dismay or alarm about the social problems within the travelling community, including crime stats.

Nobody in their right mind could possibly be blind to those problems, nor ignore the personal responsibility that individual travellers have in addressing them.

The issue here is that some of us do not feel comfortable with some random single mum being harrassed online, and with guys on some internet forum discussing her sex life and even deriding her children.

Don't kid yourself that this is acceptable behaviour. Margaret Cash has said many things that deserve criticism or agreement, depending on one's political outlook. But the derogatory comments about her body, and her children? Come off of it.

People who engage in this kind of disgusting rhetoric are only shooting their argument in the foot, anyway.

Beit in media or academia or whatever opinion various Quango, s hold, every problem and issue within the traveller community is explained away as racism on the part of the general population.

Travellers themselves have no agency at all, I've yet to hear anyone say publically that traveller culture is incompatible with modern life or that even crime is rife within that community.

Sweet.Science · 21-09-2018 01:54PM

Wile E. Coyote wrote: »

Ok if you want to be pedantic lets compare like with like. The only problem here is that the average number of children in Ireland per household is between 1 and 2. For the sake of arguement we'll use a one parent single mother on the average full time wage.

Subject 1 - On the average Industrial wage, less deductions for Tax, USC, PRSI etc - Take home pay is roughly €36k. Receives €1,680 in childrens allowance. Take away roughly €1,500 for transport to work and lets say another €150 a week (€7,800 a year) in childcare costs and subject one has a disposable icome of €28,380.

Subject 2 - As we've already discussed, contributes nothing to society. Sits on her a*se all day and has a disposable income of just under €34k!

you are forgetting mortgage repayments for subject 1 . Let assume she wasnt given a free house

Wile E. Coyote · 21-09-2018 01:58PM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

you are forgetting mortgage repayments for subject 1 . Let assume she wasnt given a free house

I had considered adding that but I decided to keep it simple because then I'd have to deduct medical costs which subject 2 pays for on medical card and possible pension deductions which again subject 2 obviously will never pay and it just gets too complicated.

Wile E. Coyote · 21-09-2018 02:09PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Hang on, shouldn't you be comparing like with like?

I'm in full time employment, and my partner and I are in receipt of child benefit. You're comparing someone on benefits who receives child benefit, with someone who has no children. That's obviously problematic, it's not a like comparison.

The math here is very simple. You will almost always be better off working than living on benefits.

Also, just to add, it takes the entire Tax, PRSI and USC contributions of 3 adult employees just to support the cash in hand that she receives annually before you include rent, medical card etc etc. If you don't see an issue with that then there's nothing more that can be said and no one in here is ever going to make you see sense.

Dannyriver · 21-09-2018 02:11PM

Skelet0n wrote: »

So you think everyone here is a 1%er?

I don’t have an accountant, wish I could get a write off though.

Besides you ll never find a 1%er on a thread like this. As long as the middle look down for their scapegoat rather than up they [1%ers]are delighted , that s why Trump/Bush/Clinton are a godsend for the elite class in the US. Trump in particular because he outright blames the most disenfranchised for the woes of the middle, where as Clinton et al pretended they gave a ****. Trumps too thick or perhaps too honest to cloud his deviousness in faux sincerity. Take your pick.

Paulzx · 21-09-2018 02:32PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

The math here is very simple. You will almost always be better off working than living on benefits.

You're making the assumption here that all individuals actually "want" to work.

Everyones aspirations are different. Most of us want to acheive more in life and for our kids than will be provided by welfare.

Others, through bad luck, ill health etc. need the welfare state to fall back on.

The other cohort are quite happy to live and draw off the welfare state for their whole existance. They have no aspiration beyond this. This is where the problem is

Dannyriver · 21-09-2018 03:01PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

If Margaret Cash derives her household income from social welfare, then she earns many thousands of euro less than the average industrial wage.

Everybody on this thread who has been suggesting that the attacks on Margaret Cash and her children are vitriolic, has expressed dismay or alarm about the social problems within the travelling community, including crime stats.

Nobody in their right mind could possibly be blind to those problems, nor ignore the personal responsibility that individual travellers have in addressing them.

The issue here is that some of us do not feel comfortable with some random single mum being harrassed online, and with guys on some internet forum discussing her sex life and even deriding her children.

Don't kid yourself that this is acceptable behaviour. Margaret Cash has said many things that deserve criticism or agreement, depending on one's political outlook. But the derogatory comments about her body, and her children? Come off of it.

People who engage in this kind of disgusting rhetoric are only shooting their argument in the foot, anyway.

This

PlaneSpeeking · 21-09-2018 03:08PM

Dannyriver wrote: »

This

Harassed ffs!!!

Heard it all now, perhaps she should get up off her lazy arse and contribute SOMETHING for all she takes eh.

Ever contemplated that as an idea ?

Deebles McBeebles · 21-09-2018 03:20PM

Dannyriver wrote: »

This

Cry me a Dannyriver.

21-09-2018 03:37PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Harassed ffs!!!

Heard it all now, perhaps she should get up off her lazy arse and contribute SOMETHING for all she takes eh.

Ever contemplated that as an idea ?

Realistically what can she do at this stage?

Who would employ her? In the unlikely event of her getting a job, who would pay for the childcare? (Please don’t say the taxpayers)

Some of the language used when discussing her is unpleasant and demeans the poster.

No doubt that will lead to me being called a bleeding heart. Rather that than demean myself or the topic in discussion.

PlaneSpeeking · 21-09-2018 03:40PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Realistically what can she do at this stage?

Who would employ her? In the unlikely event of her getting a job, who would pay for the childcare? (Please don’t say the taxpayers)

Some of the language used when discussing her is unpleasant and demeans the poster.

No doubt that will lead to me being called a bleeding heart. Rather that than demean myself or the topic in discussion.

There's always ****e needs picking up or wiping.

Alrigghtythen · 21-09-2018 03:49PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Realistically what can she do at this stage?

Who would employ her? In the unlikely event of her getting a job, who would pay for the childcare? (Please don’t say the taxpayers)

Some of the language used when discussing her is unpleasant and demeans the poster.

No doubt that will lead to me being called a bleeding heart. Rather that than demean myself or the topic in discussion.

Why wouldn't people employer her?

Thatnastyboy · 21-09-2018 03:57PM

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

Why wouldn't people employer her?

My guess would be the constant overhanging threat of litigation

freshpopcorn · 21-09-2018 04:02PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Realistically what can she do at this stage?

Who would employ her? In the unlikely event of her getting a job, who would pay for the childcare? (Please don’t say the taxpayers)

Some of the language used when discussing her is unpleasant and demeans the poster.

No doubt that will lead to me being called a bleeding heart. Rather that than demean myself or the topic in discussion.

I think people's issue is that they are certain media outlets who won't call her out on behavior and if anybody calls her out on it online they are called a troll.
If somebody says why did you continue to have children even tough you knew you you were struggling. You get an answer along the lines of You don't know her circumstances or she might have being able to afford them one day.
People are angry because they feel she is taking advantage of the system. Having to be housed in Dublin for example.
She wants a home for her children but she has no real answer about how the state is going to pay for it and she gets cheered on for this.
You have to wonder what kind of example is this setting for her children and those in similar positions.

BattleCorp · 21-09-2018 04:10PM

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

Why wouldn't people employer her?

Ms. Cash's standard of English would probably qualify her for a job as a journalist with The Journal.

Jimmy. · 21-09-2018 04:11PM

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

Why wouldn't people employer her?

She would be constantly on maternity leave.

DavidLyons_ · 21-09-2018 04:38PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Dannyriver wrote: »

This

Harassed ffs!!!

Heard it all now, perhaps she should get up off her lazy arse and contribute SOMETHING for all she takes eh.

Ever contemplated that as an idea ?

Have you ever seen that poster’s contributions to the Blindboy thread? He hasn’t a fcuking clue. A half-wit best put on ignore.

ShaneC93 · 21-09-2018 04:40PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Realistically what can she do at this stage?

Who would employ her? In the unlikely event of her getting a job, who would pay for the childcare? (Please don’t say the taxpayers)

Work remote / from-home for a few hours a day while most of her kids are at school. There's always tons of companies looking for remote workers, especially customer service reps - Apple being one of them (and a good paying one at that, €12-14 / hour starting, they even provide the iMac/gear needed for the role) with very flexible / choose your own hours.

If she can afford to spend hours a day on Facebook and bringing her two non-schoolage kids to protests etc. then she has enough time to take up some part-time work too.

Dannyriver · 21-09-2018 04:44PM

DavidLyons_ wrote: »

Have you ever seen that poster’s contributions to the Blindboy thread? He hasn’t a fcuking clue. A half-wit best put on ignore.

Cheers David, after taking a cursory look at some of your posts on here, I'll take that as a big compliment.

Dannyriver · 21-09-2018 04:47PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

If Margaret Cash derives her household income from social welfare, then she earns many thousands of euro less than the average industrial wage.

Everybody on this thread who has been suggesting that the attacks on Margaret Cash and her children are vitriolic, has expressed dismay or alarm about the social problems within the travelling community, including crime stats.

Nobody in their right mind could possibly be blind to those problems, nor ignore the personal responsibility that individual travellers have in addressing them.

The issue here is that some of us do not feel comfortable with some random single mum being harrassed online, and with guys on some internet forum discussing her sex life and even deriding her children.

Don't kid yourself that this is acceptable behaviour. Margaret Cash has said many things that deserve criticism or agreement, depending on one's political outlook. But the derogatory comments about her body, and her children? Come off of it.

People who engage in this kind of disgusting rhetoric are only shooting their argument in the foot, anyway.

And this

DavidLyons_ · 21-09-2018 04:52PM

Dannyriver wrote: »

DavidLyons_ wrote: »

Have you ever seen that poster’s contributions to the Blindboy thread? He hasn’t a fcuking clue. A half-wit best put on ignore.

Cheers David, after taking a cursory look at some of your posts on here, I'll take that as a big compliment.

To you it probably is a compliment. So you’re welcome!

Dannyriver · 21-09-2018 04:52PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Realistically what can she do at this stage?

Who would employ her? In the unlikely event of her getting a job, who would pay for the childcare? (Please don’t say the taxpayers)

Some of the language used when discussing her is unpleasant and demeans the poster.

No doubt that will lead to me being called a bleeding heart. Rather that than demean myself or the topic in discussion.

Or worse, in situations such as this you re either with the mob , or you re as detestable as the target of the mob.

Wile E. Coyote · 21-09-2018 05:04PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Realistically what can she do at this stage?

Well to start with she make sure number 8 doesn't pop out anytime soon.

Other than there's probably very little she can do at the minute but there's no reason for her to be lauded and praised in the manner that some are doing. She's not a pilar of the community standing up for the little guy. She's not someone that young girls should be looking up to. She stands for the sickening entitlement culture in this country that kids growing up should be encouraged to avoid. The choice to live a welfare lifestyle and then flaunt it on scial media should be stamped out. I've no issue with people who are genuinely in need but people like her milk it for all it's worth and then run with hands out demanding more!

Family of seven sleep in Garda station Mod note post one

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