Sherlock - A game of Werewolf!

You guys are gonna think im crazy.

| Name|Did FFA D1| Voted within FFA D2| Random early D1 vote, late wagony top vote |In top 2 voted for D2 |Reaction to Winis reveal| Silent for Winis reveal |In top 2 voted for D3| Put me in FFA (Wagoning) D3| Voted for me or Liam instead of Steve |Voted within their own FFA| Asked to get message from Wini| Around to ask to get message from Wini| Low posters club D3| Pocket attempts on me D3 |Posting today| Overall helpfullness vs contrived helpfullness | Total |
|Steve| -10| -10| -10| -10| 0| -10| -10| -10| -10| 10| -10| -10| -10 |10| -10| -10| -110|
|Isla| -10| -10| -10| -10| 0 |-10| 10| 10| 10| 10| -10| -10| -10| -10| -10| -10| -70|
|Nigel| -10| -10| -10| -10| 10| 10| -10| -10| 10| 10| -10| -10| -10| 10| 10| 20| -10|

Wini has the power to pass notes.
Wini and Connor claims they both got the pills.
Wini shows as an NRV, which means we presume she was Irene.
But could Irene get notes to pass?
And then where does Eurus come into play. She's JUST a parity vote?

And Wini could pass notes lynch to lynch; the SK powers were munch to munch.

Wini showing as an NRV doesn't seem to fit with what we presumed the power distribution was though.

Gabriel WW wrote: »

The lower the score (more minus the score) the more i want to vote for that person.

So translation is your kinda working FFA is those three and you currently planning to vote Steve?

Abigail WW wrote:

So translation is your kinda working FFA is those three and you currently planning to vote Steve?

Don't think I'd FFA Nigel.

Would go Orla over nigel.

Gabriel WW wrote: »

In fact, Abi; id vote for you over Nigel.

umm not sure quite how to take that apart from that you like Nigel and maybe want to poke me for a reaction. Doing up three people in a chart with regards their dodgyness to me read as an FFA with Steve your clear winner anyway.



Currently I am looking at Steve, Riona & maybe Isla (probably). Eva & Then Orla would probably round out a top 5. Most of the people I had the strongest reasoning to be on are now gone though. A post like this makes me naturally want to look more into yourself but thus far I had you on the good side.

Quiet day.

Afternoon village.

So, none of you picked up this little series last night?

Eva wrote:

Guys I'm awake 32+ hours now. Not your fault I know, but a reality which means me going to bed now and hopefully sleeping for at least 12 hours.

When I eventually rise tomorrow, I really need to get some RL stuff done which has fallen badly by the wayside since Andy Mourinho PMed me on Monday to call me up to the WW first 11.

This is fun and intense, but I need to draw a line. So I will likely not be around this side of RL lunch-time tomorrow. If I survive any and all surprises this game has to throw in the meantime, I will be back with contributions.

Good night, you absolute crazy ****s

Steve's below accusation doesn't bother me, but the tactic does. What a thing to come in and say after the poster states that they won't be around to respond for at least 12 hours...

Steve wrote:

I feel like you're trying to pocket the whole village.

No reason, just a feeling he has. Shade-throwing level: God


Ok, throw shade, but wtf were these two following posts? Bear in mind, I didn't respond to his first post.

Steve wrote:

That's done now Eva. Will report back in the morning.

Steve wrote:

Well

Those two posts, following the one about me pocketing, without any response from me. I'd like to know what those posts were about. Also, I'm really surprised no one else in the village picked that up.


I've been suspicious of Steve as a possible low lying wolf...

Eva FFA2 wrote:

Steve/Isla - Isla is at least here contributing. Her and Steve are two whose absence have concerned me though. At this point on Day 3, it is time to start considering the prospect of a low-lying wolf coasting by.

But, there was just one thing making me think that he couldn't be a wolf...

Eva wrote:

Steve - Has not been around and should be my number 1 suspicion out of these names cause of that. However, I can't get by the fact that he drew lots of attention to Doris, and after looking back over her posts myself today, I have to agree she was wolfy. So Steve may have gone after a wolf, I have to take that into consideration with him.

Steve brought attention to someone who I thought was wolfy myself. Me thinking that Doris could be a wolf, there would no way Steve would interact with a fellow wolf by quoting all of their posts in the thread...

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=108118020&postcount=1636

Yeah, throw shade, cover your wolfy tracks, but surely not that loud of a post.


So, Doris being a possible wolf was keeping me happy that Steve wasn't one.

Then, today...

Conor reveals wrote:

Doris WW - was roled. Same as Des.

Well maybe I'm foolish, but I happen to take Conor's reveal in faith. So Doris can't be a wolf. I go back to look at what Steve wrote about her in that long post...

Steve wrote:

This is Doris' contribution. It is the very ultimate definition of fluff. Posts nothing questions, salutations, basic statements etc. builds up a nice middle of the road post count, not memorable - to me this is the definition of solid, if unremarkable, wolf play.

I'd argue that Steve could write the exact same about himself now. He said a couple of nights ago that he needed to catch up on his detective work, and was going to "explore by player". So he did a few of these multi-quote posts with various players' complete contributions to the game with a loose summation from Steve at the end. They and that 'effort' have disappeared since though.

I buy Conor's reveal - Unfortunately Sherlock is gone and some powerful RVs too, so I have no fear now of going hard into low posters. None of them are lying low to come out and save the village, they are lying low to save the den. Posting low on its own is one thing, but I feel all of the above demonstrates some very shady behaviour from Steve.

Final thing - That long post of Doris'. Another person Steve made a multi-quote post of is Liam. Liam has been revealed by our Priest to be NRV. Wini (the ****ing bitch :mad:) was Irene, therefore all of our other Priest NRV reveals were actually real NRVs. So that is two villagers in Doris and Liam that Steve put the multi-quote effort into before he stopped the format. No, that alone doesn't make him a wolf, but coupled with a few other things is starting to paint a grim picture.

Village, there might be other wolves out there, but I feel very much that Steve is our low-lying wolf.

Gabriel WW wrote: »

Quiet day.

I think a lot of people are worn out. I 've not posted as much as the top few (im in the Europa league places) but I've been checking this thread at all sorts of irregular hours even when not posting and not doing much else despite having a full time job and wife and despite doing all this im still not sure on who is who, it's draining. I miss task filled games where you would catch someone screwing up trying to include some really obvious theme related keyword in a post as a typo or some such.


Maybe it'll pick up after work hours

Orla WW wrote: »

Talk me through this, Gabs. I see the reasoning in the headers but the actual conclusions are unclear.

Nigel gets a 20 at the end?

Sorry, I'm gonna be pretty in and out until 5 or 6, babysitting

Yeah i made it for my own process really. So basically look at the header and if the person below did whatever the positive thing to do for that action, they get +10, if they did whatever the negative option was with regards to the header, they get -10. Nigel gets +20 at the end because i gave each of them a tick for posts i thought were helpful without being forced or contrived as i was going through the analysis. Nigel had the most ticks.

Riona WW wrote: »

If Winnie was bad, are we happy that the only way she could peak good is if she is Irene ? Is there any other bad role that can peak good or power that would skewer our priest?

If we are happy that only Irene can peak good then Winnie is either Irene or Good. If she is good why would Conor have her down as plain old NRV? She claimed a very specific role, this was why I had doubts about Conor.

If we are saying she was bad and we believe Conors NRV reveal then she was somehow passing notes and able to peak clear when out of the wolf den.


If she is bad then the wolves would of had to of done one of two things I can think of:

1. Send her away immediately and Make up a list of codewords from the start for her to use on thread (like her bagel note for me). But this doesn't work for me at all. She didn't use the codeword for me until after I had received the note. Unless they picked a load of names from the start (why would they do that?) she would have no way of knowing who they picked.

2. More likely would be that they Sent her away just before/after Eva or Gabriel notes or when Clodagh started going after her. Me and Orla (presuming Orla is also Villager) were already sort of semi pocketed.

- One wolf play could of been to pass a note to Eva (who is a wolf) the morning after Eva got saved by Doris Lynch , to protect her from another lynch mob (as Clodagh was the Vig who went in hard on Eva). Then Eva stops Clodagh from killing Winnie, claims the notes which is backed up by Orla/Me (villagers) . . And Clodagh gets killed after targeting Eva and Winnie hard

- Another wolf play is that choosing Eva (nearly killed night before) was an easy villager who would defend her as desperate as she did because Eva was just happy somebody supported her.

More experienced players may be able to work out if they were wolves, would they keep a Winnie in the backroom for as long as possible or let her go quickly into the mix ?

It seems like a very coordinated plan if Winnie was bad and only had a note passing power . . In short use two different wolf powers to compliment each other seems like a difficult play in any scenario I can work out . . It also means not letting Irene leave the BR for a few days which effectively means they would mean Wini wouldn't use her power and leave BR until she is targeted .

Other scenario is that Wini wasnt sent away until the morning you were sent a message and the message to Orla never happened.

Abigail WW wrote: »

I think a lot of people are worn out. I 've not posted as much as the top few (im in the Europa league places) but I've been checking this thread at all sorts of irregular hours even when not posting and not doing much else despite having a full time job and wife and despite doing all this im still not sure on who is who, it's draining. I miss task filled games where you would catch someone screwing up trying to include some really obvious theme related keyword in a post as a typo or some such.


Maybe it'll pick up after work hours

Could be. Ah its not the worst thing its happening now. Wonder what the speed day plan is.

Gabriel WW wrote: »

Other scenario is that Wini wasnt sent away until the morning you were sent a message and the message to Orla never happened.

In that scenario I could also be bad . .

But if a wolf power was passing notes to pocket villagers, when would you start bringing wolves in on that play ? I dont see the benefit early doors as surely you want to build up a village core to defend you like what happened when Wini came out. Would you not choose villagers early, not munch them and then you can throw some wolves in later when needed or none at all ? You don't need wolves to defend you, you can just use Villagers as a human shield . .

I cant work out a reasonable way Winnie was bad and left the den on day 1 or 2 and was able to communicate about the message back to the den.

This actually annoyed me

Winifred WW wrote: »

Riona WW wrote: »

That exactly what they doing, Riona. Have a bagel. Don't let this shuffling dance by Orla and Gab change your mind.

This was while I was arguing with Clodagh and Gabriel on thread. They were making out I was trying to tell somebody to come out (I really wasn't). Its also while I was getting confused because remember I was trying to juggle what I felt about Winnie (wasn't sure) with arguing with you guys.

Winnie said the Bagel code again because she thought I hadn't seen her earlier one. I hadn't awknowledged her and she obviously felt she needed me to see her message again. .

I confirmed I saw her note by quoting above message and saying

Riona WW wrote: »

Two eggs and some salmon all the way. Pre gym protein Wini.

Might go for a Jog, don’t want another “philgate”..... :pac:

Interesting that Derry "liked" that note even though he hasn't exactly enjoyed my banter this game . .

And then later Winnie posted

Winifred WW wrote: »

Finally, someone with sence in this village!

Let's kill Desmond, he's the smart wolf.

Riona, you up for killing Desmond?

In response to a post from Eva (click on link to see Eva pick Orla, Des and Abi). .

Why didn't she also try and get Orla on board with her ? Why was I the only person on her notes list who she was actively trying to engage on thread ? Because I was arguing with Dessie and she thought I was easiest to manipulate ?

If she was good why didn't she also try and rally Orla ?

Guys...any thoughts on my post above?

I have a strong feeling here.

Eva WW wrote: »

Guys...any thoughts on my post above?

I have a strong feeling here.

What's your feeling ?

Eva WW wrote: »

Guys...any thoughts on my post above?

I have a strong feeling here.

I dont necessarily agree with your reasoning, but i had him in as my target anyway.

Your point essentially boils down to him targeting Doris with his analysis?

Also . . Are we all agreed that Jeff cant have a power tomorrow ?

Wini and Brendan both claimed that Jeff gave them some pill or poison and it failed . . So there should only be one wolf kill tomorrow . .

Eva WW wrote: »

Guys...any thoughts on my post above?

I have a strong feeling here.

adds feul to the fire. Don't like piggy backing on someone elses work but him drawing lots of attention on people who turn out to be actual NRVs (considering I believe Wini was Irene) does add to the reasons I was suspicious of him (he was second on my FFA yesterday, although that was not focusing on the 4 messaged people). I would imagine the throwing shade bit would stand out to you far more than anyone else though considering it happened to you.