The Frederick St protest and reaction

_Brian · 19-09-2018 08:41AM

john4321 wrote: »

Ill just leave this here.

https://www.facebook.com/100007227857780/videos/2153182491599325/

Rapidly becoming the poster girl for the serial unemployed self entitled numbers in this country who feel everyone else owes them a free pass on life. The media are enabling them to come out from under their rocks and feel that their life’s choices should be accepted as mainstream and normal.

She had a string of kids with no plan on how she would care or provide for them, why not follow the father/fathers for their care. But no, they somehow found something louder than her own mouth and stuck her outside the dail to insist she is entitled to more free stuff, and none of that second rate free stuff - she’s entitled to the best of everything.

Brendan Bendar · 19-09-2018 08:56AM

_Brian wrote: »

Rapidly becoming the poster girl for the serial unemployed self entitled numbers in this country who feel everyone else owes them a free pass on life. The media are enabling them to come out from under their rocks and feel that their life’s choices should be accepted as mainstream and normal.

She had a string of kids with no plan on how she would care or provide for them, why not follow the father/fathers for their care. But no, they somehow found something louder than her own mouth and stuck her outside the dail to insist she is entitled to more free stuff, and none of that second rate free stuff - she’s entitled to the best of everything.

Don’t worry too much Brian, Middle Ireland has seen through these gamers and won’t give them a free ticket for life whilst struggling to pay for everything themselves.

Won’t happen.

homerjay2005 · 19-09-2018 03:51PM

dav3 wrote: »

I can only give you one piece of advice. If you try to refer to Fine Gael as left-wing in Ireland, nobody will take you seriously. They certainly don't refer to themselves as left-wing and you'd be hard pushed to find any that refer to themselves as liberals .

Fine Gael would be center left. you then have the extreme left lunatics like PBP and those. Labour would be left.

to say however we have right wing politics in this country, is bizzare. we dont, we probably never will as we are one of the most politically correct countries in the world now.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 19-09-2018 04:04PM

What about the Garda who was racially abused?

The true nature always comes out of this type when they get riled.

Alrigghtythen · 19-09-2018 04:07PM

john4321 wrote: »

Ill just leave this here.

https://www.facebook.com/100007227857780/videos/2153182491599325/

Should every one who takes home 65,000/year and under be given a free house, or just her?

Taylor365 · 19-09-2018 07:09PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Don’t worry too much Brian, Middle Ireland has seen through these gamers and won’t give them a free ticket for life whilst struggling to pay for everything themselves.

Won’t happen.

It already has. Think they'll just toss all these loafers on the street?

It's too late.

Everyone for themselves!

Abandon ship!

Edgware · 19-09-2018 07:17PM

blanch152 wrote: »

No, they are not.

https://www.hse.ie/eng/cards-schemes/medical-card/how-to-apply/medical-cards-national-assessment-guidelines.pdf

Read Section 4.6 of the medical card guidelines.

More nonsense.
Harris wants the taxpayer to pay for abortions regardless of how rich the woman is.
But you can join the waiting list for an M.R.I. etc

tayto lover · 19-09-2018 07:59PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Don’t worry too much Brian, Middle Ireland has seen through these gamers and won’t give them a free ticket for life whilst struggling to pay for everything themselves.

Won’t happen.

But it is happening. Workers are paying more taxes now than they did 10 years ago despite having suffered cuts that have not been reversed.
The upcoming budget will not offer any respite either if the rumours are true.

deirdremf · 19-09-2018 08:41PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Some (but not all) of those people who are currently sleeping in doorways on Grafton Street at night did have a roof and four walls to sleep under. Their own behaviour brought them to where they are.

And (in so far as it is true) you are in a position to pass judgement on them for which reason?

There was one well-documented case of someone who ended up on the streets despite inheriting two houses. Simplistic statements like yours don't help.

Seems to me that your own post is rather simplistic - or maybe you feel somehow morally superior to those who sleep in doorways for whatever reasons?

A little empathy for those in poor situations - for whatever reasons - would go a long way.

Brendan Bendar · 19-09-2018 10:30PM

deirdremf wrote: »

And (in so far as it is true) you are in a position to pass judgement on them for which reason?

Seems to me that your own post is rather simplistic - or maybe you feel somehow morally superior to those who sleep in doorways for whatever reasons?

A little empathy for those in poor situations - for whatever reasons - would go a long way.

Empathy for someone who has seven kids and no means of support other than 65k taxpayers money is quite hard to muster, in fairness.

Seth Brundle · 19-09-2018 11:24PM

tayto lover wrote: »

But it is happening. Workers are paying more taxes now than they did 10 years ago despite having suffered cuts that have not been reversed.
The upcoming budget will not offer any respite either if the rumours are true.

...and yet we still borrow billions each year to keep our national lifestyle going.

Ha Long Bay · 20-09-2018 01:53AM

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

Should every one who takes home 65,000/year and under be given a free house, or just her?

I think when she gets her forever home (thanks Ms Fleming for that phrase) she won't be too concerned about everyone else.

She was very quick to switch the content of here FB page from showing how she was spending tax payers money to the government are doing nothing. I might be wrong but do wonder is she being coached in social media after the publicity stunt.

deirdremf · 20-09-2018 10:20AM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Empathy for someone who has seven kids and no means of support other than 65k taxpayers money is quite hard to muster, in fairness.

It certainly is when you lack empathy for starters.
Have you never wondered what it is like to be a woman in a section of society where your life choices are very limited, and you are expected to get married at a very young age and bear children.

Don't come over all high and mighty about this, as this was also the lot of many women from well-off middle class families just a generation or two ago.

DChancer · 20-09-2018 10:53AM

deirdremf wrote: »

It certainly is when you lack empathy for starters.
Have you never wondered what it is like to be a woman in a section of society where your life choices are very limited, and you are expected to get married at a very young age and bear children.

Don't come over all high and mighty about this, as this was also the lot of many women from well-off middle class families just a generation or two ago.

Any chance you could have some empathy for the poor sods like me who paying for her lifestyle choices?
Time to put an absolute cap on the amount of money and or free services any person or family can get from the state.
No family should get more in goods/services/ money from the taxpayer than the average industrial wage!

BBFAN · 20-09-2018 10:56AM

DChancer wrote: »

Any chance you could have some empathy for the poor sods like me who paying for her lifestyle choices?
Time to put an absolute cap on the amount of money and or free services any person or family can get from the state.
No family should get more in goods/services/ money from the taxpayer than the average industrial wage!

How much tax a week do you pay?

DChancer · 20-09-2018 11:16AM

BBFAN wrote: »

How much tax a week do you pay?

Too much!
But between Tax PRSI and USC I pay a 5 figure sum each year, of course I have to pay for my own home, Health Cover and everything else as well as paying for scroungers who think they have a born entitlement to everything for free!:mad::mad:

BBFAN · 20-09-2018 12:24PM

DChancer wrote: »

Too much!
But between Tax PRSI and USC I pay a 5 figure sum each year, of course I have to pay for my own home, Health Cover and everything else as well as paying for scroungers who think they have a born entitlement to everything for free!:mad::mad:

So you're not paying for someone else's lifestyle then as some claim here that it cost 50-60k a year. I'm sure you're certainly not paying that much.

Not to mention what you get back from the system.

People are unbelievably arrogant or ill informed if they for a minute think that all the tax you paid is going to pay scroungers.

I'm not denying there are scroungers, I'm just saying it's not what the majority of your taxes are going on so you need to get some perspective.

Yeah_Right · 20-09-2018 12:25PM

BBFAN wrote: »

How much tax a week do you pay?

Between my fiance and I, nearly 2 grand. And what do we get for it? 3 fifths of sweet **** all.

And that doesn't include what we contribute through VAT as well.

BBFAN · 20-09-2018 12:28PM

:rolleyes:

Yeah_Right wrote: »

Between my fiance and I, nearly 2 grand. And what do we get for it? 3 fifths of sweet **** all.

And that doesn't include what we contribute through VAT as well.

A week? Yeah right. :rolleyes:

PlaneSpeeking · 20-09-2018 12:38PM

BBFAN wrote: »

So you're not paying for someone else's lifestyle then as some claim here that it cost 50-60k a year. I'm sure you're certainly not paying that much.

Not to mention what you get back from the system.

People are unbelievably arrogant or ill informed if they for a minute think that all the tax you paid is going to pay scroungers.

I'm not denying there are scroungers, I'm just saying it's not what the majority of your taxes are going on so you need to get some perspective.

Worth taking you off ignore to reply to that absolute guff.

Last year the difference between my take home pay and gross salary was E9,400.

I received zero from the State. Nada, nothing, not a f**king cent.

You may not know what you are talking about - that is clear.

Others do.

BBFAN · 20-09-2018 12:40PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Worth taking you off ignore to reply to that absolute guff.

Last year the difference between my take home pay and gross salary was E9,400.

I received zero from the State. Nada, nothing, not a f**king cent.

You may not know what you are talking about - that is clear.

Others do.

I think it's best for your blood pressure if you leave me on ignore love.

Deebles McBeebles · 20-09-2018 12:40PM

BBFAN wrote: »

:rolleyes:

A week? Yeah right. :rolleyes:

Why is that so unbelievable and worthy of an eye roll?

PlaneSpeeking · 20-09-2018 12:42PM

BBFAN wrote: »

I think it's best for your blood pressure if you leave me on ignore love.

I think it's best you don't try to ever claim again that your responses are intellectual.

BBFAN · 20-09-2018 12:47PM

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Why is that so unbelievable and worthy of an eye roll?

Because I'm not an idiot and know how much gross you'd need to be earning to pay anything like 2k a week. It's approximately 225k a year.

The eyeroll is because it's either a blatant lie or you are earning that type of money between you. If you are you've very little to worry about in life and really have no right to be ranting.

BBFAN · 20-09-2018 12:48PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

I think it's best you don't try to ever claim again that your responses are intellectual.

When have I ever claimed to be an intellectual? Are you just afraid of coherent sentences?

blanch152 · 20-09-2018 12:49PM

Deleted User wrote: »

“Medical cards are given to people with low incomes and to some people who qualify on other grounds. It entitles you to a range of health services free of charge. These include GP (family doctor) services, certain prescribed drugs, and public hospital services. PMedical cards are given to people with low incomes and to some people who qualify on other grounds. It entitles you to a range of health services free of charge. These include GP (family doctor) services, certain prescribed drugs, and public hospital services. People aged over 70 can apply for a medical card that has higher income limits than apply to people aged under 70. See Page 9. http://www.citizensinformationboard.ie/downloads/guides/Guide_to_entitlements_for_over_sixties_2018.pdf

That is just the citizens information website.

When you go into the detailed criteria, and examine the small print, anyone can get a medical card, if the HSE wants to give it to them.

blanch152 · 20-09-2018 12:53PM

deirdremf wrote: »

And (in so far as it is true) you are in a position to pass judgement on them for which reason?

Seems to me that your own post is rather simplistic - or maybe you feel somehow morally superior to those who sleep in doorways for whatever reasons?

A little empathy for those in poor situations - for whatever reasons - would go a long way.

I am sorry, but there are cases of people who are homeless having been evicted several times for criminal behaviour including damage and assault.

Do I have much sympathy for them? No.

You can only help an alcoholic if they want to help themselves. For quite a few of the homeless, they fall into the same category that you cannot help them unless they take the first few steps.

Yeah_Right · 20-09-2018 01:16PM

BBFAN wrote: »

Because I'm not an idiot and know how much gross you'd need to be earning to pay anything like 2k a week. It's approximately 225k a year.

The eyeroll is because it's either a blatant lie or you are earning that type of money between you. If you are you've very little to worry about in life and really have no right to be ranting.

Between 2 people. And half of what we earn goes to the State. Yes we're comfortable but we work hard for that. And what do we get back? Yet there are people in this country who think that what I give to the State should be given to them while they're contributing nothing.

PlaneSpeeking · 20-09-2018 01:18PM

Yeah_Right wrote: »

Between 2 people. And half of what we earn goes to the State. Yes we're comfortable but we work hard for that. And what do we get back? Yet there are people in this country who think that what I give to the State should be given to them while they're contributing nothing.

Yeah heaven forbid we actually get on in life with no help eh ?

Good on you both.

Carlos Orange · 20-09-2018 01:22PM

deirdremf wrote: »

Don't come over all high and mighty about this, as this was also the lot of many women from well-off middle class families just a generation or two ago.

How many women from well off middle class families were having 6 kids and totally supported by the state?

The Frederick St protest and reaction

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