NBP: National Broadband Plan Announced

adocholiday · 18-09-2018 07:43PM

So what's the general consensus here? More positive than expected? Or too early to really call? Great news for rural broadband on the surface it seems.

fergus1001 · 18-09-2018 07:46PM

adocholiday wrote:

So what's the general consensus here? More positive than expected? Or too early to really call? Great news for rural broadband on the surface it seems.

cautiously optimistic deni wouldn't have come out in the dail saying what he did if he was not confident that it could be rubber stamped, if he pulls it off I'll move up to roscommon to give him a vote

irishfeen · 18-09-2018 07:46PM

adocholiday wrote: »

So what's the general consensus here? More positive than expected? Or too early to really call? Great news for rural broadband on the surface it seems.

Until the final contract is signed I wont celebrate but please god this is finally it for rural Ireland.

fergus1001 · 18-09-2018 07:47PM

fergus1001 wrote:

for political reasons i would expect that denis will rock up to the ploughing match with a piece of paper in his hand which promises broadband for all in our time

I love being sort of right

ED E · 18-09-2018 07:48PM

KOR101 wrote: »

Thoughts now?

Siteserv.

KOR101 · 18-09-2018 07:54PM

ED E wrote: »

Siteserv.

But that doesn't mean it won't go ahead.

They spend years on a painstaking process, and then in a matter of weeks throw the whole thing up in the air. Desperate stuff if you ask me, but the alternative of going back to the drawing board is still worse.

irishfeen · 18-09-2018 08:09PM

ED E wrote: »

Siteserv.

Not one shít will I give if it is done and done right!!

ED E · 18-09-2018 08:32PM

irishfeen wrote: »

Not one shwill I give if it is done and done right!!

It might be done, done right Im not sure. Wait until Christmas when they announce itll be 60% wireless.

westyIrl · 18-09-2018 08:42PM

ED E wrote: »

It might be done, done right Im not sure. Wait until Christmas when they announce itll be 60% wireless.

I'll leave the country.

Ultimanemo · 18-09-2018 08:44PM

westyIrl wrote: »

I'll leave the country.

Book your ticket

westyIrl · 18-09-2018 08:50PM

Ultimanemo wrote: »

Book your ticket

I do know what you mean. After so many disappointments, delays, muck ups; it would nearly be incomprehensible that it could turn out right for once. If I guessed I'd say you're probably right but sincerely hope you're wrong

Will Goodbody piece sums it up pretty good me thinks;

https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2018/0918/994606-broadband-plan-analysis/

Jim

The Cush · 18-09-2018 09:22PM

Press release from the National Broadband Ireland consortium lead, Granahan McCourt Capital - http://www.granahanmccourt.com/national-broadband-ireland-submits-final-tender-for-delivery-of-the-national-broadband-plan/

Dáil debate today where the announcement was made - https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/debate/dail/2018-09-18/question/43/, https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/debate/dail/2018-09-18/question/44/

tsue921i8wljb3 · 18-09-2018 09:26PM

ED E wrote: »

Maybe so but Naughten keeps saying "Every" when that's an out and out lie.

Granahan McCourt led Consortium presents vision for world-class, Gigabit speed broadband for every home, farm and business in the Intervention Area

http://www.granahanmccourt.com/national-broadband-ireland-submits-final-tender-for-delivery-of-the-national-broadband-plan/

rodge123 · 18-09-2018 09:27PM

The Cush wrote: »

Press release from the National Broadband Ireland consortium lead, Granahan McCourt Capital - http://www.granahanmccourt.com/national-broadband-ireland-submits-final-tender-for-delivery-of-the-national-broadband-plan/

Dáil debate today where the announcement was made - https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/debate/dail/2018-09-18/question/43/, https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/debate/dail/2018-09-18/question/44/

The first paragraph on their home page, aiming for gigabit to every home.

“Granahan McCourt led Consortium presents vision for world-class, Gigabit speed broadband for every home, farm and business in the Intervention Area”

irishfeen · 18-09-2018 09:29PM

rodge123 wrote: »

The first paragraph on their home page, aiming for gigabit to every home.

“Granahan McCourt led Consortium presents vision for world-class, Gigabit speed broadband for every home, farm and business in the Intervention Area”

FTTH to every single house seems a bit far fetched tbh unless the government had specifically told them they will cover the entire cost.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 18-09-2018 09:31PM

irishfeen wrote: »

FTTH to every single house seems a bit far fetched tbh unless the government had specifically told them they will cover the entire cost.

Reading that press release it sounds like that is what they have tendered for.

irishfeen · 18-09-2018 09:33PM

Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: »

Reading that press release it sounds like that is what they have tendered for.

To be honest If it’s to be done right for generations to come then it’s the correct way to go... it would be an astonishing achievement for the country if it happened.

Ultimanemo · 18-09-2018 09:49PM

westyIrl wrote: »

I do know what you mean. After so many disappointments, delays, muck ups; it would nearly be incomprehensible that it could turn out right for once. If I guessed I'd say you're probably right but sincerely hope you're wrong

Will Goodbody piece sums it up pretty good me thinks;

https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2018/0918/994606-broadband-plan-analysis/

Jim

They will drag it for years and use it as much as they could to get them through every election

westyIrl · 18-09-2018 09:55PM

The bidding consortium is proposing a predominantly fibre-to-the-home solution, which will be capable of delivering more than 100 Mbps to premises and up to 1 gigabit for businesses

......the tender was submitted today. I have not had sight of that tender, and nor should I

Denis Naughten in reply to question by Timmy Dooley in the Dáil today. https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/debate/dail/2018-09-18/13/#pq_44 (Thanks to The Cush)

How he knows what they've proposed while not having sight of the tender is beyond me. Not that the sentence makes any sense anyways.

Is there some legal/procedural reason he shouldn't view the tender? I foresee the price being somewhat unpalatable in a many quarters.

Jim

fritzelly · 18-09-2018 10:35PM

So no final commitment to anything, just a tender and a completely changed consortium bidding for it. A bill that is probably gonna be way over what the government initially said they would spend, all the while the HSE expecting another billion to survive.
Call me pessimistic but...I just see this as ending with an excuse that the cost and demands of the bidder being too much for the government at this time.

listermint · 18-09-2018 10:58PM

Well if we want to pay the HSE real wedge we have to drag the entre country kicking into the 21st century. We need an all island thriving location for businesses to setup. That will involve high speed connections and renewables. Only through this can we continue to grow as we have been doing. Investment time is beyond passed.

fergus1001 · 18-09-2018 11:05PM

listermint wrote:

Well if we want to pay the HSE real wedge we have to drag the entre country kicking into the 21st century. We need an all island thriving location for businesses to setup. That will involve high speed connections and renewables. Only through this can we continue to grow as we have been doing. Investment time is beyond passed.

if any government had balls they would fire half of the admin staff in the HSE

if the NBP is shelved at this stage Fine Gael will drop in the polls and Fine Fail will pull the government, it will be signed at any price and to be honest if it is a primerily FTTH solution it will be worth every penny

Standard Toaster · 19-09-2018 12:25AM

I justed wee-weed a bit. Hopefully this gets the green light.

Interested to hear the legal view on the bid not being from enet as lead bidder and how this sits with EU procurement rules for state projects.

KOR101 · 19-09-2018 09:00AM

irishfeen wrote: »

FTTH to every single house seems a bit far fetched tbh unless the government had specifically told them they will cover the entire cost.

The contract is bound to put a lot of the cost risk onto the Government, otherwise no private sector consortium in the world would sign up for it.

And, if we're talking about money €1.5 billion is only €60m per year for 25 years. Peanuts really for what you get.

Johnboy1951 · 19-09-2018 09:08AM

KOR101 wrote: »

The contract is bound to put a lot of the cost risk onto the Government, otherwise no private sector consortium in the world would sign up for it.

And, if we're talking about money €1.5 billion is only €60m per year for 25 years. Peanuts really for what you get.

Having spent that money, what is the situation after 25 years?
Who has ownership of what?
Who has rights to what?
Has any real detail been released about these matters?

This must be part of the 'value for money' calculation.

9726_9726 · 19-09-2018 10:18AM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Having spent that money, what is the situation after 25 years?
Who has ownership of what?
Who has rights to what?
Has any real detail been released about these matters?

This must be part of the 'value for money' calculation.

The consortium will own it. State will not.

Johnboy1951 · 19-09-2018 10:48AM

9726_9726 wrote: »

The consortium will own it. State will not.

That is what I thought ........

There appears to be no solid info available regarding how value for money is achieved for the 1bn+ to be spent.
I could see it if the state had a stake in the infrastructure long term, even if it did not own it outright.

westyIrl · 19-09-2018 10:49AM

9726_9726 wrote: »

The consortium will own it. State will not.

One thing that seriously concerns me about this model is will more funds be required after 25 years to maintain the network. Non-commercially viable etc.

Jim

Johnboy1951 · 19-09-2018 10:50AM

westyIrl wrote: »

One thing that seriously concerns me about this model is will more funds be required after 25 years to maintain the network. Non-commercially viable etc.

Jim

The owners could just abandon parts of it that were not profitable to maintain?

KOR101 · 19-09-2018 10:55AM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

The owners could just abandon parts of it that were not profitable to maintain?

No. There will be a USO by then.

NBP: National Broadband Plan Announced

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