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Jordan Peterson interview on C4

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  • #3662
    WinnyThePoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    Because people are wrongly equating him as a great thinker and someone above criticism. He wants your Euros and Dollars. In that respect he certainly is intelligent.


  • #3663
    backspin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,091 ✭✭✭backspin.


    WinnyThePoo wrote: »
    Because people are wrongly equating him as a great thinker and someone above criticism. He wants your Euros and Dollars. In that respect he certainly is intelligent.

    You know you don't have to listen to him right.

    And who thinks he shouldn't be criticized?

    I notice most of the anti-peterson posters and those thanking their posts are all well known leftists on boards. It can't be the clean your room and stand up straight stuff that has them rattled. It must be something else.. hmmm I wonder what that is?


  • #3664
    WinnyThePoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    backspin. wrote: »
    You know you don't have to listen to him right.

    And who thinks he shouldn't be criticized?

    I notice most of the anti-peterson posters and those thanking their posts are all well known leftists on boards. It can't be the clean your room and stand up straight stuff that has them rattled. It must be something else.. hmmm I wonder what that is?

    Well I can certainly see why your attracted to him. All his bish bosh about the 'left' whatever that means.

    As I said, he selling a certain type of person what they want to hear. He's been incredibly effective at that. I certainly don't think he believes some of the bat**** crazy stuff he comes out with, but his cash cow do and all the power to him.


  • #3665
    backspin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,091 ✭✭✭backspin.


    WinnyThePoo wrote: »
    Well I can certainly see why your attracted to him. All his bish bosh about the 'left' whatever that means.

    As I said, he selling a certain type of person what they want to hear. He's been incredibly effective at that. I certainly don't think he believes some of the bat**** crazy stuff he comes out with, but his cash cow do and all the power to him.

    He freely admits he is thinking out loud at times, I don't think he expects everyone to agree with him. Do you agree with everything you hear from anyone out there i doubt it. Most people listening to Peterson will agree with him on some things and not others.

    But he speaks enough sense and makes some points that really resonate with people. So people are interested.

    I'm still not clear why people like you are do bothered by him though. It can't be concern that the plebs are getting separated from their money by a charlatan. You are clearly threatened by his message and reach.


  • #3666
    WinnyThePoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    Im clearly threatened. Oh lol.

    This is a forum. With numerous subjects.


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  • #3667
    backspin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,091 ✭✭✭backspin.


    WinnyThePoo wrote: »
    Im clearly threatened. Oh lol.

    This is a forum. With numerous subjects.

    Winny go clean your room.


  • #3668
    WinnyThePoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    backspin. wrote: »
    WinnyThePoo wrote: »
    Im clearly threatened. Oh lol.

    This is a forum. With numerous subjects.

    Winny go clean your room.

    Same goes to you :)


  • #3669
    7aubzxk43m2sni
    Closed Accounts Posts: 636 ✭✭✭7aubzxk43m2sni


    WinnyThePoo wrote: »
    Well I can certainly see why your attracted to him. All his bish bosh about the 'left' whatever that means.

    As I said, he selling a certain type of person what they want to hear. He's been incredibly effective at that. I certainly don't think he believes some of the bat**** crazy stuff he comes out with, but his cash cow do and all the power to him.

    What has he said thats batsh1t crazy?


  • #3670
    storker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,723 ✭✭✭storker


    WinnyThePoo wrote: »
    Well I can certainly see why your attracted to him. All his bish bosh about the 'left' whatever that means.

    As I said, he selling a certain type of person what they want to hear. He's been incredibly effective at that. I certainly don't think he believes some of the bat**** crazy stuff he comes out with, but his cash cow do and all the power to him.

    What certain type of person is that and what do they want to hear?

    What does he say about he the left that's er..."bish bosh" (whatever that means) and why?


  • #3671
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,078 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    backspin. wrote: »
    I notice most of the anti-peterson posters and those thanking their posts are all well known leftists on boards. It can't be the clean your room and stand up straight stuff that has them rattled. It must be something else.. hmmm I wonder what that is?

    The clean your room stuff is just bog standard good advice.

    The tricky stuff is boring and impenetrable and I don’t believe for a second that his followers have a clue what he’s on about. I suspect he uses the word salad to convince his followers that he’s fierce clever with all his big words.

    The bit that annoys me is the idea that young people know ‘literally nothing’ and everything is the left’s fault. Even the right wing extremists are the left’s fault. That’s just selling anti-left stuff to people who want to hear anti-left stuff.

    It’s Fox News with big words. Some people seem to find his whole product very entertaining.

    The stuff he’s right about is trivial. The god/Nietzsche stuff is word salad, and the anti left, anti young people stuff is just entertainment for people who already think the left and the young people are doing things wrong.


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  • #3672
    [Deleted User]
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    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    The tricky stuff is boring and impenetrable and I don’t believe for a second that his followers have a clue what he’s on about. I suspect he uses the word salad to convince his followers that he’s fierce clever with all his big words.
    He's a prolific author of academic research in his own field, and has taught at Harvard. He may be arrogant, he may even be a prick, but I don't think he is bluffing on his intelligence.


  • #3673
    WinnyThePoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    storker wrote: »
    What certain type of person is that and what do they want to hear?

    What does he say about he the left that's er..."bish bosh" (whatever that means) and why?

    You don't know what bish bosh means? Well that's just bish bosh.

    Unfortunately due to Peterson instructions I'm stuck cleaning my room , but my advice is watch as much his videos as possible , he should should explain pretty clearly :pac: what the all encompassing left are.

    Then you can follow up by investing in his Patreon and Buy his books. If you like his message, keep buying.


  • #3674
    RandomName2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    WinnyThePoo wrote: »
    You don't know what bish bosh means? Well that's just bish bosh.

    Unfortunately due to Peterson instructions I'm stuck cleaning my room , but my advice is watch as much his videos as possible , he should should explain pretty clearly :pac: what the all encompassing left are.

    Then you can follow up by investing in his Patreon and Buy his books. If you like his message, keep buying.

    The 'left' or 'right' aside, there are those who seem to blindly follow (or 'thank' in the case of boards) anybody who they see as being on the same side as themselves, and attack anyone they see as being an opponent.

    These people seem to argue for the sake of arguing, attempting to score points rather than win arguments, and are likely to get hung up on a minor issue, perhaps even an individual word, in a desperate attempt to show everyone how their side is the correct one.

    You can be pretty much guaranteed that these people are unlikely to discuss larger issues, or use evidence based approaches, as this could destroy their position if they turn out to be wrong, and being right is only ever incidental. That suits them because they see themselves as being overall decent people, looking out for the little guy, so it doesn't really matter in the long-run if their discourse is bottom-feeder rubbish, because in the long run, in their view, they're right.


  • #3675
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »
    I don't think he is bluffing on his intelligence.


    I don't think so either - I just think he is applying it to extracting cash from gullible white dudes instead of his academic studies.


    So if he talks nonsense about lobsters or ants (neither of which are anything to do with his area of study) his intelligence lends this spoofery a gloss.


  • #3676
    storker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,723 ✭✭✭storker


    WinnyThePoo wrote: »
    You don't know what bish bosh means? Well that's just bish bosh.

    Unfortunately due to Peterson instructions I'm stuck cleaning my room , but my advice is watch as much his videos as possible , he should should explain pretty clearly :pac: what the all encompassing left are.

    Then you can follow up by investing in his Patreon and Buy his books. If you like his message, keep buying.

    No answer then. As I suspected.


  • #3677
    WinnyThePoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    storker wrote: »
    No answer then. As I suspected.

    I did answer you.

    You asked what sort of person is that and what do they want to hear?

    I told you to watch as much as much of Peterson and then see if you like what you hear..

    You asked what bish bosh meant. I can't be blamed on your laziness.

    So go ahead and watch his videos. You'll find out plenty about the 'left' from Peterson, though he isn't saying it for himself. He saying it for a particular type of audience.


  • #3678
    backspin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,091 ✭✭✭backspin.


    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    The tricky stuff is boring and impenetrable and I don’t believe for a second that his followers have a clue what he’s on about.

    What so you don't understand it so it must be nonsense and nobody else could possibly understand it.

    Such arrogance.


  • #3679
    backspin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,091 ✭✭✭backspin.


    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    So if he talks nonsense about lobsters or ants (neither of which are anything to do with his area of study) his intelligence lends this spoofery a gloss.

    Do you even know why he referenced lobsters?


  • #3680
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 14,242 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Zubeneschamali wrote: »

    So if he talks nonsense about lobsters or ants (neither of which are anything to do with his area of study) his intelligence lends this spoofery a gloss.
    Is it possible to clear this up for once and for all?

    What exactly is the problem with the reference to hierarchies in lobsters?

    I've seen a lot of mention of this online, and most of the criticism seems not to be based on what Peterson is actually saying.


  • #3681
    Mountainsandh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,705 ✭✭✭Mountainsandh


    backspin. wrote: »
    What so you don't understand it so it must be nonsense and nobody else could possibly understand it.

    Such arrogance.

    I think it's kind of trolling really, a desperate attempt to rile people up.

    El Duderino, it's like anything, if you listen to enough of the word salad, it starts to make sense. It's philosophy, mythology, psychology, and other -ogys combined so yeah, it's not your 12 rules for life.

    He's not an easy lecturer to follow, you have to get used to his fast thinking and branching out style, but the broad ideas and basic concepts are repeated often, and the more you listen the more you recognize. He's very consistent across lectures and conferences, so if he branched something in a lecture once that went over your head, you can be sure that'll be repeated and re-explained some place else.

    You seem to be attempting to put me, and other JP's followers, in a position of defending or proving something always. You seem to look for a sanguine reaction rather than really attempting to understand.

    That's ok, but it means not much discussion can be had really other than :
    "he's full of **** and you're all fools."
    "try and understand what he's at for real".

    I was going to engage in demonstrating the bits I do understand (not all, as I said, far from it) but there is no point really, unless you are genuinely interested in any of it. You're very clearly saying you're not.

    edit : oh, and apologies about the lobsters, it seems to be a great bit of ammunition for people who don't like him so I thought you would have seized that.


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  • #3682
    Mountainsandh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,705 ✭✭✭Mountainsandh


    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »
    Is it possible to clear this up for once and for all?

    What exactly is the problem with the reference to hierarchies in lobsters?

    I've seen a lot of mention of this online, and most of the criticism seems not to be based on what Peterson is actually saying.

    I don't think people who dislike him really attempt to understand the content of what he's saying, so of course the lobsters come in handy as something that can easily be ridiculed.

    JP thinks it demonstrates an amazing continuity between lobsters' neurobiology/psychology and human neurobiology/psychology, opponents think it's too far fetched.


  • #3683
    storker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,723 ✭✭✭storker


    WinnyThePoo wrote: »
    I did answer you.

    You asked what sort of person is that and what do they want to hear?

    I told you to watch as much as much of Peterson and then see if you like what you hear..

    When I asked for the the reason why you dismiss what he says about the left as rubbish. You suggested I watch some of his videos. That's not an answer.
    You asked what bish bosh meant. I can't be blamed on your laziness.

    I was posting on the move. Is that your reason for not knowing what "the left" means?
    So go ahead and watch his videos. You'll find out plenty about the 'left' from Peterson, though he isn't saying it for himself. He saying it for a particular type of audience.

    Again this doesn't answer what I was asking.

    And I have watched some Peterson videos. I wouldn't be a fan, subscriber or even regular viewer and I wouldn't agree with everything he says, but I do think he tends to attract misprepresentations of what he says and shoot-from-the-hip dismissals, so sometimes ask for more detail, as I often do whenever I hear a poorly-put argument about anything.

    The same applies to the "type of person" you have decided likes his output. I know one such type of person, and it's a type I don't like, but since you brought it up, I'd like to hear what you see as being the Jordan-liker-type.


  • #3684
    Akrasia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,280 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    I don't think so either - I just think he is applying it to extracting cash from gullible white dudes instead of his academic studies.


    So if he talks nonsense about lobsters or ants (neither of which are anything to do with his area of study) his intelligence lends this spoofery a gloss.

    If he is as intelligent as he makes himself out to be than his choice of sending out that 'Prager U' climate change denial video on twitter is even more damning. What kind of intellectual would ever dream of promoting anything by 'Prager University' unless they're doing so in the knowledge that it is intended to misinform and preach to a certain audience.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • #3685
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,749 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    backspin. wrote: »
    What so you don't understand it so it must be nonsense and nobody else could possibly understand it.

    Such arrogance.

    I’m a well educated, well read gentleman. I have zero trouble understanding complex subjects, mostly.

    Jordan Peterson’s lectures hurt my brain. There’s very little cohesiveness to them or they’re stupidly simple. There is nothing in between.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #3686
    WinnyThePoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    storker wrote: »
    When I asked for the the reason why you dismiss what he says about the left as rubbish. You suggested I watch some of his videos. That's not an answer.



    I was posting on the move. Is that your reason for not knowing what "the left" means?



    Again this doesn't answer what I was asking.

    And I have watched some Peterson videos. I wouldn't be a fan, subscriber or even regular viewer and I wouldn't agree with everything he says, but I do think he tends to attract misprepresentations of what he says and shoot-from-the-hip dismissals, so sometimes ask for more detail, as I often do whenever I hear a poorly-put argument about anything.

    The same applies to the "type of person" you have decided likes his output. I know one such type of person, and it's a type I don't like, but since you brought it up, I'd like to hear what you see as being the Jordan-liker-type.


    This again. I've answered your questions .

    The answers you are looking for might be behind a paywall.


  • #3687
    WinnyThePoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    Akrasia wrote: »
    If he is as intelligent as he makes himself out to be than his choice of sending out that 'Prager U' climate change denial video on twitter is even more damning. What kind of intellectual would ever dream of promoting anything by 'Prager University' unless they're doing so in the knowledge that it is intended to misinform and preach to a certain audience.

    He knows exactly what he doing. He's looking for more followers. Throw the net out.


  • #3688
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,116 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    Nobody understands postmodernism.


  • #3689
    storker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,723 ✭✭✭storker


    WinnyThePoo wrote: »
    This again. I've answered your questions .

    The answers you are looking for might be behind a paywall.

    You have not even come close. It would be more honest to say that you can't or you won't.

    The last line is one of the more feeble cop-outs I've ever read.

    But I get it...you're not prepared (or able) to give a proper answer, and it's your right to refuse to. At least a refusal would be honest...


  • #3690
    WinnyThePoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    storker wrote: »
    You have not even come close. It would be more honest to say that you can't or you won't.

    The last line is one of the more feeble cop-outs I've ever read.

    But I get it...you're not prepared (or able) to give a proper answer, and it's your right to refuse to. At least a refusal would be honest...

    Really a cop out?. Recommending to look for Peterson output. Why would I put words in Peterson mouth when he can so elegantly talk himself.

    You don't like the answers I gave you. That's perfectly fine. I have answered you though. I've tried to be as precise with my words with you as possible.

    Watch more Peterson videos, that's my tip.


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  • #3691
    storker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,723 ✭✭✭storker


    WinnyThePoo wrote: »
    Really a cop out?.

    Yes, really. I asked you to develop your argument, you responded with ducking and weaving. It's not for me to do research to work out your position.

    Have you ever actually taken part in a debate?


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