Formula 1 2018: General Discussion Thread

GarIT · 14-09-2018 02:53PM

ELM327 wrote: »

It's cash out and away we go.

Just to be clear I have no idea how much Bernie got paid, just made up a number.

Joeface · 14-09-2018 02:55PM

GarIT wrote: »

Just to be clear I have no idea how much Bernie got paid, just made up a number.

I feel you guessed a bit low

eviltimeban · 14-09-2018 02:59PM

strawdog wrote: »

It is shortsighted of F1 to go this way and, if I can see them live i still will watch them live, but I hate to say it, a part of me is thinking I might be better off just watching highlights from next year. Good races with good racing has gotten to be so infrequent in recent years that, never mind spending my money for the privilege of being bored, I'm finding it harder to justify spending a couple of hours of my time at the weekend on them.

I haven't watched one race in full this year. I record them, I watch the build up, the start, first few laps, then I fast forward midway to see what's happened, then generally go to the last few laps, to the end. I rarely watch the podium celebrations either. The interviews are so awkward. And I don't need to see Hamilton spray champagne around.

So highlights might just be better.

pjohnson · 14-09-2018 05:51PM

Harika wrote: »

Wehrlein and Mercedes will end their partnership at the end of the year, what could give way for him to go to torro rosso

https://mobile.twitter.com/MercedesAMGDTM/status/1040579578786398209

Wonder will Ocon move to that "DTM" series Wehrlein was doing with Mercedes this year?

Harika · 14-09-2018 05:54PM

pjohnson wrote: »

Wonder will Ocon move to that "DTM" series Wehrlein was doing with Mercedes this year?

Mercedes will quit the dtm end of 2018

skipper_G · 14-09-2018 05:58PM

pjohnson wrote: »

Wonder will Ocon move to that "DTM" series Wehrlein was doing with Mercedes this year?

No, Mercedes are pulling out of DTM that's why Wehrlein has no seat there.

Harika · 14-09-2018 06:04PM

skipper_G wrote: »

No, Mercedes are pulling out of DTM that's why Wehrlein has no seat there.

No they are cutting ties, and he leaves the Mercedes family. Teams don't want to build up drivers for other teams, that's why that makes sense for him. Ocon on the other side doesn't want to do that and might hope to be placed at Williams, FE or as reserve driver at Mercedes.

GarIT · 14-09-2018 06:20PM

Harika wrote: »

Williams

Ocon implied last week he was out of F1. Toto Wolff said either today or yesterday (published today) that it was "politics and lies" that forced Ocon out of F1. If Ocon's manager is giving interviews on Ocon being out of F1 I'd imagine it's a done deal that he is out.

GarIT · 14-09-2018 06:38PM

Doing a bit more research into it and even more surprising Renault had a deal agreed with Ocon where he would remain a Mercedes driver and then they withdrew it when they signed Ricciardo.

Ocon was in a position a month or two ago where he was trying to decide between Renault and another team, suspected to be McLaren and both withdrew their offers before he decided, if he had of signed one he would be in F1 next year.

pjohnson · 14-09-2018 07:04PM

skipper_G wrote: »

No, Mercedes are pulling out of DTM that's why Wehrlein has no seat there.

Harika wrote: »

Mercedes will quit the dtm end of 2018

Ah okey doke!

Merc tester for the year seems only likely job for Ocon

Burkie1203 · 15-09-2018 08:17AM

GarIT wrote: »

Ocon implied last week he was out of F1. Toto Wolff said either today or yesterday (published today) that it was "politics and lies" that forced Ocon out of F1. If Ocon's manager is giving interviews on Ocon being out of F1 I'd imagine it's a done deal that he is out.

So Wolff is crying because Ocon cant get a seat. Even at the team ran by his own manager.

El_Duderino 09 · 15-09-2018 08:57AM

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/45522628

F1 concepts for 2021 rule changes. They look great. Hopefully they do the job of encouraging closer racing

GarIT · 15-09-2018 10:25AM

I came across something interesting that I'm not sure how many people know about so I'll post it here.

In an emergency if the brake and throttle are fully pressed the car should enter a failsafe mode where the engine is switched off and the brakes are automatically applied with abs and other systems that aren't normally allowed to ensure maximum slowdown.

The FIA report into Jules Bianchi's accident stated that Marussia's breaking system was incompatible with the required safety feature and when Jules attempted the active the safety feature like Maria the year before the car went faster that it would have if just the brake was applied.

Jules applied full throttle in an attempt to active to emergency stop failsafe and instead the car accelerated, he tried to steer away from the recovery vehicle but steering didn't work because his wheels were locked which they wouldn't have been if the falesafe kicked in. The fact he hit the recovery vehicle at all might have been different if the falesafe activated and he would have hit it slower if the failsafe activated.

Jules and Maria's deaths can be at least partially attributed to Marussia cutting corners with required safety features. I used to have a lot of respect for what John Booth and Marussia managed to do on such small a small budget but now I'm disgusted and wondering why they were never charge criminally.

flazio · 15-09-2018 11:07AM

GarIT wrote: »

I came across something interesting that I'm not sure how many people know about so I'll post it here.

In an emergency if the brake and throttle are fully pressed the car should enter a failsafe mode where the engine is switched off and the brakes are automatically applied with abs and other systems that aren't normally allowed to ensure maximum slowdown.

The FIA report into Jules Bianchi's accident stated that Marussia's breaking system was incompatible with the required safety feature and when Jules attempted the active the safety feature like Maria the year before the car went faster that it would have if just the brake was applied.

Jules applied full throttle in an attempt to active to emergency stop failsafe and instead the car accelerated, he tried to steer away from the recovery vehicle but steering didn't work because his wheels were locked which they wouldn't have been if the falesafe kicked in. The fact he hit the recovery vehicle at all might have been different if the falesafe activated and he would have hit it slower if the failsafe activated.

Jules and Maria's deaths can be at least partially attributed to Marussia cutting corners with required safety features. I used to have a lot of respect for what John Booth and Marussia managed to do on such small a small budget but now I'm disgusted and wondering why they were never charge criminally.

You have a link to that report?

GarIT · 15-09-2018 11:13AM

flazio wrote: »

You have a link to that report?

I don't know if the report was made public, there is a summary here https://www.fia.com/news/accident-panel particularly conclusions 7 and 8 are relevant to what I posted.

Rossi IRL · 15-09-2018 01:45PM

I haven't read that report but if what you posted was true, how were they even allowed race?

Surely the FIA tested the safety features of all cars.

mickdw · 15-09-2018 02:06PM

Never mind the teams being criminal, I would suggest whoever came up with such a system should be put in jail. How could anyone think that a good system to activate an emergency brake would be mash the accelerator into the floor. Its no silly, I wouldn't believe it is true apart from seeing it mentioned in report. Shows de vilotta crash in new light
I mean even a small delay in emergency system cutting in would result in a speed increase over normal attempted braking.
Just off the top of my head, I can think of more safe systems and also more intuitive systems. Something like a long pull back on both gear change levers or some such. Really its nuts.....Im going off the road in monsoon conditions trying to keep the car pointing in something like the forward direction, stamping the accelerator into the bulk head is the last thing a driver will want to do even if its known to work as stated.

El_Duderino 09 · 15-09-2018 08:33PM

mickdw wrote: »

Never mind the teams being criminal, I would suggest whoever came up with such a system should be put in jail. How could anyone think that a good system to activate an emergency brake would be mash the accelerator into the floor. Its no silly, I wouldn't believe it is true apart from seeing it mentioned in report. Shows de vilotta crash in new light
I mean even a small delay in emergency system cutting in would result in a speed increase over normal attempted braking.
Just off the top of my head, I can think of more safe systems and also more intuitive systems. Something like a long pull back on both gear change levers or some such. Really its nuts.....Im going off the road in monsoon conditions trying to keep the car pointing in something like the forward direction, stamping the accelerator into the bulk head is the last thing a driver will want to do even if its known to work as stated.

Wouldn’t they just brake first then apply the accelerator? So they’re not accelerating then braking, they’d be braking then accelerating which activates the emergency system.

supremenovice · 15-09-2018 09:25PM

A mini documentary on the little known story that Ayrton Senna tested a Penske Indycar in December 1992, while negotiating his future with McLaren.
A real gem for Senna fans.

Ghost Train · 15-09-2018 09:34PM

Well the report said they weren't sure if it was a factor. I never heard it stated that Bianchi would have intentionally pressed both brake and accelerator expecting it to help. I wouldn't blame the team, the FIA are responsible for the cars legality etc so if it was a major factor in the accident it was a failure of their policing. I think the main issue was still the recovery vehicle on track with the drivers only slowing a minimum amount for the yellow flags. Without the recovery vehicle being there the car would have just hit barrier.

Harika · 16-09-2018 04:50PM

Quick stat - 6 races to go. If Sebastian wins the next 6 and Lewis finishes 2nd in all of them, Seb will win the title by 2 points - 391 to 389. Mercedes and Lewis can manage their aggression going forward in terms of strategy, engine modes, etc.

Inquitus · 16-09-2018 06:25PM

Harika wrote: »

Quick stat - 6 races to go. If Sebastian wins the next 6 and Lewis finishes 2nd in all of them, Seb will win the title by 2 points - 391 to 389. Mercedes and Lewis can manage their aggression going forward in terms of strategy, engine modes, etc.

As I said in the other thread, for Vettel to get back in this he's needs at least one DNF from Hamilton, either a Merc PU blowing up or Hamilton doing a Vettel and taking himself out somehow.

Harika · 16-09-2018 07:44PM

Inquitus wrote: »

As I said in the other thread, for Vettel to get back in this he's needs at least one DNF from Hamilton, either a Merc PU blowing up or Hamilton doing a Vettel and taking himself out somehow.

I think here is his chance as Hamilton doesn't have the control over his ego like e.g prost did. Prost put his ego behind as he knew two second places are better than a win and a dnf. It was a learning process and he lost one or two wdc because of that but when the slower lauda defeated him 1984. 1989 he could not challenge senna for speed but while senna got poles and wins coupled with dnf he outscored him with persistence.

Inquitus · 16-09-2018 07:47PM

Harika wrote: »

I think here is his chance as Hamilton doesn't have the control over his ego like e.g prost did. Prost put his ego behind as he knew two second places are better than a win and a dnf. It was a learning process and he lost one or two wdc because of that but when the slower lauda defeated him 1984. 1989 he could not challenge senna for speed but while senna got poles and wins coupled with dnf he outscored him with persistence.

Indeed, but between Vettel and Hamilton, Hamilton is the one who seems to have his ego in better check!

Faugheen · 16-09-2018 08:57PM

Inquitus wrote: »

Indeed, but between Vettel and Hamilton, Hamilton is the one who seems to have his ego in better check!

I was just going to say.

Martin Brundle made a great point earlier on about Vettel and Hamilton’s radio communications.

Vettel always tries to dictate the strategy from his cockpit, and he always seems to hang his team out to dry when they don’t want to go with him. It says to me that Vettel doesn’t really trust the team, and you could tell it was the same at Red Bull as well.

Hamilton on the other hand absolutely tears into his team if something goes wrong, which people call him a prick and an arsehole for, but his reactions tell me that he puts his full faith in what his team are doing to help him win.

Even today when he was out at the front. He’s telling Bonno that something doesn’t feel right with the rears. Bonno tells him everything looks ok and keep going as you were. A few laps later Hamilton gets the yips again and Bonno mentions that the tyres are a bit cool but it won’t affect wear, putting him completely at ease.

I know today is a shocking example, but Vettel not trusting the team behind him will continue to hold him back. Hamilton knows how to play the long game, Vettel doesn’t.

Gamb!t · 16-09-2018 09:10PM

I wonder will Hamilton be able to beat beat Schumacher's record of 7 world titles?He's more than likely going to win championship number 5 this year.He must be thinking about it and hes only 33 with a strong car,plus hes a good driver.

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 16-09-2018 09:13PM

Gamb!t wrote: »

I wonder will Hamilton be able to beat beat Schumacher's record of 7 world titles?He's more than likely going to win championship number 5 this year.He must be thinking about it and hes only 33 with a strong car,plus hes a good driver.

If he wins this year I reckon he will reel that in. Also he is now on win number 69, 22 shy of Schumacher who got win number 91 aged 37 at China 2006, that one will fall as well unless the Mercedes car falls off a cliff in performance terms.

flazio · 16-09-2018 10:09PM

Where does Lewis stand in terms of components used? I can't recall him taking a grid penalty for an extra power unit which surely he's going to have to do before the year is out.

17-09-2018 01:57AM

Faugheen wrote: »

I was just going to say.

Martin Brundle made a great point earlier on about Vettel and Hamilton’s radio communications.

Vettel always tries to dictate the strategy from his cockpit, and he always seems to hang his team out to dry when they don’t want to go with him. It says to me that Vettel doesn’t really trust the team, and you could tell it was the same at Red Bull as well.

Hamilton on the other hand absolutely tears into his team if something goes wrong, which people call him a prick and an arsehole for, but his reactions tell me that he puts his full faith in what his team are doing to help him win.

Even today when he was out at the front. He’s telling Bonno that something doesn’t feel right with the rears. Bonno tells him everything looks ok and keep going as you were. A few laps later Hamilton gets the yips again and Bonno mentions that the tyres are a bit cool but it won’t affect wear, putting him completely at ease.

I know today is a shocking example, but Vettel not trusting the team behind him will continue to hold him back. Hamilton knows how to play the long game, Vettel doesn’t.

One thing not mentioned there though is that Ferrari are absolutely terrible at strategy and have been for a very long time now.

Anjobe · 17-09-2018 09:52AM

flazio wrote: »

Where does Lewis stand in terms of components used? I can't recall him taking a grid penalty for an extra power unit which surely he's going to have to do before the year is out.

He's taken 3 ICE + TC + MGU-H, same as both Ferraris. IIRC Mercedes delayed the introduction of their spec 3 engine by one race, so his 3rd PU has done one less race than the 2 Ferraris.

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