The Frederick St protest and reaction

RabbleRouser2k · 13-09-2018 04:00AM

It was discussed on Tv3. Ruth Coppinger came on the tv and was clueless. She said 'the only reason this issue is being discussed tonight is because of young people'...

She was paying attention to the Margaret Cash story, right? (Not debating the semantics, mind. I know many people weren't on Cash's side, but it was highlighted as one element of the housing crisis). Or the numerous Prime Time and tv3 documentaries?
This discussions' been going on for a while-Eoghan Murphy just doesn't every appear on tv to discuss it.

the_syco · 13-09-2018 04:18AM

Was 34 Fredrick Street even a house, though? Or was it offices?

I know 41 Belvedere Place was 10 bedsits, and planning permission was given in June 26th.

It seems that making apartments to house people is not what the activists wanted. Or will they call the planning permission being granted about 2 and half months ago a win, somehow?

ChikiChiki · 13-09-2018 04:38AM

Akabusi wrote: »

God we really have a lot of stupid wasters in this country who think they are entitled to everything without contributing anything. Stupid is a strong word but they hold Murphy and Coppinger up as some sort of crusaders, fools the lot of ye, they are playing you, jumping on any populist situation that keeps them in a great job. Get a job, contribute and make this country better, oh wait it’s an unjust society, house prices are too high, we can’t afford to rent, well try moving to somewhere that you can, if the country is that bad then leave, you have the whole of the EU to chose from. I am glad the majority of the country are hard working people that uphold the law, just a pity they don’t come down harder on the wasters.

I don't think your ire should be directed at the protesters. Do you think we good good value for what we put into the tax system?

I certainly don't. The money is being wasted but sure look at the wasters occupying a property. The story will be off the pages in a few days.

Divide and conquer is working anyway in 2018 Ireland.

NIMAN · 13-09-2018 04:45AM

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

It was discussed on Tv3. Ruth Coppinger came on the tv and was clueless. She said 'the only reason this issue is being discussed tonight is because of young people'...

She was paying attention to the Margaret Cash story, right? (Not debating the semantics, mind. I know many people weren't on Cash's side, but it was highlighted as one element of the housing crisis). Or the numerous Prime Time and tv3 documentaries?
This discussions' been going on for a while-Eoghan Murphy just doesn't every appear on tv to discuss it.

To be honest, most subjects RC comes on TV to chat about, she is clueless.

AlekSmart · 13-09-2018 06:29AM

the_syco wrote: »

Was 34 Fredrick Street even a house, though? Or was it offices?

I know 41 Belvedere Place was 10 bedsits, and planning permission was given in June 26th.

It seems that making apartments to house people is not what the activists wanted. Or will they call the planning permission being granted about 2 and half months ago a win, somehow?

AFAIR 34 was a Dentist Surgery and offices,with the owner seeking approval for a Guest House.
It's not long vacant either,and does'nt fit the bill at all,for what the protesters are describing.

irishgeo · 13-09-2018 06:44AM

SF TD was on matt copper yesterday saying the crusties weren't criminals. Last time I checked ignoring a court order was a criminal offence.

ThunbergsAreGo · 13-09-2018 06:51AM

There is no housing crises there is an entitlement crisis

erica74 · 13-09-2018 06:55AM

Samsong wrote: »

People on twitter offering money for names of the masked Gardai and any other information.

Madness

And people are questioning why they had their faces covered? The type of accusations and nonsense thrown around in this thread and elsewhere proves they were correct to aim to protect their identities.

On the radio yesterday, the news reader was reading a story about this lot and said "4 tenants were removed from a house on Frederick Street". They weren't fucking tenants!! Tenants pay rent for living in a property, they don't break and enter and squat.

irishgeo · 13-09-2018 06:58AM

People saying it was a forced eviction. It wasn't. It was a removal of illegal squatters. i don't how else your supposed to remove them.

Sheep breeder · 13-09-2018 06:59AM

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

It was discussed on Tv3. Ruth Coppinger came on the tv and was clueless. She said 'the only reason this issue is being discussed tonight is because of young people'...

She was paying attention to the Margaret Cash story, right? (Not debating the semantics, mind. I know many people weren't on Cash's side, but it was highlighted as one element of the housing crisis). Or the numerous Prime Time and tv3 documentaries?
This discussions' been going on for a while-Eoghan Murphy just doesn't every appear on tv to discuss it.

Watched this on the tv, very disappointed with Matt cooper trying to be a Rockefella all the time and the Renua guy was as wooden and thick looking and Matt making him look like a fool. He will make a great TD for the back benches at the next election.
This country is going mad slowly and is fu,,,d with the working person being wrong at every turn for believing in wanting to have a house,a family, and a bit of a life. The new way seems to screw every one who works hard and they have no right to question the media, the head bangers, and the do gooders.
The people are wrong for agreeing the law was right to evict these persons out of this property that a person OWNED, the people are wrong for not agreeing Margaret Euro and her jail bird husband and entitled to a free life style and live it up, the abortion ref the people that voted yes were wrong to have a say in what effects the peoples right to choose. The whole thing is about keeping the media, TD in a job,the merry go round working and money.

Sheep breeder · 13-09-2018 07:08AM

DwightSchrute1 wrote: »

Why should you, an anonymous poster on a Internet forum be entitled to know the identities of people who are involved in something that has nothing to do with you?

because they have right to be on here with the 21000 posts and complain about opposite to what most people post,

ParkRunner · 13-09-2018 07:20AM

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

It was discussed on Tv3. Ruth Coppinger came on the tv and was clueless. She said 'the only reason this issue is being discussed tonight is because of young people'...

She was paying attention to the Margaret Cash story, right? (Not debating the semantics, mind. I know many people weren't on Cash's side, but it was highlighted as one element of the housing crisis). Or the numerous Prime Time and tv3 documentaries?
This discussions' been going on for a while-Eoghan Murphy just doesn't every appear on tv to discuss it.

In fairness Eoghan Murphy was on Claire Byrne on Monday talking about the housing crisis, albeit focusing on the high cost of renting

Laneyh · 13-09-2018 07:22AM

AlekSmart wrote: »

AFAIR 34 was a Dentist Surgery and offices,with the owner seeking approval for a Guest House.
It's not long vacant either,and does'nt fit the bill at all,for what the protesters are describing.

Its been vacant for 3 years, is that not long ? I'm not trying to be smart, genuinely asking

Kevin Finnerty · 13-09-2018 07:26AM

naughtb4 wrote: »

There is no housing crises there is an entitlement crisis

At every ****in corner you turn. I know one lad whose council house is being repiled due to subsidence, so they moved him into a larger house while the job is being done.
Told me hes going to stay there as it's a far more spacious house than his own, he'll keep refusing his own back for some reason or other.
This lad hasnt contributed one cent in taxes in his near 50 years of existence.

20Cent · 13-09-2018 07:33AM

The people in the house were all employed. The unemployment rate now is 6.1% almost full employment so the problem isn't hoards of "lazy" unemployed scroungers it's that even with a job shelter is a problem The only surprise is that people didn't start getting militant earlier.

anewme · 13-09-2018 07:42AM

To add insult to injury, the law breaking wasters wanted to have a demonstration at 5.30pm, disrupting all the hard working commuters travelling home to the likes of Cavan, Navan and beyond who don't have their free forever home in a place of their choice.

Time for the Gardai to get tough on these wasters. Delighted to see them getting thrown out.

dav3 · 13-09-2018 07:44AM

naughtb4 wrote: »

There is no housing crises there is an entitlement crisis

Move along, nothing to see here.

McMurphy · 13-09-2018 07:47AM

naughtb4 wrote: »

There is no housing crises there is an entitlement crisis

Pretty sure that the govt allocated money to go towards this non existent crisis in the last budget, and it's hard to open a newspaper or turn on the radio or tv and not see politicians (including Leo or Eoghan) talk about the non existent crisis, they should all be sacked for talking up, and throwing money at a make believe crisis that doesn't exist so.

I have been around boards long enough to know that some posters/mindsets around the place will only start to refer to an obvious crises, as an actual crises when it is seen that whatever flavour of a political party they subscribe to are seen to be having an impact on in a positive way.

There is also a health crisis lurking in the background, and with winter steadily approaching, it's about to rear it's ugly head again.

I wonder who will be the villain poster boy or girl be then that gets rolled out to try and distract the masses attention then?

Maybe they'll have yer woman Cash's - 87 year old granny pictured on a trolley complaining that the A and E ceiling she has been staring at for all of 3 hrs needs a lick of paint.

That should get enough posters to be riled enough to vent their spleen in unison for a few days while the genuine cases get ignored and overlooked in the meantime.

anewme · 13-09-2018 07:52AM

Have to laugh at the wasters whinging and bleating on having a meltdown about getting thrown out by people protecting their identity, yet they were the ones breaking the law and ignoring Court orders and illegally occupying some woman's property that she bought and paid for legally.

They can give it but they can't take it.

All one way traffic with these people..

ThunbergsAreGo · 13-09-2018 07:54AM

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Pretty sure that the govt allocated money to go towards this non existent crisis in the last budget, and it's hard to open a newspaper or turn on the radio or tv and not see politicians (including Leo or Eoghan) talk about the non existent crisis, they should all be sacked for talking up, and throwing money at a make believe crisis that doesn't exist so.

I have been around boards long enough to know that some posters/mindsets around the place will only start to refer to an obvious crises, as an actual crises when it is seen that whatever flavour of a political party they subscribe to are seen to be having an impact on in a positive way.

There is also a health crisis lurking in the background, and with winter steadily approaching, it's about to rear it's ugly head again.

I wonder who will be the villain poster boy or girl be then that gets rolled out to try and distract the masses attention then?

Maybe they'll have yer woman Cash's - 87 year old granny pictured on a trolley complaining that the A and E ceiling she has been staring at for all of 3 hrs needs a lick of paint.

That should get enough posters to be riled enough to vent their spleen in unison for a few days while the genuine cases get ignored and overlooked in the meantime.

They allocated money towards housing, which should happen. They gave money to the arts as well is there an "arts crisis"

Politicians will talk up whatever the media tell them to. The media have created the crisis

McMurphy · 13-09-2018 08:01AM

the_syco wrote: »

If they're unable to confirm who employed them, do you not think that they'd wait until they're able to confirm who hired them before telling the press?

Are we supposed to believe that if the Gardai receive an assistance request to ensure a forced removal of people illegally occupying a property goes smoothly and peacefully, that they just turn up on request without wanting to know who is asking for their back-up?

I don't believe the guards operate on such requests nilly willy or on a whim, but whatever you're having yourself S.

Wheeliebin30 · 13-09-2018 08:01AM

20Cent wrote: »

The people in the house were all employed. The unemployment rate now is 6.1% almost full employment so the problem isn't hoards of "lazy" unemployed scroungers it's that even with a job shelter is a problem The only surprise is that people didn't start getting militant earlier.

You seem disappointed with that.

You’d be happy for law and order to break down and a free for all?

20Cent · 13-09-2018 08:04AM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

You seem disappointed with that.

You’d be happy for law and order to break down and a free for all?

I'd be happy if serious effort was made to tackle the housing crisis. It's getting worse and worse. The government don't seem interested so it has to be pushed up the agenda.

judestynes · 13-09-2018 08:06AM

anewme wrote: »

To add insult to injury, the law breaking wasters wanted to have a demonstration at 5.30pm, disrupting all the hard working commuters travelling home to the likes of Cavan, Navan and beyond who don't have their free forever home in a place of their choice.

Time for the Gardai to get tough on these wasters. Delighted to see them getting thrown out.

They aren't waster's. they are sacrificing their freedoms and even putting themselves in harms way for YOU IN FACT FOR ALL OF US. Just because the current situation doesn't impact on you there's no guarantee future legislation won't. Are you all so blind you can't see that the mere fact that citizens have to go to such lengths to high light the injustice even the injustice of people who abuse the welfare system constitutes a failure on the part of the government. Do I agree with that particular course of action? No. I do agree there needs to be action though and the state sending in their bull dogs is going to make matters worse.

DChancer · 13-09-2018 08:12AM

irishgeo wrote: »

SF TD was on matt copper yesterday saying the crusties weren't criminals. Last time I checked ignoring a court order was a criminal offence.

No, it is a civil offence but a Judge can jail a person for contempt if they fail to obey a court order.

anewme · 13-09-2018 08:13AM

judestynes wrote: »

They aren't waster's. they are sacrificing their freedoms and even putting themselves in harms way for YOU IN FACT FOR ALL OF US. Just because the current situation doesn't impact on you there's no guarantee future legislation won't. Are you all so blind you can't see that the mere fact that citizens have to go to such lengths to high light the injustice even the injustice of people who abuse the welfare system constitutes a failure on the part of the government. Do I agree with that particular course of action? No. I do agree there needs to be action though and the state sending in their bull dogs is going to make matters worse.

Sacrificing their freedom?

You have to be taking the p?

They are whingers and moaners who don't want to pay for anything and expect someone else to pay for them.

The media are as bad. Selective reporting. No one wanted to report that Ms. Cash/Ms. Forever home Fleming were not transparent (that's being nice about it)

Not everyone is gullible and they can't stand when people see through them.

20Cent · 13-09-2018 08:26AM

anewme wrote: »

Sacrificing their freedom?

You have to be taking the p?

They are whingers and moaners who don't want to pay for anything and expect someone else to pay for them.

The media are as bad. Selective reporting. No one wanted to report that Ms. Cash/Ms. Forever home Fleming were not transparent (that's being nice about it)

Not everyone is gullible and they can't stand when people see through them.

If they had kept quiet and not hung banners off the front of the building they'd propbably still be there. The purpose if it was to draw more attention to the issue which it has.

super_furry · 13-09-2018 08:29AM

We must force the government into doing something meaningful about the housing crisis.

Also those people trying to force the government into doing something meaningful about the housing crisis are wasters.

Samsong · 13-09-2018 08:32AM

With so many protests over various issues nowadays maybe it's time the government enforced a ban on them. It's is affecting national morale.
Also going forward maybe the Gardai should consider having all its members wearing balaclavas when dealing with large groups of people. We know how social media change used against them

anewme · 13-09-2018 08:32AM

20Cent wrote: »

If they had kept quiet and not hung banners off the front of the building they'd propbably still be there. The purpose if it was to draw more attention to the issue which it has.

Maybe not the attention they want though?

Pissing people off trying to get home from work while they fanny about doing sweet f all is not really garnering support.

They did not like getting ran out, you can see them having a meltdown, all this crap about an old van with no tax disc shows how pathetic and whingey they are.

Poor diddums got turfed out of someone else's house for ignoring court orders? Wasters.

The Frederick St protest and reaction

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