Formula 1 2018: General Discussion Thread

skipper_G · 12-09-2018 04:35PM

Inviere wrote: »

Said Fernando to Lewis

I didn't say impossible, I said not normal

El_Duderino 09 · 12-09-2018 04:36PM

skipper_G wrote: »

Addyson Gray Glue wrote: »

Who was the most high profile pay driver to actually win a race? Maldonado? High profile for all the wrong reasons that is.

In recent years, yep probably Maldonado. Of all time, Niki Lauda.

It could also be Fernando Alonso or Mark Webber. They were both pay drivers at Minardi.

Mercedes paid for Schumacher to get his first drive with Jordan.

Pay drivers aren’t as straight forward as they seem. The ones who turn out to be good it’s forgotten they paid for their drive. So people remember Ericsson and Stroll as pay drivers

muckwarrior · 12-09-2018 04:37PM

skipper_G wrote: »

In recent years, yep probably Maldonado. Of all time, Niki Lauda.

You make a good point, last year the Williams car scored points in 17 of 20 races, does that qualify as points in almost every race ? In race results it was 13-6 to Massa, he destroyed him alright.....
Massa had 14 years F1 experience and Stroll was a rookie, it's not normal for a rookie to beat a much more experienced teammate.

Almost half of Stroll's points came from a single result, where he would have been beaten by Massa but for his mechanical. My point stands, as in points are not an accurate reflection of how poorly Stroll did against old man Massa.

If Stroll matches or beats Perez then I'll eat my words, but all signs at the moment point to him being one of the weakest drivers on the grid.

Inviere · 12-09-2018 04:42PM

skipper_G wrote: »

I didn't say impossible, I said not normal

I know

pjohnson · 12-09-2018 04:50PM

Is "rookie" Sirotkin not outqualifying Stroll? Think I heard that in commenatary (which really suprised me tbh).*

*this was a few races ago so may have corrected itself.

muckwarrior · 12-09-2018 05:10PM

pjohnson wrote: »

Is "rookie" Sirotkin not outqualifying Stroll? Think I heard that in commenatary (which really suprised me tbh).*

*this was a few races ago so may have corrected itself.

Yeah, until very recently he was anyway. Last year he was beaten 17-2 by Massa, averaging more than 6 tenths behind. That's twice the gap that Alonso had to Vandoorne.

skipper_G · 12-09-2018 05:12PM

muckwarrior wrote: »

Almost half of Stroll's points came from a single result, where he would have been beaten by Massa but for his mechanical. My point stands, as in points are not an accurate reflection of how poorly Stroll did against old man Massa.

If Stroll matches or beats Perez then I'll eat my words, but all signs at the moment point to him being one of the weakest drivers on the grid.

Did Ocon match or beat Perez in his rookie season ? Edit: fixed typo, not Stroll but Perez
Did Ocon finish ahead of Perez in more races over the course of that season ?

I'll save you the bother of looking it up, the answer is the same for both. No.

And that's not to mention that Perez is just a "mediocre pay driver" according to some on here, or that Ocon had a 9 race head start to his "rookie" season.

Stroll is just as deserving of a chance based on his junior career and F1 results achieved, as other drivers like Ocon, Gasly, etc;

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 12-09-2018 05:16PM

If I remember correctly Hamilton and Alonso finished level on points, same amount of wins, Hamilton had one extra second or third place over Fernando so finished ahead in the title race.

When was the last time a rookie beat his defending champion team mate?

Harika · 12-09-2018 05:20PM

Addyson Gray Glue wrote: »

If I remember correctly Hamilton and Alonso finished level on points, same amount of wins, Hamilton had one extra second or third place over Fernando so finished ahead in the title race.

When was the last time a rookie beat his defending champion team mate?

Somewhere in the 50s I guess

muckwarrior · 12-09-2018 06:26PM

skipper_G wrote: »

Did Ocon match or beat Stroll in his rookie season ?

Not sure what you mean by this. Ocon beat Stroll last year, although I wouldn't compare since they were in two different cars..

skipper_G wrote: »

Did Ocon finish ahead of Perez in more races over the course of that season ?

He averaged less than a tenth behind him in qualifying and overall was almost a match for Perez.

skipper_G wrote: »

And that's not to mention that Perez is just a "mediocre pay driver" according to some on here, or that Ocon had a 9 race head start to his "rookie" season.

I'd have rated him at least as good as Massa last year.

skipper_G wrote: »

Stroll is just as deserving of a chance based on his junior career and F1 results achieved, as other drivers like Ocon, Gasly, etc;

I disagree. He got his arse absolutely handed to him by an average driver last year and now he's struggling to beat a rookie who is also only in F1 because he brought a big fat cheque.

Assuming that Stroll and Perez spend next season together, I'll give you €20 if Stroll averages lass than a tenth of a second to Perez in qualifying. That's not even a bet. I'll just give it to you!

dublinman1990 · 12-09-2018 07:11PM

This deal between Sky & Channel 4 for F1 only lasts one year for 2019. It's not a great deal by any means but it's better than nothing.

What will happen after that if all of those races are finished by next season?

Will this deal be renewed with Channel 4 on a yearly basis until the current Sky deal is finished before 2025 or not?

It will become very painful for F1 fans who want to continue seeing their race coverage live from 2020 onwards if these races become exclusive on Pay TV via Sky Sports F1. The F1 coverage on Channel 4 has been great so far with great analysis on how the title race has been going on for this year. But getting less live races for this new deal from next year is quite a surprise in not getting the same level of races that are provided in their current rights deal.

I would love to see the current Channel 4 team in place to continue presenting the coverage on that channel.

People living here will be at a loss as they can no longer see live F1 races on Eir Sports 1 from next year. If they want to continue watching all of them live. They have to watch them exclusively on Sky Sports F1 until their current contract ends before 2025.

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 12-09-2018 08:29PM

dublinman1990 wrote: »

This deal between Sky & Channel 4 for F1 only lasts one year for 2019. It's not a great deal by any means but it's better than nothing.

What will happen after that if all of those races are finished by next season?

Will this deal be renewed with Channel 4 on a yearly basis until the current Sky deal is finished before 2025 or not?

It will become very painful for F1 fans who want to continue seeing their race coverage live from 2020 onwards if these races become exclusive on Pay TV via Sky Sports F1. The F1 coverage on Channel 4 has been great so far with great analysis on how the title race has been going on for this year. But getting less live races for this new deal from next year is quite a surprise in not getting the same level of races that are provided in their current rights deal.

I would love to see the current Channel 4 team in place to continue presenting the coverage on that channel.

People living here will be at a loss as they can no longer see live F1 races on Eir Sports 1 from next year. If they want to continue watching all of them live. They have to watch them exclusively on Sky Sports F1 until their current contract ends before 2025.

I'm not renewing my Sky f1 subscription after November, getting really sick of them now, I only watch it because Brundle is a fantastic commentator/analyst.

So there will be no more "it's lights out and away we go" for me thank god

skipper_G · 12-09-2018 08:33PM

muckwarrior wrote: »

Not sure what you mean by this. Ocon beat Stroll last year, although I wouldn't compare since they were in two different cars..

Apologies that was a typo, question should have read, did Ocon match or beat Perez in his rookie season. Answer was no by the way.

muckwarrior wrote: »

He averaged less than a tenth behind him in qualifying and overall was almost a match for Perez.

Almost, behind, qualifying. Three key words in that sentence,
Almost = he wasn't a match
Behind = he was slower
Qualifying = no points

Talking about race results because that's what matters most. That's what determines finishing order, championship position and prize money.

muckwarrior wrote: »

I disagree. He got his arse absolutely handed to him by an average driver last year and now he's struggling to beat a rookie who is also only in F1 because he brought a big fat cheque.

I think you're wrong, I think you don't like Stroll and his performance is irrelevant as far your opinion of him goes.

muckwarrior wrote: »

Assuming that Stroll and Perez spend next season together, I'll give you €20 if Stroll averages lass than a tenth of a second to Perez in qualifying. That's not even a bet. I'll just give it to you!

Keep your money or give it to a charity, I don't think Stroll will beat Perez if they were teammates because I rate Perez higher. And even if I did I would take your offer, qualifying is just one aspect of a race weekend, an important one but not the most important, because you get 0 points for being quick over a single lap.

Frank Bullitt · 12-09-2018 08:49PM

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 12-09-2018 10:19PM

Never knew Schumacher tested a Sauber.

https://twitter.com/1990sF1/status/1039982241361940481

GarIT · 12-09-2018 10:40PM

dublinman1990 wrote: »

This deal between Sky & Channel 4 for F1 only lasts one year for 2019. It's not a great deal by any means but it's better than nothing.

What will happen after that if all of those races are finished by next season?

Will this deal be renewed with Channel 4 on a yearly basis until the current Sky deal is finished before 2025 or not?

It will become very painful for F1 fans who want to continue seeing their race coverage live from 2020 onwards if these races become exclusive on Pay TV via Sky Sports F1. The F1 coverage on Channel 4 has been great so far with great analysis on how the title race has been going on for this year. But getting less live races for this new deal from next year is quite a surprise in not getting the same level of races that are provided in their current rights deal.

I would love to see the current Channel 4 team in place to continue presenting the coverage on that channel.

People living here will be at a loss as they can no longer see live F1 races on Eir Sports 1 from next year. If they want to continue watching all of them live. They have to watch them exclusively on Sky Sports F1 until their current contract ends before 2025.

I just watch Sky F1 online for free, it's worked for me without any issues since 2015. There may be a subreddit where where you can post links to where you are watching it and people can upvote or downvote each source depending on it's quality, popups, etc.

elperello · 12-09-2018 11:02PM

I'd rather watch the highlights on C4 than put up with the S** crowd live.
Except for M Brundle, respect there.

roundymac · 13-09-2018 10:41AM

OSI wrote: »

That was an offer that only lasted the first season of F1, if you've maintained your subscription since you're essentially "grandfathered" into that offer. Any new customer has to purchase Sky Sports to get Sky Sports F1.

Its also available on EIR, a pay for channel I know.

ELM327 · 13-09-2018 10:50AM

roundymac wrote: »

Its also available on EIR, a pay for channel I know.

Doesnt Eir have to stop showing F1 after this season, the sky rights were exclusive

flazio · 13-09-2018 01:12PM

ELM327 wrote: »

Doesnt Eir have to stop showing F1 after this season, the sky rights were exclusive

Yes. Regardless of what happens Channel 4 highlights next year, Eir Sports will not be showing live F1 races.

Mike Litoris · 13-09-2018 01:26PM

Nice podcast about the late great Ronnie Peterson from Autosport. 40 years gone on Tuesday.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/138664/how-good-was-ronnie-Peterson

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Jordan 199 · 13-09-2018 07:41PM

Singapore GP will be live on C4 this weekend.

AMKC · 13-09-2018 08:02PM

I am surprised there is no thread started for the Singapore race yet. Is Harika away from the net as its not like him. I could start one but it would not be as good as his threads.

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 13-09-2018 08:04PM

AMKC wrote: »

I am surprised there is no thread started for the Singapore race yet. Is Harika away from the net as its not like him. I could start one but it would not be as good as his threads.

Agreed, Harika is the resident race thread starter

Harika · 13-09-2018 08:30PM

Addyson Gray Glue wrote: »

Agreed, Harika is the resident race thread starter

Really busy at work, keeping me from my real commitment lol will put up something soon

strawdog · 14-09-2018 01:39PM

dublinman1990 wrote: »

This deal between Sky & Channel 4 for F1 only lasts one year for 2019. It's not a great deal by any means but it's better than nothing.

What will happen after that if all of those races are finished by next season?

Will this deal be renewed with Channel 4 on a yearly basis until the current Sky deal is finished before 2025 or not?

It will become very painful for F1 fans who want to continue seeing their race coverage live from 2020 onwards if these races become exclusive on Pay TV via Sky Sports F1. The F1 coverage on Channel 4 has been great so far with great analysis on how the title race has been going on for this year. But getting less live races for this new deal from next year is quite a surprise in not getting the same level of races that are provided in their current rights deal.

I would love to see the current Channel 4 team in place to continue presenting the coverage on that channel.

People living here will be at a loss as they can no longer see live F1 races on Eir Sports 1 from next year. If they want to continue watching all of them live. They have to watch them exclusively on Sky Sports F1 until their current contract ends before 2025.

It is shortsighted of F1 to go this way and, if I can see them live i still will watch them live, but I hate to say it, a part of me is thinking I might be better off just watching highlights from next year. Good races with good racing has gotten to be so infrequent in recent years that, never mind spending my money for the privilege of being bored, I'm finding it harder to justify spending a couple of hours of my time at the weekend on them.

GarIT · 14-09-2018 01:45PM

strawdog wrote: »

It is shortsighted of F1 to go this way and, if I can see them live i still will watch them live, but I hate to say it, a part of me is thinking I might be better off just watching highlights from next year. Good races with good racing has gotten to be so infrequent in recent years that, never mind spending my money for the privilege of being bored, I'm finding it harder to justify spending a couple of hours of my time at the weekend on them.

Bernie Ecclestone signed the deal and left with his huge fee for facilitating the deal.

The new owners, Liberty are totally against it but have said they rather just see it out than break the contract and face being sued. Liberty have said they will make F1 TV available in every country as soon as the deals blocking it currently expire, so Sky won't have the option of exclusivity on any race when it comes to negotiating the next deal.

Bernie made sure to collect his 200mil for passing go on his last lap around the board even if that did mean signing terrible deal as long as he got his payout, and what does he care now, nobody can touch him.

Harika · 14-09-2018 02:41PM

Wehrlein and Mercedes will end their partnership at the end of the year, what could give way for him to go to torro rosso

https://mobile.twitter.com/MercedesAMGDTM/status/1040579578786398209

ELM327 · 14-09-2018 02:43PM

GarIT wrote: »

Bernie Ecclestone signed the deal and left with his huge fee for facilitating the deal.

The new owners, Liberty are totally against it but have said they rather just see it out than break the contract and face being sued. Liberty have said they will make F1 TV available in every country as soon as the deals blocking it currently expire, so Sky won't have the option of exclusivity on any race when it comes to negotiating the next deal.

Bernie made sure to collect his 200mil for passing go on his last lap around the board even if that did mean signing terrible deal as long as he got his payout, and what does he care now, nobody can touch him.

It's cash out and away we go.

Wanderer78 · 14-09-2018 02:48PM

strawdog wrote:

It is shortsighted of F1 to go this way and, if I can see them live i still will watch them live, but I hate to say it, a part of me is thinking I might be better off just watching highlights from next year. Good races with good racing has gotten to be so infrequent in recent years that, never mind spending my money for the privilege of being bored, I'm finding it harder to justify spending a couple of hours of my time at the weekend on them.

No wonder so many viewers move towards alternative viewing options with such deals, you can't blame people at all, I'm even starting to look into these alternatives

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