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The Frederick St protest and reaction

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,321 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Yeah that seems to be the case, but they also try do more to keep the rents down too, so there's less short term profit to be had too (usually), seems to work better imo than everyone just trying to screw each other

    I have always wondered though why we cannot simply state that we are going to adopt the German or the Austrian system starting on January 1st 2019 or 2020, and then just do it.

    Why can we not? Would laws need changed?

    Many will say vested interests - a lot of people in power in Ireland are landlords apparently and the current system suits them. Maybe.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,146 ✭✭✭rom


    When protesters do the following no mater what they are trying to do the lose all credibility:
    - Get involved in name calling especially with Garda
    - Focus on petty things rather than the message at hand. Does the van have tax.
    - Are not informed and state things like housing is a human right. Shelter is which is something different.
    - Break the laws that are in place in 99% of world. Other movement that broke laws were laws that were unique to that place and were relevant to the movement. It put a spotlight on it then.
    - Have a spokesperson who is not associated with any groups that have been associated with violence or crime either now or in the past.
    - Have protests that within the law. Have a sit in at a Garda station. This is were homeless are sent if there is no where to go so it would be symbolic. Margret Cash (not going to open that can of worms again) achieved more though it was for herself than this has. Fill the Garda station with normal people and invite the media to come. Not breaking any laws.
    - Come with some sort of solution rather than stupid chants Shame shame shame that you watch game of thrones. Something like double housing tax for those who have a vacant property in the pressure zone and the money extra raised to be ring fenced for housing charities. Something like that. Just stating the problem again and again does nothing. All causes that were successful have a clear message on what they want and its something that is achievable. Maybe its to remove the ban on only 5 stories in Dublin to build etc etc. But something like houses for all and no logical steps on how that can be achieved is no good.
    - Ireland is not the first country to have a housing crisis and not the last. Small changes are being made and it will take time but come with well researched ideas and a strong clear message and stop the childish behaviour and people may listen.
    - People can make a difference. A woman from Cork walked from Cork to Dublin to get medical cannabis under licence. She won. She didn't break any laws. She had a clear and convincing argument on how Ireland was different from X countries and how changing the law could benefit people. This group are essentially saying "My son is sick" again and again.


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    If I could add to your list - Have a recognisable spokesperson without a stupid Leo mask.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,374 ✭✭✭aido79


    I didn't ask for a 5 year, it was the standard length offered, so not far off a part 4.

    It a chicken and egg but if landlords gave longer contracts tenants wouldn't need such a strong Part 4

    I'm not sure you're really getting it. It isn't possible to give a 1 year lease to a difficult tenant in Ireland. If a tenant decides they don't want to leave after the first 6 months it's very difficult to get them out. Paying rent is also seen as optional for some tenants. Being a landlord in Ireland has alot of risks compared to other businesses.
    I think landlords should have more control over how long tenants stay in their property. Most landlords would gladly give a 5 year lease to a good tenant.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,314 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    I didn't ask for a 5 year, it was the standard length offered, so not far off a part 4.

    It a chicken and egg but if landlords gave longer contracts tenants wouldn't need such a strong Part 4
    AFAIK, Part 4 is currently a 6 year lease.

    Contracts mean nothing should the tenant stop paying the rent, as the LL has to pay money to go through the PTRB, pay money to the sheriff to evict them, and then pay more money to fix the place if it's damaged. Does the LL ever get the money owed back if damage was done to the property?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,619 ✭✭✭erica74


    When the gardai do the usual soft approach to policing, they are criticised.
    When the gardai do this type of policing, effectively removing those muppets from a house that doesn't belong to them, and protecting the identities of the people involved, masking faces and the vehicle used, they are criticised.

    I assume the gardai and the owner of the property had already tried the "soft" approach and it clearly didn't work so, in order for the property owner to regain control of their property, the gardai took a tougher approach.

    People often say our gardai are a laughing stock. This approach sends a very clear message to any other muppets who think it is their right to enter and squat in property that doesn't belong to them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Is it legal to drive a van with a front registration plate missing, a UK rear one, and refuse to identify oneself?

    Not condoning the actions of the protesters, but if the law of the state is being enforced, it should be enforced equally.

    Were the lads in an unmarked van working for anyone in particular?

    There is zero legislation that states you have to identify yourself to a reporter or a rabble. I’m sure they were introduced to the Gardaí before they went to the house, otherwise the Gardaí would be evicting one rabble and letting another rabble in, which would be pointless.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    And by occupying someone’s property illegal is the right way to go about it?

    All of the acts of civil disobedience cited by the poster were illegal at the time, and they did achieve something.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Comparison with Rosa Parks and the young man who risked his life in Tiananmen Square...

    There is definitely an accommodation crisis, but how in the hell is illegally occupying a private dwelling meant to help effect change at state level? :confused:

    And the guards are literally doing their job.

    The state should be forcing people to sh!t or get off the pot when it comes to hoarding empty housing in rent pressure zones. That's exactly what these protests are trying to advocate for by highlighting just how much housing in the city is wasted by hoarders.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,536 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    The state should be forcing people to sh!t or get off the pot when it comes to hoarding empty housing in rent pressure zones. That's exactly what these protests are trying to advocate for by highlighting just how much housing in the city is wasted by hoarders.

    Higher property taxes needed, particularly on unused property. It stops landlords sitting on property trying to accumulate wealth through price increases.

    Unfortunately many of the vocal people protesting here were/are anti property taxes...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Amirani wrote: »
    Higher property taxes needed, particularly on unused property. It stops landlords sitting on property trying to accumulate wealth through price increases.

    Unfortunately many of the vocal people protesting here were/are anti property taxes...

    IMO we need to go further than that, and back to a 1930s Simms-esque project of compulsory purchase of these properties, demolition, and replacement with higher-density mixed-tenure developments. If the councils controlled large amounts of rental properties which were available not just to desperate folks but to average people who simply couldn't afford the ridiculous rents on the market at the moment, and which were not rented at market rates but at a rate which people agreed was actually a reasonable proportion of income, it would go a long way towards forcing some amount of deflation and making peoples' lives at least marginally easier.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Amirani wrote: »
    Higher property taxes needed, particularly on unused property. It stops landlords sitting on property trying to accumulate wealth through price increases.

    Unfortunately many of the vocal people protesting here were/are anti property taxes...

    Exactly, try to raise taxes and the exact same rent-a-mob group will be out protesting that.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,992 ✭✭✭Mongfinder General


    Amirani wrote: »
    Higher property taxes needed, particularly on unused property. It stops landlords sitting on property trying to accumulate wealth through price increases.

    Unfortunately many of the vocal people protesting here were/are anti property taxes...

    I’d wager that most of the people commenting here are paying 50+% tax on their income above €34000. That’s enough tax in my book.
    Yesterday’s events are not pretty but Garda indolence has emboldened the growing want everything/pay for nothing brigade.

    This is a good start from the Garda Commissioner although as I’ve said previously, laying into a few crusties is down the list of priorities. There are much bigger problems out there right now. Hopefully he lashes into them over the next few months


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Exactly, try to raise taxes and the exact same rent-a-mob group will be out protesting that.

    Because higher property taxes inevitably translate to higher rents. That's sort of a no-brainer. The truth is that disused (or illegally used as in overcrowded dorm-style rental) low-density housing in the city centre needs to be demolished and replaced with apartments, just like the tenements were in the 20th century - and, rents need to be to some extent based on what is considered affordable and not just what the maximum we can get away with charging might be.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Because higher property taxes inevitably translate to higher rents. That's sort of a no-brainer. The truth is that disused (or illegally used as in overcrowded dorm-style rental) low-density housing in the city centre needs to be demolished and replaced with apartments, just like the tenements were in the 20th century - and, rents need to be to some extent based on what is considered affordable and not just what the maximum we can get away with charging might be.

    And where does the money come from to do this?? Our magic money tree??


  • Registered Users Posts: 990 ✭✭✭_Puma_


    According to a picture on twitter the clapped out van had a northern reg before Gardai told them to take them off. New RUC commissioner must have got some of his loyalist mates down.

    The extendable batons some of the Gardai are holding aren't liscenced for the Gardai either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Yesterday’s events are not pretty but Garda indolence has emboldened the growing want everything/pay for nothing brigade.

    There's a difference between "pay for nothing" and "pay what's reasonable". Do you know much about the history of Irish independence? You realise that a similar situation with extortionate rents was one of the main triggers for the 20th century independence movement, right? "Fair Rent" was one of the main three demands of the Land League which ultimately evolved into the Republican movement.

    This is not a new phenomenon. The mainstream notion that land is an entirely private commodity and not to some extent a national resource is the new phenomenon, it's only been mainstream since the 1980s FFS.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    And where does the money come from to do this?? Our magic money tree??

    We already have it. I've explained this numerous times in the other threads on this protest. How do you think we afforded it in the feckin' 1930s when Ireland was broke as f*ck?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    We already have it. I've explained this numerous times in the other threads on this protest. How do you think we afforded it in the feckin' 1930s when Ireland was broke as f*ck?

    Ah, we have it. Gadzooks, and here was me thinking the country is being run at a deficit and still borrowing to keep afloat


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 234 ✭✭DChancer


    Ah, we have it. Gadzooks, and here was me thinking the country is being run at a deficit and still borrowing to keep afloat

    Third highest National debt by capita in the developed world and still borrowing!
    But no worries, we need to look after the something for nothing generation!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Ah, we have it. Gadzooks, and here was me thinking the country is being run at a deficit and still borrowing to keep afloat

    My local council spent around €44m on a project which nobody asked for and which locals were calling for the demolition of before it was even completed, and that's just one of plenty of examples of money which should be used for housing being wasted on discretionary spending.

    Fintan O'Toole summed this up better than I can at this hour of the morning :D This is not a lack of funding but a fundamental ideology which says that the free market is a sacred cow and that public housing shouldn't be a thing, that housing is not a right, and that neoliberalism will solve every problem even though it isn't.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-opposition-to-social-housing-is-matter-of-ideology-not-economics-1.2397695

    I don't want to just quote a snippet of this article because the whole thing needs to be read in one go (it's quite short) but essentially, he outlines the ludicrosity of suggesting that early post-independence Ireland could afford to build social housing and modern Ireland can't. The issue isn't "can't", but "won't". This is directly tied to the rise of "third way" leftism from the era of Reagan and Thatcher to the present day - Ireland followed its neighbours on both sides into the abyss and has yet to emerge from it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,176 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    guylikeme wrote:
    Anyways..without debating who is right or wrong on this, id like to hear why Gardai wore Balacalavas. Seems a little overdone.


    All I know is that they wear them for protection. Everyone loves videoing these things and Gardai faces end up on social media. During the water meter protests some Gardai families were threatened.

    It's a shame that it's come to this. Intimating as it is, I don't have a problem with them protecting their identity from social media.

    Because phones & videos can be a deliberate way to intimate someone I wonder will we see laws eventually where it will be illegal to upload videos of Gardai to social media?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 234 ✭✭DChancer



    Fintan O'Toole summed this up better than I can at this hour of the morning :D This is not a lack of funding but a fundamental ideology which says that the free market is a sacred cow and that public housing shouldn't be a thing, that housing is not a right, and that neoliberalism will solve every problem even though it isn't.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-opposition-to-social-housing-is-matter-of-ideology-not-economics-1.2397695

    I don't want to just quote a snippet of this article because the whole thing needs to be read in one go (it's quite short) but essentially, he outlines the ludicrosity of suggesting that early post-independence Ireland could afford to build social housing and modern Ireland can't. The issue isn't "can't", but "won't". This is directly tied to the rise of "third way" leftism from the era of Reagan and Thatcher to the present day - Ireland followed its neighbours on both sides into the abyss and has yet to emerge from it.
    A free forever home is not a right, nobody has the right to demand that "someone else pay for all my stuff"!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,892 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Probably They wore balaclavas as the social justice warriors would’ve Gone to town on them if they had been able to ID them


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    My local council spent around €44m on a project which nobody asked for and which locals were calling for the demolition of before it was even completed, and that's just one of plenty of examples of money which should be used for housing being wasted on discretionary spending.

    Fintan O'Toole summed this up better than I can at this hour of the morning :D This is not a lack of funding but a fundamental ideology which says that the free market is a sacred cow and that public housing shouldn't be a thing, that housing is not a right, and that neoliberalism will solve every problem even though it isn't.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-opposition-to-social-housing-is-matter-of-ideology-not-economics-1.2397695

    I don't want to just quote a snippet of this article because the whole thing needs to be read in one go (it's quite short) but essentially, he outlines the ludicrosity of suggesting that early post-independence Ireland could afford to build social housing and modern Ireland can't. The issue isn't "can't", but "won't". This is directly tied to the rise of "third way" leftism from the era of Reagan and Thatcher to the present day - Ireland followed its neighbours on both sides into the abyss and has yet to emerge from it.

    Who has the most seats on Dublin City Council?

    Sinn Fein.

    By the way there is already 4,000 social houses built this year, how is it true the government don’t build social houses anymore?

    Have you a costing for building houses for everyone who wants one?

    I reckon it’s 100,s of billions of euro.

    We don’t have that money it’s as simple as that.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    We already have it. I've explained this numerous times in the other threads on this protest. How do you think we afforded it in the feckin' 1930s when Ireland was broke as f*ck?

    Because it was 20 times cheaper to build back then.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,016 ✭✭✭mirwillbeback


    Look like a bunch of rent-a-thugs, which I guess they probably were



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    The sames lads that tried to make the Regency Hotel get a make over by getting blood on the carpet.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Who has the most seats on Dublin City Council?

    Sinn Fein.

    By the way there is already 4,000 social houses built this year, how is it true the government don’t build social houses anymore?

    Have you a costing for building houses for everyone who wants one?

    I reckon it’s 100,s of billions of euro.

    We don’t have that money it’s as simple as that.

    If we call it, say E200,000 per unit to build and there are 10,000 homeless as the number spoofers use. It would only cost E2,000,000,000. Pocket change, sure they spent E44m on something else.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    _Puma_ wrote: »
    According to a picture on twitter the clapped out van had a northern reg before Gardai told them to take them off. New RUC commissioner must have got some of his loyalist mates down.

    The extendable batons some of the Gardai are holding aren't liscenced for the Gardai either.

    Hilarious people think the new Garda Commissioner personally hired loyalists to come down to throw a few wasters out of a building.

    Jesus is that the mentality of these mobs??

    Brainwashed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Look like a bunch of rent-a-thugs, which I guess they probably were



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    Rent-a-thug?? I haven't heard any reports of anything thuggish like assaults etc from the crustys. Their main whinge seems to be the attire of the gentlemen asked to secure the building.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    If we call it, say E200,000 per unit to build and there are 10,000 homeless as the number spoofers use. It would only cost E2,000,000,000. Pocket change, sure they spent E44m on something else.

    Yeah and what about the extra 10,000 who will rock up the next day suddenly “homeless” to get a free house.

    Can we all just avail of a free house?

    Don’t be so naive if you think we build 10,000 houses that’s the last we hear from the want everything for nothing brigade.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Yeah and what about the extra 10,000 who will rock up the next day suddenly “homeless” to get a free house.

    Can we all just avail of a free house?

    Don’t be so naive if you think we build 10,000 houses that’s the last we hear from the want everything for nothing brigade.

    I know, next it will be Sky and flat screen tvs that they need or it will be a breach of their hoooooman rights.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Rent-a-thug?? I haven't heard any reports of anything thuggish like assaults etc from the crustys. Their main whinge seems to be the attire of the gentlemen asked to secure the building.
    "With masks on, we couldn't photograph them and put their faces all over social media! This is a disgrace!"

    The fncking whinging going on about this on social media today. That Gardai doing their duty might be afforded a bit of personal anonymity for their own protection.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    We already have it. I've explained this numerous times in the other threads on this protest. How do you think we afforded it in the feckin' 1930s when Ireland was broke as f*ck?
    How much do you think it costs to throw up a box with 3 rooms, brick walls, no insulation, electricity, toilets or running water? **** all.

    You would rather live on the street than accept something built to 1930s standards.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,248 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    _Puma_ wrote: »
    According to a picture on twitter the clapped out van had a northern reg before Gardai told them to take them off. New RUC commissioner must have got some of his loyalist mates down.

    The extendable batons some of the Gardai are holding aren't liscenced for the Gardai either.

    Sounds like some of the nonsense I was reading from the likes of the Solidarity twitter account last night.

    "hey, look over here at these things that may or may not be against the law, we don't really know because we're throwing all sorts of **** hoping some will stick. We're doing this because we don't want you to look over there, yes there, the bit were proper procedures and laws were applied and granted by the court of our land, we don't believe in those laws though because it doesn't suit our narrative."

    The ****ing eejits all of a sudden become experts in the law then when they feel they're being 'terrorised'.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Paul Murphy's constituency office in Tallaght looked empty when I walked past it last week. Not a single homeless family in there from what I could see



    I wonder how the police force would behave in whatever irish communist paradise Paul would rule over if he came to power? Stasi informants in every house and a KGB re education camp in the Phoenix park no doubt


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    And where does the money come from to do this?? Our magic money tree??

    We already have it, according to a Councillor interviewed on the radio a few days ago. It’s very wisely being used to buy or rent properties. Not BUILD. I kid you not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,422 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    Don't want to answer the question?

    I'll answer it for you.

    It is none of your business what I do in relation to the ownership of property I would own anymore than it's my business to interfere with your rights of ownership.

    That's the market. Suck it up.

    Property rights are not unlimited and absolute, there's a clause in the constitution limiting such rights for the public good. The point of argument is that - in the midst of an extreme housing crisis - whether those rights should be limited via vacancy tariffs; limitations on short term letting, etc.

    The 'but it's my property what business of yours god bless the unquestioned market' shtick is quite juvenile, though I understand that it sounds good to people. There's a very complex issue developing that has multiple causes. The issue may impact on our continued economic and social development as a nation - and certainly that of our urban areas. We might have to limit the profit potential of asset speculators as one of the potential fixes. That's the constitution. Suck it up.

    I don't condone the methods of these protesters, but they are shining a direct light on an issue that we have to ask questions around.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,248 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Take Frederick House for example. If that was renovated to current standards and rented out, how many people do you think would afford to rent or buy such a place? It's not going to do anything for those on housing lists.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    I do agree that there is an issue around the hoarding of empty property and land during a housomg crisis but i also agree that if people ignore court orders they should get a boot up the hole.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    We already have it, according to a Councillor interviewed on the radio a few days ago. It’s very wisely being used to buy or rent properties. Not BUILD. I kid you not.

    We have E2,000,000,000 sitting around??? Someone tell the Dept of Finance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 945 ✭✭✭Colonel Claptrap


    Their main whinge seems to be the attire of the gentlemen asked to secure the building.

    Snobs!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭Thatnastyboy


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Take Frederick House for example. If that was renovated to current standards and rented out, how many people do you think would afford to rent or buy such a place? It's not going to do anything for those on housing lists.


    'Normal' folk on 'normal' wages can't afford to buy or rent a central property in any major city in the world though, the way people are going on you'd swear it was an Irish only problem. It's not, not even close. it is very much the way of the western world - not saying it's 'right' or 'wrong' but it's definitely how it is in many many other places.

    Those on housing lists shouldn't really be housed in a 2k/month apartment etc. in the city centre though. Those are for people of large means who can afford it. Equality can't be extended to bank accounts, or else it's just heading towards communism. I am not entirely sure what this squatting exercise wants to achieve beyond the raising of awareness and division of people.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,422 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Take Frederick House for example. If that was renovated to current standards and rented out, how many people do you think would afford to rent or buy such a place? It's not going to do anything for those on housing lists.

    Supply is squeezed at all ends of the market. Two very different properties at different levels of the market have been occupied over the last couple of months, highlighting the fact that vacancy is being pursued as an asset speculation strategy by owners of different property types. A vacancy tariff would be applied across the market, easing supply issues at all levels.


  • Moderators, Music Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,734 Mod ✭✭✭✭Boom_Bap


    They are not balaclava's, they are special masks that have nasal filters in them so that they don't have to deal with the reek of unwashed squatting hippy during the removal.


    :pac::pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    This moron eoin in 98fm giving out about the security staff breaking the law as they had no id totally ignoring the fact he was breaking the law himself.

    Moron.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,248 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    Supply is squeezed at all ends of the market. Two very different properties at different levels of the market have been occupied over the last couple of months, highlighting the fact that vacancy is being pursued as an asset speculation strategy by owners of different property types. A vacancy tariff would be applied across the market, easing supply issues at all levels.

    I understand the logic, but that particular premises will have no affect. It's more likely to become a commercial premises, or a high end short term let for corporations.
    They need to get to the suburbs and do it with council houses.

    But you know what the problem then will be? Ah here, I'm not moving out there, sure that's miles away from where I grew up and where my parents are now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    I wonder what the correlation is between those who have a problem with gardai wearing balaclavas and those who support people who wear the burqa......


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    We have E2,000,000,000 sitting around??? Someone tell the Dept of Finance.

    I’m not sure what figure was mentioned, nor can I remember who was being interviewed. Possibly on Sean O’Rourke Monday. I think he was a from Dun Laoghaire Rathdown.

    It was Friday.

    “Councils and Housing
    Don't blame us say councillors as Government threatens to take over housing powers. Ossian Smyth, Green Party councillor for Dun Laoghaire/Rathdown, Solidarity councillor for Dublin Fingal Matt Waine, and Damien English, Minister of State in the Department of Housing, Planning and Local Government discussed this with Sean O'Rourke this morning” https://www.rte.ie/radio1/today-with-sean-o-rourke/programmes/2018/0907/992217-today-with-sean-orourke-friday-7-september-2018/?clipid=102920373#102920373


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  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,522 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    In all honesty I don't blame the gardai for covering their faces, With media attention if these people could easily track down where these gardai live and start protesting outside of their homes.

    would you want your family harrassed because you were upholding the law?


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