Sexism you have personally experienced or have heard of? READ POST 1

iptba · 10-09-2018 12:35PM

Zulu wrote: »

Isn't there a thing where a "mister" is more qualified than a "doctor"? I'm pretty sure there is. Is a "mister" a consultant or something....

Last time I heard, that just applied to surgeons.

iptba · 10-09-2018 12:40PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

That's really strange. What is the thought process behind allowing women to retire earlier?

I did a few quick searches last night. There didn’t seem to be much on it. Two people suggested it was because men are generally older in couples so it was allow to couples to retire at the same age. One person in Argentina linked to an article in Spanish which I didn’t read but she said it was because women were felt to work twice as hard as they also worked in the home.

Sleepy · 10-09-2018 01:02PM

Any other fans of Ross O' Carroll Kelly here? The latest book "Dancing with the Tzars" takes a nice swipe at modern feminism

alchemist33 · 10-09-2018 03:56PM

iptba wrote: »

Last time I heard, that just applied to surgeons.

Correct. Surgeons are referred to as Mr, Ms (or possibly Mrs but I haven't actually seen that. Other doctors are referred to as Dr

Icemancometh · 10-09-2018 05:01PM

No

alchemist33 wrote: »

iptba wrote: »

Last time I heard, that just applied to surgeons.

Correct. Surgeons are referred to as Mr, Ms (or possibly Mrs but I haven't actually seen that. Other doctors are referred to as Dr

I know at least one female surgeon in Ireland who prefers Dr to Ms.

H3llR4iser · 11-09-2018 12:31AM

It's a cultural thing all right - in Italy, for example, just about anybody with a degree in anything normally insists he/she to be called "Doctor Something", as the degree itself states something such as "Doctor of Law", "Doctor of Engineering" and so on. Make no mistake, I'm talking about the equivalent of a BSc or MSc, not of a PhD. Also, it's a "respectful" way of addressing somebody who's extremely skilled, cultured and experienced in a role/profession; For example, a line manager or a director in a company will almost invariably be called "Doctor" regardless of his or her studies.

That said, usually you can spot the totally self absorbed arsehole by the fact he/she goes around correcting people about it being "Dottor Rossi", instead of "Mr. Rossi" or "Ms. Rossi". In the last 15 years or so, specifically, it started being seen as a joke of sorts - people who insist being called "doctor" without being a medical doctor are usually slagged and mocked quite relentlessly.

Anyway, back to the article posted - this goes hand in hand with the Serena Williams episode (which has also been lauded as a "great demonstration of standing up for women" in the Irish Times) in proving how completely out of control the situation is: the whole "sexism" argument is brandished as an universal bludgeoning tool and shield against personal responsibility.

Padraig Mor · 11-09-2018 09:15AM

alchemist33 wrote: »

Correct. Surgeons are referred to as Mr, Ms (or possibly Mrs but I haven't actually seen that. Other doctors are referred to as Dr

More correctly, consultants are referred to as Mr - all (senior) surgeons are consultants, but not all consultants are surgeons (although the large majority are).

alchemist33 · 12-09-2018 06:56PM

Padraig Mor wrote: »

More correctly, consultants are referred to as Mr - all (senior) surgeons are consultants, but not all consultants are surgeons (although the large majority are).

Sorry but thats incorrect. Consultant is the highest level of any medical specialty, including those like paediatrics, psychiatry, public health, pathology and surgery. Surgeons are a minority though. (I'm one of the above but I'm not saying which!)

Padraig Mor · 12-09-2018 09:00PM

alchemist33 wrote: »

Sorry but thats incorrect. Consultant is the highest level of any medical specialty, including those like paediatrics, psychiatry, public health, pathology and surgery. Surgeons are a minority though. (I'm one of the above but I'm not saying which!)

I think that's pretty much what I said though, aside from the majority aspect? Surprised that the majority aren't surgeons though.

alchemist33 · 12-09-2018 09:13PM

Padraig Mor wrote: »

I think that's pretty much what I said though, aside from the majority aspect? Surprised that the majority aren't surgeons though.

Yeah, think I misread part of your post, sorry

Woodward · 16-09-2018 07:51PM

No

Icemancometh wrote: »

I know at least one female surgeon in Ireland who prefers Dr to Ms.

To be pedantic most medical doctors are not Dr's, its a courtesy title. Strictly speaking it is reserved for someone who has earned a doctorate (PhD or M.D) and is a title which signifies you have conducted a large body of high quality research and furthered the knowledge of your field. A GP with a B.Med has not done this but for historical reasons everyone with a medical qualifications uses the title of Dr to reflect the words common usage. Back in the day theologians and lawyers also used the honorary title but they dropped it over time with the exception of Doctor of Divinity, the use of which varies but is not restricted to only those with PhDs

16-09-2018 09:21PM

Woodward wrote: »

To be pedantic most medical doctors are not Dr's, its a courtesy title. Strictly speaking it is reserved for someone who has earned a doctorate (PhD or M.D) and is a title which signifies you have conducted a large body of high quality research and furthered the knowledge of your field. A GP with a B.Med has not done this but for historical reasons everyone with a medical qualifications uses the title of Dr to reflect the words common usage. Back in the day theologians and lawyers also used the honorary title but they dropped it over time with the exception of Doctor of Divinity, the use of which varies but is not restricted to only those with PhDs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O0nGhGwSjc

iptba · 16-09-2018 09:28PM

Woodward wrote: »

To be pedantic most medical doctors are not Dr's, its a courtesy title. Strictly speaking it is reserved for someone who has earned a doctorate (PhD or M.D) and is a title which signifies you have conducted a large body of high quality research and furthered the knowledge of your field. A GP with a B.Med has not done this but for historical reasons everyone with a medical qualifications uses the title of Dr to reflect the words common usage. Back in the day theologians and lawyers also used the honorary title but they dropped it over time with the exception of Doctor of Divinity, the use of which varies but is not restricted to only those with PhDs

Yes I recall a British medical doctor in a field I am interested in doing an MD thesis long after he was qualified as a medical doctor.

Outlaw Pete · 20-09-2018 03:35AM

American senator telling men in America to do the right thing "for a change":

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1042133124631543808

James Woods' reply was, eh... succinct

https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1042180890514911232

H3llR4iser · 20-09-2018 02:24PM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

American senator telling men in America to do the right thing "for a change":

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1042133124631543808

James Woods' reply was, eh... succinct

https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1042180890514911232

What was the context of this?

20-09-2018 03:07PM

James Woods seems entrenched with the red vs blue stuff going on in the states

Defunkd · 20-09-2018 05:57PM

H3llR4iser wrote: »

What was the context of this?

J kavanaugh, in the last few days, is accused of sexually assaulting a woman in the early 1980's which has stalled his appointment to the Supreme Court.
Sen. Hirono is here lambasting anyone* who questions anything in relation to the allegation. ie; it is automatically true.
The woman says that if Kav wasn't drunk, she would have been raped. (He was too drunk to rape her)

*particularly Republican commentators who are somewhat dubious of a psych professor keeping the allegations to herself for nearly 40 years and only deciding now to complain...despite judge K being prominent for some time.

ligerdub · 20-09-2018 07:50PM

Deleted User wrote: »

James Woods seems entrenched with the red vs blue stuff going on in the states

Ummmm more like he was calling bull**** out when he sees it. Woods is a tremendous chap, very bright chap too, which shouldn't be too much of a surprise.

Calhoun · 20-09-2018 08:30PM

I wouldn't even go anywhere near the american politics, its a mess over there.

H3llR4iser · 21-09-2018 05:35PM

There's a desperate need to attract more women in the construction industry apparently - if nothing else, because they would bolster the sheer numbers of builders needed in Ireland.

https://www.independent.ie/business/in-the-workplace/more-females-required-to-meet-construction-demand-cif-37339862.html

Heard about this on the radio this morning - surprise, surprise, 99% of construction site workers are men. Although it's not as blatant as in other fields, they are kind of trying to put the "equal opportunities" spin on this; It's not like the cold hard reality is that the almost totality of women just don't want to pursue career paths that are physically demanding, dirty, dangerous and often require unsociable hours or settings...

Calhoun · 21-09-2018 05:37PM

H3llR4iser wrote: »

There's a desperate need to attract more women in the construction industry apparently - if nothing else, because they would bolster the sheer numbers of builders needed in Ireland.

https://www.independent.ie/business/in-the-workplace/more-females-required-to-meet-construction-demand-cif-37339862.html

Heard about this on the radio this morning - surprise, surprise, 99% of construction site workers are men. Although it's not as blatant as in other fields, they are kind of trying to put the "equal opportunities" spin on this; It's not like the cold hard reality is that the almost totality of women just don't want to pursue career paths that are physically demanding, dirty, dangerous and often require unsociable hours or settings...

They have been flogging this horse for a long time, i think periodically the CIF will put out a statement as such.

I am sure any woman that does come on with this one, wont be a brickie, carpenter or general laborer. More like healthy and safety or a construction engineer. I wouldn't be surprised if they had some sort of grant in third level education for women to go into the field.

iptba · 21-09-2018 06:08PM

H3llR4iser wrote: »

There's a desperate need to attract more women in the construction industry apparently - if nothing else, because they would bolster the sheer numbers of builders needed in Ireland.

https://www.independent.ie/business/in-the-workplace/more-females-required-to-meet-construction-demand-cif-37339862.html

Heard about this on the radio this morning - surprise, surprise, 99% of construction site workers are men. Although it's not as blatant as in other fields, they are kind of trying to put the "equal opportunities" spin on this; It's not like the cold hard reality is that the almost totality of women just don't want to pursue career paths that are physically demanding, dirty, dangerous and often require unsociable hours or settings...

Metrics that tend not to get mentioned or measured much. Instead we simply get claims any gender pay is strongly related to discrimination.

silverharp · 02-10-2018 12:59PM

''sticks and stones may break my bones, but you will always find a way to offend a feminist''

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/10/01/italian-professors-speech-removed-cern-website-accused-sexism/

An Italian scientist has been suspended by one of the world's leading leading nuclear research centres after he gave a presentation saying "physics was invented and built by men".

CERN, the European Organisation for Nuclear Research, said on Monday it was shocked by the "highly offensive" comments made by Professor Alessandro Strumia from Pisa University at a conference.

The centre also wiped slides from his talk from its website “in line with a code of conduct that does not tolerate personal attacks and insults” and said it was reassessing its relationship with the researcher after an outcry from physicists and scientists around the world.

Calhoun · 04-10-2018 05:07PM

http://www.thejournal.ie/suicide-rates-ireland-4267893-Oct2018/

Not sure where to post this but interesting, not that im surprised.

I guess people just need feminism.

04-10-2018 05:49PM

Calhoun wrote: »

http://www.thejournal.ie/suicide-rates-ireland-4267893-Oct2018/

Not sure where to post this but interesting, not that im surprised.

I guess people just need feminism.

Not sure what your trying to say here.

Arguably its the patriarchy that reinforces male and female roles. That stereotypical male role is a stoic leader that doesn't talk about their problems. Modern third wave feminism wants to dismantle this system (the gaudy "smash the patriarchy" slogan). So yeah, people do need feminism if you follow that line of thinking. Feminism is such a bad word these days that I prefer to call it egalitarianism.

johnnyskeleton · 04-10-2018 06:12PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Not sure what your trying to say here.

Arguably its the patriarchy that reinforces male and female roles. That stereotypical male role is a stoic leader that doesn't talk about their problems. Modern third wave feminism wants to dismantle this system (the gaudy "smash the patriarchy" slogan). So yeah, people do need feminism if you follow that line of thinking. Feminism is such a bad word these days that I prefer to call it egalitarianism.

Men talk about their problems all the time. Its just that a certain type of feminist doesnt want to listen, dismisses them talking about their problems or claims that their problems are a loss of privilege and they are oppressing women by even talking. Then these men stop talking about their problems and feminists blame the patriarchy.

Brings to mind the school bully who grabs the kids hand and slaps them on the face with it, shouting "stop hitting yourself" i.e. your self satisfied type of nasty person.

Defunkd · 04-10-2018 08:50PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Feminism is such a bad word these days that I prefer to call it egalitarianism.

Feminism is not a synonym of egalitarianism. Feminism seeks advantages or rights for females (the clue is in the name).

The Black Oil · 04-10-2018 09:37PM

I would guess Calhoun's referring to Blindboy's tripe about men needing feminism.

Calhoun · 04-10-2018 10:09PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Not sure what your trying to say here.

Arguably its the patriarchy that reinforces male and female roles. That stereotypical male role is a stoic leader that doesn't talk about their problems. Modern third wave feminism wants to dismantle this system (the gaudy "smash the patriarchy" slogan). So yeah, people do need feminism if you follow that line of thinking. Feminism is such a bad word these days that I prefer to call it egalitarianism.

It was a play on the dope from Limerick with the plastic bag on his head who seems to think that a doctrine that tells men they are abusers, rapists and essentially all they are worth for is to die on the streets.

No men don't need that, well some men are the type that like to carry on like they are into it but deep down are wolves in sheep clothing.

Keyzer · 05-10-2018 09:12AM

H3llR4iser wrote: »

There's a desperate need to attract more women in the construction industry apparently - if nothing else, because they would bolster the sheer numbers of builders needed in Ireland.

https://www.independent.ie/business/in-the-workplace/more-females-required-to-meet-construction-demand-cif-37339862.html

Heard about this on the radio this morning - surprise, surprise, 99% of construction site workers are men. Although it's not as blatant as in other fields, they are kind of trying to put the "equal opportunities" spin on this; It's not like the cold hard reality is that the almost totality of women just don't want to pursue career paths that are physically demanding, dirty, dangerous and often require unsociable hours or settings...

I seen that myself - I though the "We need more women in Nuclear" was crazy enough. If I was a woman and had aspirations to have a family one day I would not work in the Nuclear industry.

This is really scraping the bottom of the barrell.

I have never in my life met a woman who has or wants to work in construction.

Architecture, yes. Engineering, yes.

Women working on a building site? Never have I (and predict will I) meet a woman who aspires to work in construction. Hell, most men don't want to work in it. Its a tough job, my father did it for 50 years and he's physically fúcked.

Ludicrous horseshít.

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