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Sexism you have personally experienced or have heard of? *READ POST 1*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 406 ✭✭Defunkd


    sharper wrote: »
    Oh I don't know this was an issue of what is strictly legal or illegal.

    Making fun of people's appearance is low. Legal but low.

    There's a lot of valid discussion to be had on holding a festival that restricts access based on unalterable characteristics. Going after how everyone is dressed distracts from that.

    Feel free to contribute to the discussion about single-sex concerts instead of moralising about whether people can find a green-haired woman(?)'s appearance comical. I got a good chuckle when i saw it and i'm not embarrassed to say so. It's why i wrote about it on the thread.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,778 ✭✭✭✭Quazzie


    Defunkd wrote: »
    Feel free to contribute to the discussion about single-sex concerts instead of moralising about whether people can find a green-haired woman(?)'s appearance comical.

    I think you need to do two things.
    1. Watch Kevin and Perry. It's hilarious.
    2. Figure out which is left and which is your right


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 406 ✭✭Defunkd


    Quazzie wrote: »
    I think you need to do two things.
    1. Watch Kevin and Perry. It's hilarious.
    2. Figure out which is left and which is your right
    Didn't like the film tbh...100mins was too much for me. Was better as a sketch on H. E.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 406 ✭✭Defunkd


    Quazzie wrote: »
    I think you need to do two things.
    1. Watch Kevin and Perry. It's hilarious.
    2. Figure out which is left and which is your right
    Didn't like the film tbh...100mins was too much for me. Was better as a sketch on H. E.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,216 ✭✭✭sharper


    Calhoun wrote: »
    You will also not that if it was an all male festival appearance and looks would be the first thing to be attacked.

    Presumably you don't consider this to be a good thing. Is it ok here?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭Calhoun


    sharper wrote: »
    Presumably you don't consider this to be a good thing. Is it ok here?

    No i don't think its a good thing but its the nature of the beast that something will be attributed to looks.


  • Posts: 16,208 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Calhoun wrote: »
    No i don't think its a good thing but its the nature of the beast that something will be attributed to looks.

    People are judged on their appearance all the time. Positive or negative. More often than not, the judgement remains inside the head of the person making that judgment, especially if it's a subconscious judgment to determine attractiveness or danger.

    The idea that judging someone based on their looks being bad... is rather unreasonable/unrealistic. It's human nature. Generally, though, we have a social conventions to limit the expression of negative comments. A system like boards though? nah..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭Calhoun


    People are judged on their appearance all the time. Positive or negative. More often than not, the judgement remains inside the head of the person making that judgment, especially if it's a subconscious judgment to determine attractiveness or danger.

    The idea that judging someone based on their looks being bad... is rather unreasonable/unrealistic. It's human nature. Generally, though, we have a social conventions to limit the expression of negative comments. A system like boards though? nah..

    Well when you also consider that appearance has meaning behind it . So it will be commented on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,592 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    What I found odd was that the individual focused on was the most normal looking young woman in the crowd tbh...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,967 ✭✭✭✭Zulu


    No
    Sleepy wrote: »
    What I found odd was that the individual focused on was the most normal looking young woman in the crowd tbh...
    Ah come on now Sleepy, that's the girl over her right (our left) shoulder in the second row.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 406 ✭✭Defunkd


    Sleepy wrote: »
    What I found odd was that the individual focused on was the most normal looking young woman in the crowd tbh...

    To me it looks like the progression from 'average female to all out feminist' in four stages - viewed from right to left.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,928 ✭✭✭iptba


    I see the Russian pension ages are 55 for women and 60 for men. Their current plan is to change that to 60 for women and 65 for men. Report said average age men die in Russia is 67.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    iptba wrote: »
    I see the Russian pension ages are 55 for women and 60 for men. Their current plan is to change that to 60 for women and 65 for men. Report said average age men die in Russia is 67.

    it seems unfair alright , if i was being pedantic i'd want to know the life expectancy if you make it to 60 or 65, the gap might close a bit. it should at a minimum be set the same with an acknowledgment than men pay in on a net basis and women benefit on a net basis

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 406 ✭✭Defunkd


    iptba wrote: »
    I see the Russian pension ages are 55 for women and 60 for men. Their current plan is to change that to 60 for women and 65 for men. Report said average age men die in Russia is 67.
    I wouldn't call that sexism...i'd call it that ideology that only considers a human in terms of their output and when they stop being productive, they are better off dead than being a drain on the State and resources.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,928 ✭✭✭iptba


    Defunkd wrote: »
    I see the Russian pension ages are 55 for women and 60 for men. Their current plan is to change that to 60 for women and 65 for men. Report said average age men die in Russia is 67.


    I wouldn't call that sexism
    So you don't consider it sexist to have different pension ages for men and women? With either the old limits or the new thresholds, there was a difference of 5 years.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 406 ✭✭Defunkd


    iptba wrote: »
    So you don't consider it sexist to have different pension ages for men and women?
    I love the cherrypicking!

    When a Govt. wants anyone to come within 2 years of their average life expectancy before paying them a penny of what they've contributed to their working life, it goes beyond sexism.

    That said, the Russian people lived happily enough with the inequality of women being able to draw their pension earlier than men - up until June of this year anyway. Why was that?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,928 ✭✭✭iptba


    Defunkd wrote: »
    When a Govt. wants anyone to come within 2 years of their average life expectancy before paying them a penny of what they've contributed to their working life, it goes beyond sexism.
    I'm not denying that there are not other issues that are possibly interesting to discuss but you explicitly said:
    I wouldn't call that sexism
    If you are now saying that you think it is both sexism and something else, I find that position more reasonable.
    Defunkd wrote: »
    That said, the Russian people lived happily enough with the inequality of women being able to draw their pension earlier than men - up until June of this year anyway. Why was that?
    Do we know everyone was happy with it?

    The pension age for men and women in the UK was different for a long time. Eventually they decided to bring the ages together, which is gradually being done. I don't remember a huge level of highlighting of the issue, but that may simply be because there is not that much interest in highlighting sexism against men.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 406 ✭✭Defunkd


    The protesting wasn't about making the access to State pension the same for everyone. The protesting is about making people have to wait longer to access it. You are trying to turn this into a sexism issue but I see it as something worse, but essential.

    Wikipedia has a page on "Retirement Age": Russia is not alone in having a system where there are different retiring ages between the sexes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,216 ✭✭✭sharper


    Defunkd wrote: »
    That said, the Russian people lived happily enough with the inequality of women being able to draw their pension earlier than men - up until June of this year anyway. Why was that?

    How does that criticism not apply to every inequality ever? At some point a policy which used to be acceptable no longer is and changes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 406 ✭✭Defunkd


    sharper wrote: »
    How does that criticism not apply to every inequality ever? At some point a policy which used to be acceptable no longer is and changes.
    It doesn't apply simply because i'm not proposing a 'cover-all' definition or rule to combat perceived inequality in Russia. We're talking about whether increasing the pensionable age 5 years for men and 8 years for women is sexist against men.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,928 ✭✭✭iptba


    I never knew there were so many countries where the retirement age was different from men and women:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retirement_age
    Men either retire later than women or at the same time. This is being addressed in some countries where the retirement ages are being equalised.


  • Posts: 13,822 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That's really strange. What is the thought process behind allowing women to retire earlier?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,969 ✭✭✭✭alchemist33


    You'd think if there was to be an imbalance, women would retire later since they live longer


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,454 ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    Russia is a very different society to ours so to assume that all other things are equal would be a mistake. Not saying it is not sexist now but there are reasons for it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 406 ✭✭Defunkd


    Pawwed Rig wrote: »
    ... Not saying it is not sexist now but there are reasons for it.

    I don't think the move is motivated by sexism but necessity.
    Russia's birth:death ratio, in 2017, was 1205:1200. That is disastrous for any Nation but Russia has had more people die than were being born for about 15 of the last 20 years.
    The avg. woman is in her 40's while the avg. man is 33 or 36, women outnumber men and have a life expectancy of 11 years more than men. It would make more sense to increase the female retirement age because there are more women, they'll live longer and draw pension for longer, exacerbating the situation.
    Russian pensions weren't managed as well as thought, coupled with oil prices falling a decade ago and various trade 'embargos' by the EU/USA which have rattled their funds. Putin had pension reform as one of his policies 4 terms ago but voters reacted with hostility, but it can't wait any longer. Ireland is also raising retirement age in 3 or 4 years, for similar reasons.


    And before i'm accused by anyone, i'm not a spybot, Putin-apologist or mole. Just a guy who likes to read.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,872 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Not the first time I’ve heard something like this, but you really do have to wonder about some people:

    Passenger with PhD ripped for insisting airline call her ‘doctor’

    “Copping so much flack for this tweet. This was not about my ego. It was about highlighting one of a thousand instances of sexism that women encounter every day. It’s not about the title, it’s about the fact that this wouldn’t have happened if I was a man,” she wrote on Sunday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,778 ✭✭✭✭Quazzie


    Not the first time I’ve heard something like this, but you really do have to wonder about some people:

    Passenger with PhD ripped for insisting airline call her ‘doctor’

    My wife works in a hospital here, and the doctors insist they are all called Mr rather than Dr. Their reasoning was that they don't walk up to her and call her Clerical Officer, but instead refer to her as Mrs Quazzie.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,967 ✭✭✭✭Zulu


    No
    Quazzie wrote: »
    My wife works in a hospital here, and the doctors insist they are all called Mr rather than Dr. Their reasoning was that they don't walk up to her and call her Clerical Officer, but instead refer to her as Mrs Quazzie.
    Isn't there a thing where a "mister" is more qualified than a "doctor"? I'm pretty sure there is. Is a "mister" a consultant or something....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,778 ✭✭✭✭Quazzie


    Zulu wrote: »
    Isn't there a thing where a "mister" is more qualified than a "doctor"? I'm pretty sure there is. Is a "mister" a consultant or something....

    Ah, that might be the reason so, although one particular doctor did use the example i provided above and stated that he doesn't call her by her job title so she shouldn't call him by his.

    EDIT: It turns out this is a British and Irish thing

    LINK


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,967 ✭✭✭✭Zulu


    No
    Quazzie wrote: »
    Ah, that might be the reason so, although one particular doctor did use the example i provided above and stated that he doesn't call her by her job title so she shouldn't call him by his.

    EDIT: It turns out this is a British and Irish thing

    LINK
    Yeah I remember years ago getting my eyes "fixed" with lasers, and thinking "wait a minute, this guy isn't even a doctor, whats is qualifications, a certificate in lasers....". Turns out he was the leading specialist and had more qualifications than you could wave a stick at. It was explained to me in my ignorance that he was a "mister" because they ran out if things to call him :)


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