Serena's meltdown

Pauliedragon · 09-09-2018 08:09PM

Also if there is sexism in the open it's against men as they have to play out of 5 sets to womens 3 for the same money. She should be in the mens draw anyway then she'd get the calls go her way maybe.

Johnmb · 09-09-2018 08:09PM

erica74 wrote: »

Well I'm not sure what point you're trying to make, all of those male players were fined and/or suspended, equal to or worse than how Serena was treated so it doesn't really back up Serena's point about sexism as that poster was claiming.

I think that's the point he was making.

paleoperson · 09-09-2018 08:11PM

erica74 wrote: »

Well I'm not sure what point you're trying to make, all of those male players were fined and/or suspended, equal to or worse than how Serena was treated so it doesn't really back up Serena's point about sexism as that poster was claiming.

Even if they weren't, it still wouldn't likely be "sexism". Unfair, unequal things happen to all people, just because they happen to belong to a particular group doesn't make automatic proof some sort of -ism has taken place.

squawker · 09-09-2018 08:13PM

erica74 wrote: »

Serena was treated so it doesn't really back up Serena's point about sexism as that poster was claiming.

I just did a five minute google search to say what Serena is crying wolf

nothing sexist about the umpire, just a spoiled diva trying to excuse her behaviour

noodler · 09-09-2018 08:13PM

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

You do realize the violation only is justified if she received the coaching right?

Cos she vehemently denies seeing it.

So it’s not justified. And she’s damn right to stick up for herself.

There is always one.

Love the Internet.

erica74 · 09-09-2018 08:15PM

Johnmb wrote: »

I think that's the point he was making.

This is the post that I was responding to.

batgoat wrote: »

The thing that most posters don't seem to be aware of is that all of the top male players have behaved in such a manner and not been penalised. Can see Serena's point when you take that into consideration.

erica74 wrote: »

I'm not a huge tennis fan but you seem to know off the top of your head that all of the top male players have behaved the same as Serena did in that match - could you post some links to videos or articles about those players?

I asked for proof of this claim that male players had not been penalised and a different poster provided proof that they have been penalised.

AidoEirE · 09-09-2018 08:16PM

Alpha_zero wrote: »

Serena comported herself with dignity and class in this situation, a line was crossed and she didn't back down.

She acted a complete melt, was cringe stuff. She was doing it for women everywhere....clearly didnt give a **** about Osaka or the game. She was under pressure from the game and lost it throwing insults at the umpire, making herself look like a joke, disrespecting her opponent and the offical, who lets not forget, made the right call.
Any other sport disrepecting officals gets you game bans which should come to her but no doubt it wont cause the race/sexist card will be pulled

Aidric · 09-09-2018 08:17PM

This shít needs to be nipped in the bud and called out for what it is. It's a convenient excuse being pegged to a populist movement that women are being victimised. Add in the fact that she is a black athlete and you have two populist soundboards. Each case needs to be judged on its merits and any reference to past events, or worse past events involving players of a different sex are irrelevant.

Williams is a great player and a prolific winner but her actions and worse still her language portray a misguided sense of entitlement.

I have a daughter and I stand for what’s right for her, You will never be on another court of mine as long as you live. You stole a point from me. You’re a thief

There is a direct threat here brought about by a sense of entitlement, akin to 'do you know who I am' sort of a statement. She can shout all she wants but the hard facts are that the umpire penalised her according to the rules of the game and she threw a strop in response.

I have no doubt she was coached by her media/pr team before the post match interview in order to tap in to the populist victim movements. It seems to have had the desired effect.

RobertKK · 09-09-2018 08:18PM

The pressure is getting to Serena, she was in the wrong, she is desperate to beat Margaret Court's record. Court has 24 titles, Serena has 23 titles.
Margaret Court accused Serena Williams of trying to make herself bigger than the game rules.

erica74 · 09-09-2018 08:18PM

squawker wrote: »

I just did a five minute google search to say what Serena is crying wolf

nothing sexist about the umpire, just a spoiled diva trying to excuse her behaviour

And I agree with you

However, I was responding to a different poster who claimed male players weren't penalised.

The Talking Bread · 09-09-2018 08:18PM

noodler wrote: »

There is always one.

Love the Internet.

The funny thing is this guy was pontificating how much of an expert of tennis he is, watches it regularly and plays it and spent hours arguing against the legitimacy of a rule he never knew existed!

Yet he still kept digging when people explained to him the coaching rule or else can't get his head around it!

alan partridge aha · 09-09-2018 08:23PM

The Talking Bread wrote: »

The funny thing is this guy was pontificating how much of an expert of tennis he is, watches it regularly and plays it and spent hours arguing against the legitimacy of a rule he never knew existed!

Yet he still kept digging when people explained to him the coaching rule or else can't get his head around it!

I think in fairness he now knows the rule.

johnpatrick81 · 09-09-2018 08:24PM

The Talking Bread wrote: »

The funny thing is this guy was pontificating how much of an expert of tennis he is, watches it regularly and plays it and spent hours arguing against the legitimacy of a rule he never knew existed!

Yet he still kept digging when people explained to him the coaching rule or else can't get his head around it!

I thought you were done with me? :pac:

I’ve made my point and stand by it. Along with many experts and current/former pros.

I’ll try and simplify it again once more for you.

The rules regarding “coaching” are a huge grey area and are not consistently adhered to.

She didn’t see what he was trying to “coach”.

She was accused of cheating.

She defended herself.

The internet explodes with strange keyboard warriors like yourself who’ve probably never played nor watched a full game of tennis in their lives getting all hit n bothered.

johnpatrick81 · 09-09-2018 08:27PM

noodler wrote: »

There is always one.

Love the Internet.

There is always one.......person who doesn’t join the herd?

There’s plenty more in agreement with me.

Glad you’ve gotten onto the World Wide Web, where people are entitled to their opinion. Round of applause for you

squawker · 09-09-2018 08:28PM

erica74 wrote: »

And I agree with you
However, I was responding to a different poster who claimed male players weren't penalised.

sorry misunderstood

erica74 · 09-09-2018 08:29PM

squawker wrote: »

sorry misunderstood

Ah sound.

paleoperson · 09-09-2018 08:31PM

tbf there's rarely one. Usually it's either noone or more than one. That saying is a pet peeve of mine.

Carpentry · 09-09-2018 08:31PM

I think we can call an end to Williams Tennis Association era.:p

alan partridge aha · 09-09-2018 08:33PM

Carpentry wrote: »

I think we can call an end of Williams Tennis Association era.:p

I think she's still near the top. She's made 2 finals since her return. Not as good as she was but still good enough.

The Talking Bread · 09-09-2018 08:34PM

paleoperson wrote: »

tbf there's rarely one. Usually it's either noone or more than one. That saying is a pet peeve of mine.

The worst is when another comes along and they try to outdo eachother. Then the thread takes on a life of it's own! It is already happening now!

Carpentry · 09-09-2018 08:41PM

alan partridge aha wrote: »

I think she's still near the top. She's made 2 finals since her return. Not as good as she was but still good enough.

I have stolen this from a commentator who was referring to an era where Miss S and Miss V were ruling WTA ranks, on and out of the court ...

The Talking Bread · 09-09-2018 08:44PM

alan partridge aha wrote: »

I think in fairness he now knows the rule.

I would like to think so as it has been explained numerous times to him. My point is he is still using a narrative to defend Williams by claiming this ill interpreted "she needs to see the coaching (gestures) for it to be perceived as coaching"

If you are going to try to be the thread protagonist by arguing against all and sunder at least TRY and be more inventive with the logic of your argument hen people respond

And the funny thing is she did see it (after denying she had initially), and he admitted coaching her but she claimed he was giving her a thumbs up of encouragement!!

You couldn't write this!

The Golden Miller · 09-09-2018 08:48PM

She's a disgrace to the sport! Far from the first incident either. Very sinister undercurrent to her. Ego and arrogance

Carpentry · 09-09-2018 08:58PM

The Golden Miller wrote: »

She's a disgrace to the sport! Far from the first incident either. Very sinister undercurrent to her. Ego and arrogance

1 angry lil bitch she is

https://www.thequint.com/sports/tennis-/serena-williams-vs-us-open-past-incidents

The Golden Miller · 09-09-2018 09:03PM

Carpentry wrote: »

1 angry lil bitch she is

https://www.thequint.com/sports/tennis-/serena-williams-vs-us-open-past-incidents

And masquerades her behavior behind "fighting social justice", which is disgusting. McEnroe's outbursts were worse, but were emotive driven. He didn't cast aspersions that the ref made the wrong call on purpose, just that he was blind. Serena tries to drag ulterior motives onto the integrity of the officials. Disgusting

manual_man · 09-09-2018 09:04PM

squawker wrote: »

sorry misunderstood

erica74 wrote: »

Ah sound.

paleoperson · 09-09-2018 09:28PM

If I were black/a girl I'd honestly be embarrassed by her outburst yesterday. Such a role model for them all these years and having this outburst yesterday. Think of all the young girls also. I would say to those people to hang in there.

You can't accuse someone of being a "liar" and a "thief" and not expect to face major consequences.

I see the fake news such as The Gaurdian are living in their own world of delusion again: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/sep/08/serena-williams-rails-at-umpire-as-superb-naomi-osaka-wins-us-open

Johnmb · 09-09-2018 09:37PM

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

The rules regarding “coaching” are a huge grey area and are not consistently adhered to.

She didn’t see what he was trying to “coach”.

She was accused of cheating.

She defended herself.

The rules are very simply, with no grey area. Any communication from her team from the start of the warmup to the end of the match is a violation (unless there's a break in play). It doesn't matter if the player understood the communication or not.

She wasn't accused of cheating, her coach was accused of coaching her. She gets the warning because he is her responsibility. The umpire was 100% correct, as even the coach admitted.

She then threatened and verbally abused the umpire, going way beyond defending herself.

The Talking Bread · 09-09-2018 09:41PM

One of my favourite quotes by "Mamma Serena" as she know refers to herself

I don’t cheat! You need to make an announcement. I have never cheated in my life. I have a daughter! You owe me an apology. You owe me an apology.”

I mean, wtf!

lertsnim · 09-09-2018 09:43PM

The Talking Bread wrote: »

One of my favourite quotes by "Mamma Serena" as she know refers to herself

I don’t cheat! You need to make an announcement. I have never cheated in my life. I have a daughter! You owe me an apology. You owe me an apology.”

I mean, wtf!

She has a daughter? Are you sure?

Serena's meltdown

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