Serena's meltdown

The Talking Bread · 09-09-2018 02:44PM

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

It’s 100% about her seeing it.

:rolleyes:

She even admitted to seeing his gesture and he admitted he was coaching her! Keep up!!

He made it clear why he was penalising her and only issued her with a standard warning.

The rules state that

Communications of any kind, audible or visible, between a player and a coach may be construed as coaching."

AND that, also, players are responsible for the conduct of their parties,

Ramos spotted Mouratoglou holding his hands apart, indicating to Williams that she should be playing a little closer to the baseline, and instantly handed her a code violation.

Strazdas · 09-09-2018 02:44PM

lertsnim wrote: »

This is far from the first time that Serena Williams let her mask slip. She is a horrible excuse for a human being. She cheated last night and her coach verified it. All she did last night was ruin what should have been a fantastic moment for Naomi Osaka.

Yes indeed : "It's all about ME", even at the post-match press conference. Disgraceful carry on from a former champion.

Alf Veedersane · 09-09-2018 02:45PM

For someone railing against sexism in tennis, I didn't hear her outrage at Cornet's ridiculous code violation for taking off her shirt to put it on the right way around.

Nermal · 09-09-2018 02:46PM

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Serena Williams Steubenville comments...

I had to Google this one. What a piece of work.

johnpatrick81 · 09-09-2018 02:46PM

blade1 wrote: »

No, one rule for all.
If she had a problem she should complain about the refs that left men off with it and not when the rule is applied.

You are talking out of your hole.

Thanks Wesley Snipes. My hole is talking more sense than a lot in here this morning.

It happens in all sports. Rules not implemented consistently. I totally empathize with her in this situation.

2 rules rarely instilled. Suddenly both are strictly adhered to by the umpire. In the same match. What are the chances?!?

Sexism.
Unfair.

Bob Harris · 09-09-2018 02:46PM

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

Yes. It is.

Player Analysis Technology Rules

RULES OF TENNIS 2018 - RULE 30. COACHING

30. COACHING

Coaching is considered to be communication, advice or instruction of any kind and by any means to a player.

Case 1: Is a player allowed to be coached, if the coaching is given by signals in a discreet way?
Decision: No.

Her coach gave her siganls, she get's the punishment on court. See them or not that's the rule.

I reckon it's a conspiracy between her coach and the ref to cheat her out if it.
Male supremacy ruling it's iron fist over women just cos they're men and they can.

johnpatrick81 · 09-09-2018 02:47PM

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

For someone railing against sexism in tennis, I didn't hear her outrage at Cornet's ridiculous code violation for taking off her shirt to put it on the right way around.

Errr she mentioned that in the press conference after

blade1 · 09-09-2018 02:48PM

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

Thanks Wesley Snipes. My hole is talking more sense than a lot in here this morning.

It happens in all sports. Rules not implemented consistently. I totally empathize with her in this situation.

2 rules rarely instilled. Suddenly both are strictly adhered to by the umpire. In the same match. What are the chances?!?

Sexism.
Unfair.

I'm not Wesley Snipes.
More rubbish spewing from you.

Strazdas · 09-09-2018 02:48PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

"Sportsmanship" applies to both sexes - there is no such word in the dictionary as "sportswomanship"

dxhound2005 · 09-09-2018 02:48PM

There are thousands of tennis matches every year. How could anyone claim to know what way the rules are being enforced?

johnpatrick81 · 09-09-2018 02:48PM

Bob Harris wrote: »

Player Analysis Technology Rules

RULES OF TENNIS 2018 - RULE 30. COACHING

30. COACHING

Coaching is considered to be communication, advice or instruction of any kind and by any means to a player.

Case 1: Is a player allowed to be coached, if the coaching is given by signals in a discreet way?
Decision: No.

Her coach gave her siganls, she get's the punishment on court. See them or not that's the rule.

I reckon it's a conspiracy between her coach and the ref to cheat her out if it.
Male supremacy ruling it's iron fist over women just cos they're men and they can.

Given to a player

I.e. the player has to receive it.

Bob Harris · 09-09-2018 02:49PM

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

Thanks Wesley Snipes. My hole is talking more sense than a lot in here this morning.

It happens in all sports. Rules not implemented consistently. I totally empathize with her in this situation.

2 rules rarely instilled. Suddenly both are strictly adhered to by the umpire. In the same match. What are the chances?!?

Sexism.
Unfair.

How is it sexism? If she was playing against a man you might have some sort of an argument but that was the women's final and unless Osaka was hiding a mickey up her dress then it's not sexism.

Bob Harris · 09-09-2018 02:50PM

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

Given to a player

I.e. the player has to receive it.

You're missing the point again. Slip off the blinkers just for a moment.

Alf Veedersane · 09-09-2018 02:50PM

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

Errr she mentioned that in the press conference after

After it happened or the final?

johnpatrick81 · 09-09-2018 02:51PM

blade1 wrote: »

I'm not Wesley Snipes.
More rubbish spewing from you.

johnpatrick81 · 09-09-2018 02:52PM

Bob Harris wrote: »

How is it sexism? If she was playing against a man you might have some sort of an argument but that was the women's final and unless Osaka was hiding a mickey up her dress then it's not sexism.

One rule for men, another for women.
Sexism by the umpire.

You know the difference between men and women. He umpires men and hasn’t been as strict

johnpatrick81 · 09-09-2018 02:53PM

Bob Harris wrote: »

You're missing the point again. Slip off the blinkers just for a moment.

Interpretation there horse

The Talking Bread · 09-09-2018 02:55PM

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

Given to a player

I.e. the player has to receive it.

Christ! I think by now you are just digging for excuses for the sake of standing out on the thread!

She even bloody admitted to seeing it! Never mind the fact that she doesn't have to see it for it to be a foul! If the coach commits the violation, the rules state she is responsible.

What is the point!

johnpatrick81 · 09-09-2018 02:55PM

The Talking Bread wrote: »

:rolleyes:

She even admitted to seeing his gesture and he admitted he was coaching her! Keep up!!

He made it clear why he was penalising her and only issued her with a standard warning.

The rules state that

Communications of any kind, audible or visible, between a player and a coach may be construed as coaching."

AND that, also, players are responsible for the conduct of their parties,

Ramos spotted Mouratoglou holding his hands apart, indicating to Williams that she should be playing a little closer to the baseline, and instantly handed her a code violation.

She saw hand signals. For all she knew coach wanted a foot long and not a 6 inch.

She said she got no coaching. Keep up talking Italian herbs and cheese

johnpatrick81 · 09-09-2018 02:57PM

The Talking Bread wrote: »

What is the point!

I don’t know. Do you?

You even mistook me for someone else.

I thought what we had together was.....special...

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 09-09-2018 02:59PM

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

Sexism
In
Tennis
One rule for men and another for her, a female

She was playing against a woman. Same rules, same court, same umpire.

j4vier · 09-09-2018 03:01PM

Kivaro wrote:

But here's the deal after watching a number of reports of the incident, I am amazed by the amount of people rushing to support her. Experts in tennis validated the sanctions imposed by the umpire; yet still she publicly called him a liar and a cheat, and said that she was "here fighting for womens rights" and the umpire sanctioned her because she was a woman. She said if a man was on court, it would not have happened. So the umpire, according to Serena, was a sexist, liar, and cheat. And she said all of this on the court in front of a massive crowd and on live TV.

Even the awarding panel at the end seemed to feel sorry for Serena rather than be happy for Osaka.

johnpatrick81 · 09-09-2018 03:01PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

She was playing against a woman. Same rules, same court, same umpire.

An umpire who uses the same rulebook, but with different application of the rules, for men.

Sexism.

The Talking Bread · 09-09-2018 03:02PM

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

Seems pretty simple to me. She’s right. Men have said far worse and gotten away with it.

Did she see the coaching? Only she knows.

A game penalty seems insane. In a final. Of a grand slam.

Stupid umpire.

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Basically, then, this post equates to ............ I don't know really what happened but sure I'll hop in on the thread, go against the common (and correct) consensus on her behaviour/the umpire decision and settle down for a "debate"

Saw this coming a mile off, as I said.

I at least thought you would be graceful in conceding your ignorant POV when people called you out on it.

Channeling your inner Serena it seems.

Royale with Cheese · 09-09-2018 03:04PM

Sexism, lol. Let's just say the umpire was biased against her, that automatically makes it sexism right? She has previous in this area and let's face it, is a bit of a cúnt. Maybe the guy just didn't like her.

For what it's worth I watch plenty of tennis and the way she spoke to that umpire does NOT happen all the time in men's games. It was a cut above your standard dissent. I did enjoy her getting the match referee out and having a good ol cry about it though.

johnpatrick81 · 09-09-2018 03:05PM

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Saw this coming a mile off, as I said.

I at least thought you would be graceful in conceding your ignorant POV when people called you out on it.

Channeling your inner Serena it seems.

No idea why you quoted what you did and then just proceeded to insult me.

But righteo!!

Alf Veedersane · 09-09-2018 03:07PM

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

An umpire who uses the same rulebook, but with different application of the rules, for men.

Sexism.

At best it was unfair.

Just because something unfair happens to a woman doesn't mean it was sexist in the same way the same situation in the men's final wouldn't give rise to calls of sexism.

Strazdas · 09-09-2018 03:07PM

Royale with Cheese wrote: »

Sexism, lol. Let's just say the umpire was biased against her, that automatically makes it sexism right? She has previous in this area and let's face it, is a bit of a cúnt. Maybe the guy just didn't like her.

For what it's worth I watch plenty of tennis and the way she spoke to that umpire does NOT happen all the time in men's games. It was a cut above your standard dissent. I did enjoy her getting the match referee out and having a good ol cry about it though.

Given that she was playing against a woman, that rather defeats the 'sexism' argument.

HappyAsLarE · 09-09-2018 03:09PM

She really is a horrible person for pulling the sexism card.

johnpatrick81 · 09-09-2018 03:11PM

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

At best it was unfair.

Just because something unfair happens to a woman doesn't mean it was sexist in the same way the same situation in the men's final wouldn't give rise to calls of sexism.

Unfair is a big step for most in this thread. Kudos to your open mind.

Women tend to be more polite to the umpires. Men are regularly seen losing the plot and throwing insults at them.

If it was vice versa, then yes, that too would be sexism.

Serena's meltdown

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