Refused permission because not Local or resident

danbrosnan · 08-09-2018 11:23AM #1

Need sone help here I was at a pattern day in a small village not far from me with my daughter, we went to try and purchase some showjumping gear for my daughter, it was absolutely lashing rain and we wanted to get a bowl of soup and when entering a pub/restaurant I was refused with my daughter entry into the premises, the bouncer then stated that because I wasn't a resident or a local then I couldn't enter, to say I was shamed and felt highly discriminated against is an understatement, my daughter who is a local was getting soaked and we wanted some shelter more then anything! Where do I stand here? This can't be legal? Let me point out there was no drink involved as I don't drink alcohol and we were completely law abiding and respectful! The bouncer was smirking and smiling as we passed the premises also driving home!

godtabh · 08-09-2018 11:25AM

Move on and forget about as just one of those things

danbrosnan · 08-09-2018 11:28AM

godtabh wrote: »

Move on and forget about as just one of those things

Sorry I won't move on and forget about it! Is it legal that's all I am asking, in the day and age of equality for all supposedly this to me is disgraceful

Fol20 · 08-09-2018 11:30AM

You can’t get legal advice on this forum . Talk to your solicitor if your going down that route

banie01 · 08-09-2018 11:30AM

Management reserve the right of admission.
If you haven't been discriminated against on one of the specific grounds laid out in the discrimination act, then there's nothing to be done really.

Atlantic Dawn · 08-09-2018 11:31AM

If you are white, straight and Irish then perfectly legal to be refused.

danbrosnan · 08-09-2018 11:35AM

banie01 wrote: »

Management reserve the right of admission.
If you haven't been discriminated against on one of the specific grounds laid out in the discrimination act, then there's nothing to be done really.

Ya I read that act and I trying to figure out can a premises discriminate on the basis of where you from so because I am not a local?

banie01 · 08-09-2018 11:37AM

danbrosnan wrote: »

Ya I read that act and I trying to figure out can a premises discriminate on the basis of where you from so because I am not a local?

Is your residence mentioned as a grounds of discrimination in the act?
There are 9 grounds laid out, residence isn't one of them ergo, its a legitimate right to refuse.

08-09-2018 11:39AM

danbrosnan wrote: »

Ya I read that act and I trying to figure out can a premises discriminate on the basis of where you from so because I am not a local?

Is it possible that a private function was taking place? Have you contacted the management with your complaint?

98q76e12hrflnk · 08-09-2018 11:39AM

Put up a bad review of the place on the websites that it has reviews for. Thats your best bet and get some others to leave a bad review. They hire a bouncer to keep non locals out LOL

davetherave · 08-09-2018 11:39AM

danbrosnan wrote: »

Ya I read that act and I trying to figure out can a premises discriminate on the basis of where you from so because I am not a local?

Have another read of it, you might have missed this bit.

Gender, marital status, family status, age, disability, sexual orientation, race, religion, and membership of the Traveller.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 08-09-2018 11:40AM

banie01 wrote: »

Is your residence mentioned as a grounds of discrimination in the act?
There are 9 grounds laid out, residence isn't one of them ergo, its a legitimate right to refuse.

Except residence is clearly borderline. If the locals are mostly white Irish for instance, it’s backdoor racism. In fact I’d say it’s not laid out because it’s so uncommon, but is implied.

banie01 · 08-09-2018 11:44AM

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Except residence is clearly borderline. If the locals are mostly white Irish for instance, it’s backdoor racism. In fact I’d say it’s not laid out because it’s so uncommon, but is implied.

You could make that argument, but the act as laid out gives specific definition as to what is classed as discriminatory.
The "locals only" is also easily interpreted as "regulars only" and by the op's info he is not a regular so it would be a legitimate stop.

matrim · 08-09-2018 11:45AM

danbrosnan wrote: »

Need sone help here I was at a pattern day in a small village not far from me with my daughter, we went to try and purchase some showjumping gear for my daughter, it was absolutely lashing rain and we wanted to get a bowl of soup and when entering a pub/restaurant I was refused with my daughter entry into the premises, the bouncer then stated that because I wasn't a resident or a local then I couldn't enter, to say I was shamed and felt highly discriminated against is an understatement, my daughter who is a local was getting soaked and we wanted some shelter more then anything! Where do I stand here? This can't be legal? Let me point out there was no drink involved as I don't drink alcohol and we were completely law abiding and respectful! The bouncer was smirking and smiling as we passed the premises also driving home!

Did your daughter mention that she was a resident of the area?

OldMrBrennan83 · 08-09-2018 11:46AM

If you can, destroy them online.

christy02 · 08-09-2018 11:53AM

Is the op a member of the travelling community, as this is one of the grounds of discrimination?

whomitconcerns · 08-09-2018 12:05PM

Patww79 wrote: »

If you can, destroy them online.

Yes..ruin someones business cos you got wet.....crazy.

Op move on and forget it

OldMrBrennan83 · 08-09-2018 12:09PM

whomitconcerns wrote: »

Yes..ruin someones business cos you got wet.....crazy.

Op move on and forget it

They shouldn't be stopping people coming in and they shouldn't get away with it.

whomitconcerns · 08-09-2018 12:22PM

Patww79 wrote: »

whomitconcerns wrote: »

Yes..ruin someones business cos you got wet.....crazy.

Op move on and forget it

They shouldn't be stopping people coming in and they shouldn't get away with it.

Why shouldnt they...its their business their choice..anyway....im out

OldMrBrennan83 · 08-09-2018 12:23PM

whomitconcerns wrote: »

Why shouldnt they...its their business their choice..anyway....im out

IwantthelastwordnowImout

GerardKeating · 08-09-2018 12:25PM

danbrosnan wrote: »

Ya I read that act and I trying to figure out can a premises discriminate on the basis of where you from so because I am not a local?

Only if "Local" could be reasonable inferred to refer to one of the nine listed grounds under the act, which is someone you can answer.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 08-09-2018 12:40PM

whomitconcerns wrote: »

Why shouldnt they...its their business their choice..anyway....im out

Ok but what’s wrong with a bad review then? They can choose to exclude locals and someone can review that situation on a website.

fishy_fishy · 08-09-2018 12:57PM

Why not contact management and ask whether it is their policy?

Maybe it was a power tripping bouncer, maybe there was a funeral afters on and the family asked them to keep it to locals only (lest they get landed with an enormous bill)?

Give them the opportunity to reply. They might appreciate it if there's a bouncer gone rogue denying them business, or there might have been a legit reason, or they might be assholes. Whatever the reason, try to find it. If they're just assholes or don't respond, then crucify them online.

08-09-2018 01:15PM

The management reserves the right to refuse admission.

Any business can refuse to let you in.

It's best practice not to give a reason as giving a reason encourages money grabbers to try sue them.

Don't give a reason & they can't sue them

08-09-2018 01:17PM

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote:

Except residence is clearly borderline. If the locals are mostly white Irish for instance, itâ€™s backdoor racism. In fact Iâ€™d say itâ€™s not laid out because itâ€™s so uncommon, but is implied.

I wonder would they let in local travellers?

matrim · 08-09-2018 01:50PM

whomitconcerns wrote: »

Yes..ruin someones business cos you got wet.....crazy.

Op move on and forget it

If they only let in locals then a bad review online is unlikely to ruin their business

CeilingFly · 08-09-2018 01:55PM

There's probably a simpler explanation

They heard that there were travellers in the area and as they cannot discriminate against travellers they had two options

1. "Private Party" notice, but that is not as effective as it used to be

or

2. Local residents only. As such rule must be applied to all and cannot just be applied to one section, the OP got caught out by it and the doorperson could not tell you the REAL reason behind the policy that day.

Usually such rules by coincidence apply on days when a traveller wedding or a traveller funeral is in the area.

Hannibal_Smith · 08-09-2018 02:01PM

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Ok but what’s wrong with a bad review then? They can choose to exclude locals and someone can review that situation on a website.

If they only want locals on their premises, it doesn't sound like they want knowledge of their establishment to reach very far. Why would a bad review matter to them?

On a side note, what kind of place has a bouncer on the door in the afternoon? Would you want your daughter going in to a place like that?

98q76e12hrflnk · 08-09-2018 02:46PM

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote:

Except residence is clearly borderline. If the locals are mostly white Irish for instance, itâ€™s backdoor racism. In fact Iâ€™d say itâ€™s not laid out because itâ€™s so uncommon, but is implied.

Are we seriously using the word racism. It has lost all value clearly. Backdoor rasism ive heard it all now.

eezipc · 08-09-2018 02:54PM

Seems very strange. How did the bouncer know you were not a local? Bouncer could not have known everyone in the locality.

CeilingFly · 08-09-2018 03:05PM

Just copped it - Pattern Day is in some areas a gathering of travellers, hence the doorman being there in the afternoon and the publican deciding that the only way to protect his bar from travellers is to have it locals only during the days of the event.

Refused permission because not Local or resident

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