Refused permission because not Local or resident

danbrosnan

Need sone help here I was at a pattern day in a small village not far from me with my daughter, we went to try and purchase some showjumping gear for my daughter, it was absolutely lashing rain and we wanted to get a bowl of soup and when entering a pub/restaurant I was refused with my daughter entry into the premises, the bouncer then stated that because I wasn't a resident or a local then I couldn't enter, to say I was shamed and felt highly discriminated against is an understatement, my daughter who is a local was getting soaked and we wanted some shelter more then anything! Where do I stand here? This can't be legal? Let me point out there was no drink involved as I don't drink alcohol and we were completely law abiding and respectful! The bouncer was smirking and smiling as we passed the premises also driving home!

godtabh

Move on and forget about as just one of those things

danbrosnan

godtabh wrote: »

Move on and forget about as just one of those things

Sorry I won't move on and forget about it! Is it legal that's all I am asking, in the day and age of equality for all supposedly this to me is disgraceful

Fol20

You can’t get legal advice on this forum . Talk to your solicitor if your going down that route

banie01

Management reserve the right of admission.
If you haven't been discriminated against on one of the specific grounds laid out in the discrimination act, then there's nothing to be done really.

Atlantic Dawn

If you are white, straight and Irish then perfectly legal to be refused.

danbrosnan

banie01 wrote: »

Management reserve the right of admission.
If you haven't been discriminated against on one of the specific grounds laid out in the discrimination act, then there's nothing to be done really.

Ya I read that act and I trying to figure out can a premises discriminate on the basis of where you from so because I am not a local?

banie01

danbrosnan wrote: »

Ya I read that act and I trying to figure out can a premises discriminate on the basis of where you from so because I am not a local?

Is your residence mentioned as a grounds of discrimination in the act?
There are 9 grounds laid out, residence isn't one of them ergo, its a legitimate right to refuse.

danbrosnan

danbrosnan wrote: »

Ya I read that act and I trying to figure out can a premises discriminate on the basis of where you from so because I am not a local?

Is it possible that a private function was taking place? Have you contacted the management with your complaint?

98q76e12hrflnk

Put up a bad review of the place on the websites that it has reviews for. Thats your best bet and get some others to leave a bad review. They hire a bouncer to keep non locals out LOL

davetherave

danbrosnan wrote: »

Ya I read that act and I trying to figure out can a premises discriminate on the basis of where you from so because I am not a local?

Have another read of it, you might have missed this bit.

Gender, marital status, family status, age, disability, sexual orientation, race, religion, and membership of the Traveller.

Franz Von Peppercorn

banie01 wrote: »

Is your residence mentioned as a grounds of discrimination in the act?
There are 9 grounds laid out, residence isn't one of them ergo, its a legitimate right to refuse.

Except residence is clearly borderline. If the locals are mostly white Irish for instance, it’s backdoor racism. In fact I’d say it’s not laid out because it’s so uncommon, but is implied.

banie01

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Except residence is clearly borderline. If the locals are mostly white Irish for instance, it’s backdoor racism. In fact I’d say it’s not laid out because it’s so uncommon, but is implied.

You could make that argument, but the act as laid out gives specific definition as to what is classed as discriminatory.
The "locals only" is also easily interpreted as "regulars only" and by the op's info he is not a regular so it would be a legitimate stop.

matrim

danbrosnan wrote: »

Need sone help here I was at a pattern day in a small village not far from me with my daughter, we went to try and purchase some showjumping gear for my daughter, it was absolutely lashing rain and we wanted to get a bowl of soup and when entering a pub/restaurant I was refused with my daughter entry into the premises, the bouncer then stated that because I wasn't a resident or a local then I couldn't enter, to say I was shamed and felt highly discriminated against is an understatement, my daughter who is a local was getting soaked and we wanted some shelter more then anything! Where do I stand here? This can't be legal? Let me point out there was no drink involved as I don't drink alcohol and we were completely law abiding and respectful! The bouncer was smirking and smiling as we passed the premises also driving home!

Did your daughter mention that she was a resident of the area?

OldMrBrennan83

If you can, destroy them online.

christy02

Is the op a member of the travelling community, as this is one of the grounds of discrimination?

whomitconcerns

Patww79 wrote: »

If you can, destroy them online.

Yes..ruin someones business cos you got wet.....crazy.

Op move on and forget it

OldMrBrennan83

whomitconcerns wrote: »

Yes..ruin someones business cos you got wet.....crazy.

Op move on and forget it

They shouldn't be stopping people coming in and they shouldn't get away with it.

whomitconcerns

Patww79 wrote: »

whomitconcerns wrote: »

Yes..ruin someones business cos you got wet.....crazy.

Op move on and forget it

They shouldn't be stopping people coming in and they shouldn't get away with it.

Patww79 wrote: »

whomitconcerns wrote: »

Yes..ruin someones business cos you got wet.....crazy.

Op move on and forget it

They shouldn't be stopping people coming in and they shouldn't get away with it.

Why shouldnt they...its their business their choice..anyway....im out

OldMrBrennan83

whomitconcerns wrote: »

Why shouldnt they...its their business their choice..anyway....im out

IwantthelastwordnowImout

GerardKeating

danbrosnan wrote: »

Ya I read that act and I trying to figure out can a premises discriminate on the basis of where you from so because I am not a local?

Only if "Local" could be reasonable inferred to refer to one of the nine listed grounds under the act, which is someone you can answer.

Franz Von Peppercorn

whomitconcerns wrote: »

Why shouldnt they...its their business their choice..anyway....im out

Ok but what’s wrong with a bad review then? They can choose to exclude locals and someone can review that situation on a website.

fishy_fishy

Why not contact management and ask whether it is their policy?

Maybe it was a power tripping bouncer, maybe there was a funeral afters on and the family asked them to keep it to locals only (lest they get landed with an enormous bill)?

Give them the opportunity to reply. They might appreciate it if there's a bouncer gone rogue denying them business, or there might have been a legit reason, or they might be assholes. Whatever the reason, try to find it. If they're just assholes or don't respond, then crucify them online.

Sleeper12

The management reserves the right to refuse admission.

Any business can refuse to let you in.

It's best practice not to give a reason as giving a reason encourages money grabbers to try sue them.

Don't give a reason & they can't sue them

Sleeper12

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote:

Except residence is clearly borderline. If the locals are mostly white Irish for instance, it’s backdoor racism. In fact I’d say it’s not laid out because it’s so uncommon, but is implied.

I wonder would they let in local travellers?

matrim

whomitconcerns wrote: »

Yes..ruin someones business cos you got wet.....crazy.

Op move on and forget it

If they only let in locals then a bad review online is unlikely to ruin their business

CeilingFly

There's probably a simpler explanation


They heard that there were travellers in the area and as they cannot discriminate against travellers they had two options

1. "Private Party" notice, but that is not as effective as it used to be

or

2. Local residents only. As such rule must be applied to all and cannot just be applied to one section, the OP got caught out by it and the doorperson could not tell you the REAL reason behind the policy that day.


Usually such rules by coincidence apply on days when a traveller wedding or a traveller funeral is in the area.

Hannibal_Smith

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Ok but what’s wrong with a bad review then? They can choose to exclude locals and someone can review that situation on a website.

If they only want locals on their premises, it doesn't sound like they want knowledge of their establishment to reach very far. Why would a bad review matter to them?

On a side note, what kind of place has a bouncer on the door in the afternoon? Would you want your daughter going in to a place like that?

98q76e12hrflnk

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote:

Except residence is clearly borderline. If the locals are mostly white Irish for instance, it’s backdoor racism. In fact I’d say it’s not laid out because it’s so uncommon, but is implied.

Are we seriously using the word racism. It has lost all value clearly. Backdoor rasism ive heard it all now.

eezipc

Seems very strange. How did the bouncer know you were not a local? Bouncer could not have known everyone in the locality.

CeilingFly

Just copped it - Pattern Day is in some areas a gathering of travellers, hence the doorman being there in the afternoon and the publican deciding that the only way to protect his bar from travellers is to have it locals only during the days of the event.

locum-motion

OldMrBrennan83

CeilingFly wrote: »

Just copped it - Pattern Day is in some areas a gathering of travellers, hence the doorman being there in the afternoon and the publican deciding that the only way to protect his bar from travellers is to have it locals only during the days of the event.

Is it? Pattern Day where I'm from is the annual blessing of the graves.

the dark phantom

Patww79 wrote: »

They shouldn't be stopping people coming in and they shouldn't get away with it.

Never on my travels have I seen the blatant discrimination that I have seen in Ireland.

Hitman3000

the dark phantom wrote:

Never on my travels have I seen the blatant discrimination that I have seen in Ireland.

Guessed you haven't travelled so....

Del2005

the dark phantom wrote: »

Never on my travels have I seen the blatant discrimination that I have seen in Ireland.

You must not travel very much. Most of the world is built on discrimination. The middle east treats nationals from the far east terribly. The whole of Africa and most of the Americas has terrible discrimination. But you think that a person refused service in a pub is the worse discrimination that you have seen.

dartboardio

Yes they reserve the right to refuse admission unfortunately. A pub by my house has a sign in the window saying only locals.

the dark phantom

The fact that so many of ye think its nothing to worry about or it isn't important proves my point. People shouldn't be refused entry to any premises unless they have previous form.

Franz Von Peppercorn

declan2693 wrote: »

Are we seriously using the word racism. It has lost all value clearly. Backdoor rasism ive heard it all now.

I didn’t my think you followed my argument there, bubba.

bucketybuck

Patww79 wrote: »

They shouldn't be stopping people coming in and they shouldn't get away with it.

A private business should be able to stop whoever the **** they want from coming into the premises that they own.

The law protects certain classes from discrimination and that is a good thing, but outside of that who are you to tell a private business what they can or cannot do.

the dark phantom wrote: »

The fact that so many of ye think its nothing to worry about or it isn't important proves my point. People shouldn't be refused entry to any premises unless they have previous form.

This is rather ignorant of one particular reality, the reality that discrimination happens every day in a multitude of ways, and that there is nothing wrong with it.

Just in terms of pubs you can have over 21 policies, over 23 policies, ladies nights, mens nights, club nights, regulars nights, and any amount of nights that discriminate against people outside the target market for that particular bar.

People shouldn't be refused entry to any premises? Rubbish. If I own the building then I will decide who I want to allow in, not you, and as long as I don't break the law then I have every right to do so.

OldMrBrennan83

bucketybuck wrote: »

A private business should be able to stop whoever the **** they want from coming into the premises that they own.

The law protects certain classes from discrimination and that is a good thing, but outside of that who are you to tell a private business what they can or cannot do.

So you can't stop certain people coming in as they're protected, but you can blanket ban to cover everyone else? That's worse.

Mrcaramelchoc

godtabh wrote: »

Move on and forget about as just one of those things

How about you move on and everyone else in here will discuss it like adults.i bloody hate that dismissive attitude.

colm_mcm

Was it Ballyheigue?

bucketybuck

Patww79 wrote: »

So you can't stop certain people coming in as they're protected, but you can blanket ban to cover everyone else? That's worse.

Not worse, because not accurate.

You can stop absolutely anybody coming onto your premises, as long as your reason for doing so is not solely because they belong to one of those protected classes.

And even then you can still discriminate, hence pubs being allowed to have over 25 nights despite age being one of those protected classes.

Timberrrrrrrr

the dark phantom wrote: »

The fact that so many of ye think its nothing to worry about or it isn't important proves my point. People shouldn't be refused entry to any premises unless they have previous form.

So if you live in a private apartment block with a security door are you saying anyone should be allowed in?

The fact is bars/clubs/restaurants/hotels and any other business certainly should and thankfully do have the right to admit whomever they wish.

the dark phantom

bucketybuck wrote: »

A private business should be able to stop whoever the **** they want from coming into the premises that they own.

The law protects certain classes from discrimination and that is a good thing, but outside of that who are you to tell a private business what they can or cannot do.



This is rather ignorant of one particular reality, the reality that discrimination happens every day in a multitude of ways, and that there is nothing wrong with it.

Just in terms of pubs you can have over 21 policies, over 23 policies, ladies nights, mens nights, club nights, regulars nights, and any amount of nights that discriminate against people outside the target market for that particular bar.

People shouldn't be refused entry to any premises? Rubbish. If I own the building then I will decide who I want to allow in, not you, and as long as I don't break the law then I have every right to do so.

So if you own a restaurant/bar, You think its appropriate to stop a mother and daughter who just want soup ? Based on nothing that they have done, Says a lot about you then doesn't it

Seth Brundle

the dark phantom wrote: »

So if you own a restaurant/bar, You think its appropriate to stop a mother and daughter who just want soup ? Based on nothing that they have done, Says a lot about you then doesn't it

Oversimplifying the background to this slightly, I suspect.

Del2005

the dark phantom wrote: »

So if you own a restaurant/bar, You think its appropriate to stop a mother and daughter who just want soup ? Based on nothing that they have done, Says a lot about you then doesn't it

Since the OPs daughter was a local there's as usual an important bit left out of the story. But if a company refuses my entry for any reason I just consider it a business I shall never frequent again so its their loss not mine, there's plenty of places to get soup etc

punisher5112

I would hazard a guess there is more to this story.

Were yee dressed up in tracksuit and runners, looking run down or something?

The door staff if they believe there could be an issue then they use their discretion.

How do they know you just went for soup? And I don't see what that has to do with being refused entry.

Donald Trump

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So if you live in a private apartment block with a security door are you saying anyone should be allowed in?

The fact is bars/clubs/restaurants/hotels and any other business certainly should and thankfully do have the right to admit whomever they wish.

Bullshit.


If a business has to have a licence/planning to operate, and the lack of a licence/planning prevents random competition from springing up then conditions must rightly be attached to the licence.

Timberrrrrrrr

Donald Trump wrote: »

Bullshit.


If a business has to have a licence/planning to operate, and the lack of a licence/planning prevents random competition from springing up then conditions must rightly be attached to the licence.

And conditions are attached to said licence, the fact of the matter is though that as a business they have the absolute right to refuse entry/service to whomever they wish as long as by doing so they don't break the law.