Should Dublin ban Burqas and Hijabs?

04-09-2018 02:03PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

What if say 5000 white catholic people in your area suddenly decided to turn your back on the RCC and convert to Islam?

Would you still be as upset about it or would it only be the darker foreign ones you wouldn't want in your back yard?

Or be upset about both options rather than having to choose between them?

Lets consider the religious conversion for those who convert to Islam, and I'd consider them to fall into two primary categories.

a) Those who are going through the motions embracing the religion on the surface, but ultimately keeping their western perception. These people are like tourists. They might visit mecca and go through required gestures but still believe in equality for women or other very western concepts. Awesome. Just the right kind of Muslims... But let's face it, that they're pretty rare, and tend to become far more traditional as they become older.

and

b) Those who whole-heatedly embrace Islam, and jump down the rabbit hole embracing the more fundamental beliefs. A complete 180 degree change in perspective, with a rush to remove all the contamination that western culture provided. You can see these kinds of people in those who change allegiances and actually fight for Isis, or join grooming gangs.

For myself... I don't want a Dominant Islamic culture in Ireland (or Europe). I don't want communities where my nieces are assaulted (verbally/physically) because they don't dress or behave as Muslim women. This is Ireland, and should have Irish cultural habits. It's fine to welcome Muslims to Ireland, but only as long, as they're accepting that their beliefs are not ever to be projected on to others. Never. Ever. No chance of. None. Zip. Nadda.

But... here's the thing. Those who defend Islam in Europe are the very people who would support changes in our society/culture/laws to make Muslims equal with the Irish...

Except, of course, Islam (or Muslims) doesn't seek to be equal, since their religion/culture tells them that there can't be any competing ideologies.. It really is amazing how much people try to ignore this. Both Mohammad and the Koran have identified themselves as being the one true faith and it is the Duty of Muslims to remove/absorb other faiths. That's not open to interpretation... that's a pretty clear order. And I've seen no movement within Islamic groups to change that order to say "let's peacefully coexist and respect other cultures especially when we're in their countries"..

dennispenn · 04-09-2018 02:04PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

I dont want any churches near me but such is life. Freedom of religion is part of living in a free society, you may not lile it but there wouldnt be much you can do about it.

You can always leave Ireland or move somewhere there are no churches.
You are not a tree.

You sounding like one of those people who have bought a house near crokepark and complain that about the sporting and musical event's being held there.

ohnonotgmail · 04-09-2018 02:04PM

Taytoland wrote: »

Go build them somewhere else. Why should I accept it? Talk about secularizing society and yet people are happy for the largest enemy against secularism namely Islam to expand. It makes no sense.

I'm sure muslims are as keen to live next to you as you are to live next to them.

Timberrrrrrrr · 04-09-2018 02:08PM

Danzy wrote: »

That is nice, relevance though?

When people convert to a faith with militancy at its core, it has a fall out.

It is like a non political person converting to Fascism or Social democracy.

Ideology matters.

Do you know or work with any Muslims? Have they tried to convert you by any means?

Timberrrrrrrr · 04-09-2018 02:10PM

dennispenn wrote: »

100% NO.
and nowhere have I suggested this.

I am in favor of an ethno state and so are all right minded people.

Ok so lets say Ireland became an ethno state tomorrow.

How do you see things going?

What happens to muslim people born here? What happens to other non christian denominations born here?

Tell us your vision of an Irish ethno state please.

Timberrrrrrrr · 04-09-2018 02:11PM

Taytoland wrote: »

Go build them somewhere else. Why should I accept it? Talk about secularizing society and yet people are happy for the largest enemy against secularism namely Islam to expand. It makes no sense.

NIMBYISM at its finest :rolleyes:

dennispenn · 04-09-2018 02:12PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Hundreds of thousands have turned thier back on the RCC in recent years and turned to atheism (not a religion but certainly a different ideology) and i havent seen much of a change to Ireland other than less people going to church services.

Why would 5000 leaving the RCC and converting to Islam have a negative affect? I haven't made any such racist accusations at all i just asked was it foreign muslims he doesnt want or ALL muslims?

It's pretty obvious why people are leaving the Church.

The figure's on Muslims is sketchy to say the least.
You can't leave the religion for starters. It's not looked upon kindly. They get very upset with this.

If you are born in Turkey you are automatically assumed to be Muslim regardless of your faith.
The census there is untrustworthy.

Islam,being only 1400 years old has spread like a Cancer across Africa and Asia in a violent conquest.the choice given to natives is submit your will to Allah or die a kufar.

Don't be so gullible.

PlaneSpeeking · 04-09-2018 02:13PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Do you know or work with any Muslims? Have they tried to convert you by any means?

Convert ? No.

Ban alcohol at student events as they don't like it ? Yes
Ensure that EVERYTHING the staff and student restaurant serves is Halal ? Yes
Try to close down the Lesbian and Gay groups ? Yes
Be given a "religious exemption" to sexual health and consent classes ? Yes
Treat female staff in authority like dirt and have it excused ? Yes

04-09-2018 02:13PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

How many aggresive Muslims have you come into contact with recently?

Quite a few actually.

I've been traveling around Ireland/Europe visiting friends/family before I return to China. You know the gig. Stay at their places, go eat locally on a budget, go out for drinks etc.

And I have encountered quite a few groups of Muslims (or those of M.East ethnicity) who were hostile, aggressive and sometimes violent. I've seen them be offensive to women walking past them in the streets in both the UK and France. I've seen Muslim guys walk into cafes picking fights with the locals in Spain (and vice versa).

Fact is... compared with the last time I did this trip a decade ago, Europe has turned rather violent. Not the case of every night or every time I went outside, but these types of encounters were far more common than I expected. Sure, parts of the UK were always a bit rough, as were many French cities, but those of M.Eastern Ethnicity played a major part of the fights or issues I saw this time around. And from conversations with those who lived there... they suggested that things had changed dramatically within the last decade.

PlaneSpeeking · 04-09-2018 02:16PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Quite a few actually.

I've been traveling around Ireland/Europe visiting friends/family before I return to China. You know the gig. Stay at their places, go eat locally on a budget, go out for drinks etc.

And I have encountered quite a few groups of Muslims (or those of M.East ethnicity) who were hostile, aggressive and sometimes violent. I've seen them be offensive to women walking past them in the streets in both the UK and France. I've seen Muslim guys walk into cafes picking fights with the locals in Spain (and vice versa).

Fact is... compared with the last time I did this trip a decade ago, Europe has turned rather violent. Not the case of every night or every time I went outside, but these types of encounters were far more common than I expected. Sure, parts of the UK were always a bit rough, as were many French cities, but those of M.Eastern Ethnicity played a major part of the fights or issues I saw this time around. And from conversations with those who lived there... they suggested that things had changed dramatically within the last decade.

Lyon last November - I'm a big girl and can take care of myself but Jesus I never went near that town square alone.

Like seeing a pack of lions stalking prey.

04-09-2018 02:17PM

dennispenn wrote: »

You can't leave the religion for starters. It's not looked upon kindly. They get very upset with this.

You can't leave Christianity easily either. Once you're baptized and registered... you need official recognition from the Church to be removed, and they don't give it out often.

Go on, do some research. You'll see the difficulties involved.

Timberrrrrrrr · 04-09-2018 02:17PM

dennispenn wrote: »

You can always leave Ireland or move somewhere there are no churches.
You are not a tree.

I no longer live in ireland i now live in the UK, You know.....that place where all of the anti islam posters think white people are in the minority and you cant walk the streets after sunset for fear of being jumped by muslim gangs.

You sounding like one of those people who have bought a house near crokepark and complain that about the sporting and musical event's being held there.

Couldnt give a tiny shiney sh1te about croker but would defo join any protests if that gobsh1te garth brookes ever chanced his arm again

PlaneSpeeking · 04-09-2018 02:18PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

I no longer live in ireland i now live in the UK, You know.....that place where all of the anti islam posters think white people are in the minority and you cant walk the streets after sunset for fear of being jumped by muslim gangs.

Couldnt give a tiny shiney sh1te about croker but would defo join any protests if that gobsh1te garth brookes ever chanced his arm again

I take it nowhere near Bolton or Boltonistan as my mae who lives there calls it ?

He won't even drive down one of the streets - the Bangladeshi flag and gangs at either end are a tad offputting.

dennispenn · 04-09-2018 02:19PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Ok so lets say Ireland became an ethno state tomorrow.

How do you see things going?

What happens to muslim people born here? What happens to other non christian denominations born here?

Tell us your vision of an Irish ethno state please.

Ireland is an ethno state right now.

Timberrrrrrrr · 04-09-2018 02:20PM

dennispenn wrote: »

It's pretty obvious why people are leaving the Church.

The figure's on Muslims is sketchy to say the least.
You can't leave the religion for starters. It's not looked upon kindly. They get very upset with this.

Send me a link to where i can leave the RCC and get my name off thier books?

If you are born in Turkey you are automatically assumed to be Muslim regardless of your faith.
The census there is untrustworthy.

Pretty much the same in dear old ireland.

Christianity ,being only 2000 years old has spread like a Cancer across Africa and Asia in a violent conquest.the choice given to natives is submit your will to God or die.

Don't be so gullible.

See what i did there?

04-09-2018 02:21PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

I no longer live in ireland i now live in the UK, You know.....that place where all of the anti islam posters think white people are in the minority and you cant walk the streets after sunset for fear of being jumped by muslim gangs.

Am I an anti-Islam poster? just curious.

Taytoland · 04-09-2018 02:21PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Taytoland wrote: »

Go build them somewhere else. Why should I accept it? Talk about secularizing society and yet people are happy for the largest enemy against secularism namely Islam to expand. It makes no sense.

NIMBYISM at its finest :rolleyes:

Plenty of Islamic countries, build as much as they want.

Dannyriver · 04-09-2018 02:22PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Send me a link to where i can leave the RCC and get my name off thier books?

Pretty much the same in dear old ireland.

See what i did there?

Go Timber on a roll:D

PlaneSpeeking · 04-09-2018 02:24PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Send me a link to where i can leave the RCC and get my name off thier books?

Pretty much the same in dear old ireland.

See what i did there?

Yeah, invented something that wasn't true.

Danzy · 04-09-2018 02:24PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Quite a few actually.

I've been traveling around Ireland/Europe visiting friends/family before I return to China. You know the gig. Stay at their places, go eat locally on a budget, go out for drinks etc.

And I have encountered quite a few groups of Muslims (or those of M.East ethnicity) who were hostile, aggressive and sometimes violent. I've seen them be offensive to women walking past them in the streets in both the UK and France. I've seen Muslim guys walk into cafes picking fights with the locals in Spain (and vice versa).

Fact is... compared with the last time I did this trip a decade ago, Europe has turned rather violent. Not the case of every night or every time I went outside, but these types of encounters were far more common than I expected. Sure, parts of the UK were always a bit rough, as were many French cities, but those of M.Eastern Ethnicity played a major part of the fights or issues I saw this time around. And from conversations with those who lived there... they suggested that things had changed dramatically within the last decade.

Merkel was a genius when it came to breaking down the idea of the Social State and the idea of society.

She leaves Thatcher and Reagan sitting in dust.

Grayson · 04-09-2018 02:25PM

Taytoland wrote: »

Go build them somewhere else. Why should I accept it? Talk about secularizing society and yet people are happy for the largest enemy against secularism namely Islam to expand. It makes no sense.

That's the point of secularism. You don't interfere with religions and they don't interfere with the state.

When you consider the damage that was done by the church you should be against churches being opened. They have abused thousands of people. Yet some people get their knickers in a twist about a different religion that contains feck all followers in Ireland. And ignore the one that's here and has caused damage.

I'm grand with mosques being built. I'd be as happy about one of them next door to me as I would be about a church next door to me. Which is to say not much, but if they obey all the correct building regulations then they can work away.

I work with muslims and I want them to have the same rights as everyone else. What religion you are shouldn't ever determine the rights you have.

Dannyriver · 04-09-2018 02:27PM

Grayson wrote: »

That's the point of secularism. You don't interfere with religions and they don't interfere with the state.

When you consider the damage that was done by the church you should be against churches being opened. They have abused thousands of people. Yet some people get their knickers in a twist about a different religion that contains feck all followers in Ireland. And ignore the one that's here and has caused damage.

I'm grand with mosques being built. I'd be as happy about one of them next door to me as I would be about a church next door to me. Which is to say not much, but if they obey all the correct building regulations then they can work away.

I work with muslims and I want them to have the same rights as everyone else. What religion you are shouldn't ever determine the rights you have.

But but they want to take over Europe...every one of them its in the Koran...they have to do it ...it says it in the Koran...didn t you know ...they have to do everything it says in the Koran...they have to ..all of them ..didn't you know that?

Taytoland · 04-09-2018 02:30PM

Grayson wrote: »

Taytoland wrote: »

Go build them somewhere else. Why should I accept it? Talk about secularizing society and yet people are happy for the largest enemy against secularism namely Islam to expand. It makes no sense.

That's the point of secularism. You don't interfere with religions and they don't interfere with the state.

When you consider the damage that was done by the church you should be against churches being opened. They have abused thousands of people. Yet some people get their knickers in a twist about a different religion that contains feck all followers in Ireland. And ignore the one that's here and has caused damage.

I'm grand with mosques being built. I'd be as happy about one of them next door to me as I would be about a church next door to me. Which is to say not much, but if they obey all the correct building regulations then they can work away.

I work with muslims and I want them to have the same rights as everyone else. What religion you are shouldn't ever determine the rights you have.

If Islam get's a large following and grip in Ireland it will make the Catholic Church look like small fry to the social consequences.

dennispenn · 04-09-2018 03:27PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Send me a link to where i can leave the RCC and get my name off thier books?

Pretty much the same in dear old ireland.

See what i did there?

You are not a Catholic. That's fine. You have no faith. That's perfectly acceptable and understandable Good luck to you.

Now I'm going to say a little prayer and I'm going to let you in on it,its for you. Hope you like it.

Dear God.

Please help Timberrrrr locate to a place in the UK so that he won't be near a church. If it means changing his job so be it,but please make his job a stimulating one and enriching.
Hope I'm not asking for a lot here, perhaps his location might be in smallheath in Birmingham or better still saville town in Yorkshire where a job delivering parcels will be sufficient. He didnt complain about the multitude of screeching that mask's as the call to prayer as the different mosques compete for awfulness it was only church bells that annoy him and his type. Anyway,
The stimulation comes from the learning he will have to do in the new language, Urdu. Obviously he will have to learn it in his new soroundings to communicate and integrate himself in their society. I didn't ask him but I assume he will integrate into their cultural ways and not be an oddball an offend them for example by going out and buying a dog and the like.
Haven forbid as this type of behavior would be really upsetting for the Asian British.

Thank you. In return for this request, I will continue to highlight to the kufars the Domesday they are sleepwalking into.

Dannyriver · 04-09-2018 03:32PM

dennispenn wrote: »

You are not a Catholic. That's fine. You have no faith. That's perfectly acceptable and understandable Good luck to you.

Now I'm going to say a little prayer and I'm going to let you in on it,its for you. Hope you like it.

Dear God.

Please help Timberrrrr locate to a place in the UK so that he won't be near a church. If it means changing his job so be it,but please make his job a stimulating one and enriching.
Hope I'm not asking for a lot here, perhaps his location might be in smallheath in Birmingham or better still saville town in Yorkshire where a job delivering parcels will be sufficient. He didnt complain about the multitude of screeching that mask's as the call to prayer as the different mosques compete for awfulness it was only church bells that annoy him and his type. Anyway,
The stimulation comes from the learning he will have to do in the new language, Urdu. Obviously he will have to learn it in his new soroundings to communicate and integrate himself in their society. I didn't ask him but I assume he will integrate into their cultural ways and not be an oddball an offend them for example by going out and buying a dog and the like.
Haven forbid as this type of behavior would be really upsetting for the Asian British.

Thank you. In return for this request, I will continue to highlight to the kufars the Domesday they are sleepwalking into.

Bloody hell... I can see why you didn t think that anti trump supporter wasn't suffering with her mental health now...I'm sorry you are so afraid and angry it cant be nice for you.

Timberrrrrrrr · 04-09-2018 03:41PM

dennispenn wrote: »

You are not a Catholic. That's fine. You have no faith. That's perfectly acceptable and understandable Good luck to you.

According to the RCC i am.

Now I'm going to say a little prayer and I'm going to let you in on it,its for you. Hope you like it.

Go for it :rolleyes:

Dear God.

Please help Timberrrrr locate to a place in the UK so that he won't be near a church. If it means changing his job so be it,but please make his job a stimulating one and enriching.

Spell my name correctly, otherwise your sky fairy will think you are praying fimor someone else! Also i have a very satisfying and well rewarding job.

Hope I'm not asking for a lot here, perhaps his location might be in smallheath in Birmingham or better still saville town in Yorkshire where a job delivering parcels will be sufficient.

I live in a lovely town in cheshire sorry to disappoint you.

He didnt complain about the multitude of screeching that mask's as the call to prayer as the different mosques compete for awfulness it was only church bells that annoy him and his type.

Bells, calls to prayer, its all noise to me kiddo.

Anyway,
The stimulation comes from the learning he will have to do in the new language, Urdu.

I actually live in what i would describe as possibly one of the whitest places i have ever been. Think there is 2 or 3 indian guys who run a couple of the local shops and thats it.

Obviously he will have to learn it in his new soroundings to communicate and integrate himself in their society. I didn't ask him but I assume he will integrate into their cultural ways and not be an oddball an offend them for example by going out and buying a dog and the like.

Too much fail in here to even bother, you should have stopped after the last lame paragraph.

Haven forbid as this type of behavior would be really upsetting for the Asian British.

Buying a dog offends asian british? I'm gonna need some background on this one kiddo.

Thank you. In return for this request, I will continue to highlight to the kufars the Domesday they are sleepwalking into.

3 words I'm sure you have heard many times over your life

MUST

TRY

HARDER!

dennispenn · 04-09-2018 03:42PM

Dannyriver wrote: »

Bloody hell... I can see why you didn t think that anti trump supporter wasn't suffering with her mental health now...I'm sorry you are so afraid and angry it cant be nice for you.

I've no idea what you are on about or who you are talking about. Nor do I want to know.

It's not anger issues I have and your infantile posting style won't be getting a rise out of me. I'd much rather concentrate my attention on educating you kufars what you are not questioning.

dennispenn · 04-09-2018 03:45PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

According to the RCC i am.

Go for it :rolleyes:

Spell my name correctly, otherwise your sky fairy will think you are praying fimor someone else! Also i have a very satisfying and well rewarding job.

I live in a lovely town in cheshire sorry to disappoint you.

Bells, calls to prayer, its all noise to me kiddo.

I actually live in what i would describe as possibly one of the whitest places i have ever been. Think there is 2 or 3 indian guys who run a couple of the local shops and thats it.

Too much fail in here to even bother, you should have stopped after the last lame paragraph.

Buying a dog offends asian british? I'm gonna need some background on this one kiddo.

3 words I'm sure you have heard many times over your life

MUST

TRY

HARDER!

Ah,that explains a lot. The kufar lives. In a primarily white British town and is oblivious to the changes that are happening because they don't affect him. Gotcha!

Wibbs · 04-09-2018 03:52PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Send me a link to where i can leave the RCC and get my name off thier books?

Since 09 it's been removed as an official thing, but it's quite easy to leave the Catholic Church and it hasn't been exactly an execution offence for many centuries.

Here's an explanation of it.

When was the last time a Catholic court handed down a verdict of apostasy? When was the last time an ex Catholic was killed for it. You can witter on to your hearts content here about Catholicism being a danger and stain on Ireland and its history. Try doing the same with Islam in Egypt, or Iran, or Saudi Arabia or... well you get the picture. Hopefully.

Pretty much the same in dear old ireland.

No it is not. The majority are assumed to be of Catholic/Christian extraction, but the census is far more reliable.

See what i did there?

Yep and it was the usual blundering ignorant of history stuff and current realities we see in these debates. With a side order of self hatred going on. While nigh all faiths have a murderous past, which faith today is criticism most likely to attract violence? It ain't the Sikhs. Or did you somehow sleep through the Charlie Hebdo killings in Paris, or Theo van Gogh's murder on the streets of Holland, or... well we'd be here all bloody day.

Timberrrrrrrr · 04-09-2018 03:58PM

dennispenn wrote: »

Ah,that explains a lot. The kufar lives. In a primarily white British town and is oblivious to the changes that are happening because they don't affect him. Gotcha!

I live in a town in Cheshire, I travel all over the UK. I have family in Birmingham (Aston, Kingshurst and lozells) You on the other hand seem to rely on what you read in newspapers and you tube video's.

Keep hiding under your bed and worrying about something thats not happening, people like you have always needed a boogie man to be scared of.

Should Dublin ban Burqas and Hijabs?

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