Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 3

seligehgit wrote: »

Aidan got a red card at the death in Newbridge.

League or championship?

Can't recall Doc,Mc Lough's or Boyler getting red cards in the championship?

Doc got red against galway last year. Think mcloughlin got black or red at end of a final when it was already lost.

charolais0153 wrote: »

Doc got red against galway last year. Think mcloughlin got black or red at end of a final when it was already lost.

Nah Zippy saw the line that day.

Mc Lough's was never black or red carded in an All Ireland final.

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Martin Breheny seeing significance in the failure of that dog to bark. Doesn't sound like he really has the inside track though...
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/martin-breheny-is-there-more-to-new-mayo-management-controversy-than-appears-on-the-surface-37262169.html

Mayo have not improved since 2015 - in fact, they went back this year, when in addition to making little impression in the championship, they came within seconds of being relegated to Division 2.

Making 2 All Ireland finals and running one of best teams in history to the pin of their collar 3 times.


Don't let facts get in the way of an argument eh Martin.

charolais0153 wrote: »

I remember the two oconnors getting red one day against galway?

Earlier this year in the league.

BandMember wrote: »

Breheny is an absolute gob****e and never writes anything but drivel. He's only stirring the pot (without any facts, which he admits) because of his big interview with H&C after they were removed. He didn't ask one hard question and let them spout rubbish unchecked. What really infuriates me is that he's written another article of pure speculation, and completely biased speculation at that, which will be taken as truth amongst the general public who will take it at face value and/or fact. He shouldn't be even allowed write in his family newsletter!!

He's a big fan of sticking the boot into the Galway hurlers too and comparing the present with pre-anthony-cunningham-heave.

John Maughan gave a good interview on off the ball last night about his new appointment in Offaly. He was of course asked about the latest Mayo saga but refused to speculate on it and only spoke about what he knew about Rochford. Good luck to him in Offaly. 
Mayo GAA tweeted last night to say a committee has been put together to appoint a new manager.

BandMember wrote: »

Breheny is an absolute gob****e and never writes anything but drivel. He's only stirring the pot (without any facts, which he admits) because of his big interview with H&C after they were removed. He didn't ask one hard question and let them spout rubbish unchecked. What really infuriates me is that he's written another article of pure speculation, and completely biased speculation at that, which will be taken as truth amongst the general public who will take it at face value and/or fact. He shouldn't be even allowed write in his family newsletter!!

Firstly, completely agreed re Breheny, always negative about Mayo.

That said let's examine Rochford's record. Need to acknowledge that he took over one of the very best teams in the country, with most of our key players in their prime.

2016: nearly relegated in the league. Lost to Galway in Connacht. Got to an All Ireland final by beating Westmeath, Tyrone in QF, and Tipp in SF. very good performance by the team over two finals, but ultimately lost with many at least partially blaming management change of GK.

2017: nearly relegated in the league. Lost to Galway in Connacht. Took extra time to beat Derry and Cork, took a reply to beat Roscommon in QF, took replay to beat Kerry in SF. Lost final after another good showing.

2018: nearly relegated in the league. Lost to Galway in Connacht. Feeble after that, didn't make it to July.

Arguably he won 2 big games against decent teams, Tyrone in 2016 (and we all saw what Dublin did to them in 2017) and Kerry in 2017 (and we have seen this year that they are not a great team).

Regardless of how his departure has come about, I'm not sure he has done enough with this team.

muddle84 wrote: »

Its not shutting the door though is it? He is supposedly writing about it in the Star today so maybe thats where that excerpt is coming from.

Exactly .........
Back on his terms or not at all

I’ve a feeling this will drag on now and erode weeks of scouting new players etc for new manager

Blud wrote: »

2016: nearly relegated in the league. Lost to Galway in Connacht. Got to an All Ireland final by beating Westmeath, Tyrone in QF, and Tipp in SF. very good performance by the team over two finals, but ultimately lost with many at least partially blaming management change of GK.

2017: nearly relegated in the league. Lost to Galway in Connacht. Took extra time to beat Derry and Cork, took a reply to beat Roscommon in QF, took replay to beat Kerry in SF. Lost final after another good showing.

I actually think Rochford is a decent manager but the excellent performances in the 2016/17 finals do gloss over what is very mediocre football outside of those games in those years, league and championship, aided by lucky draws and routes. Draws against Derry, Cork and Roscommon are very poor results, as are the Galway losses. The Fermanagh game was a poor performance. The Kerry and Ros replays have to be tempered given how poor they've been since. I'll always remember after the Kerry replay last year, a mayo fan shouting how the bookies always underestimate Mayo, until I pointed out that he'd have done his absolute conkers backing Mayo blind in every game over the preceding years.

On the flip side the Dublin games are insanely good performances and it could be argued that he had a threadbare enough squad and had to pick and choose when to peak. Depends on your reading of it. I'd be inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt and say the latter but I do think Buckley played a massive part in delivering those final performances

Blud wrote: »

Firstly, completely agreed re Breheny, always negative about Mayo.

That said let's examine Rochford's record. Need to acknowledge that he took over one of the very best teams in the country, with most of our key players in their prime.

2016: nearly relegated in the league. Lost to Galway in Connacht. Got to an All Ireland final by beating Westmeath, Tyrone in QF, and Tipp in SF. very good performance by the team over two finals, but ultimately lost with many at least partially blaming management change of GK.

2017: nearly relegated in the league. Lost to Galway in Connacht. Took extra time to beat Derry and Cork, took a reply to beat Roscommon in QF, took replay to beat Kerry in SF. Lost final after another good showing.

2018: nearly relegated in the league. Lost to Galway in Connacht. Feeble after that, didn't make it to July.

Arguably he won 2 big games against decent teams, Tyrone in 2016 (and we all saw what Dublin did to them in 2017) and Kerry in 2017 (and we have seen this year that they are not a great team).

Regardless of how his departure has come about, I'm not sure he has done enough with this team.

"Nearly relegated in the league" nonsense. We actually finished level on points with Kerry in 2017 who contested & won the league final. It is easy to put a negative slant on everything. In alot of these qualifier games we bet who we had to beat. Sure we were terrible in a couple of games, most notably Derry & Roscommon but we did the required always to get through. When it came to the big days we always showed. Tyrone when nobody gave us a hope. Bringing Dublin to a replay when we were expected to be bet by 10 points in 2016. Our greatest ever performance in All-Ireland final was 2017 & now our manager has walked away because the county board weren't happy with him. In 3 years Rochy brought us to 2 All-Ireland finals which is a better recored than the majority of Mayo managers we've had previously.

The world we live in now wants change for the sake of change. Great to hear Lee Keegan this morning taking about a manager with 'tactical know-how' and somebody who will be missed by all the panel.

Suarezistheman wrote: »

"Nearly relegated in the league" nonsense. We actually finished level on points with Kerry in 2017 who contested & won the league final. It is easy to put a negative slant on everything. In alot of these qualifier games we bet who we had to beat. Sure we were terrible in a couple of games, most notably Derry & Roscommon but we did the required always to get through. When it came to the big days we always showed. Tyrone when nobody gave us a hope. Bringing Dublin to a replay when we were expected to be bet by 10 points in 2016. Our greatest ever performance in All-Ireland final was 2017 & now our manager has walked away because the county board weren't happy with him. In 3 years Rochy brought us to 2 All-Ireland finals which is a better recored than the majority of Mayo managers we've had previously.

The world we live in now wants change for the sake of change. Great to hear Lee Keegan this morning taking about a manager with 'tactical know-how' and somebody who will be missed by all the panel.

Interestingly, Keegan was also one of the players who wanted to keep Connelly / Holmes so he must not be a fan of changing managers.

Actually I think Horan is very interested in the job, but rightly wants it on his terms. Contrast with what he said in 2015

'When the vacancy came up, I thought about it, but decided very
quickly that I wouldn’t be letting my name go forward.

I was very privileged to hold the position for four years and work with a
brilliant bunch of players. I thoroughly enjoyed that honour and that
position.'

Now he's saying if I was to manage Mayo again it would be on my terms. So I think there is a certain amount of politicking going on in his piece.

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

Interestingly, Keegan was also one of the players who wanted to keep Connelly / Holmes so he must not be a fan of changing managers.

Indeed very loyal to management.

Suarezistheman wrote: »

Well thats Keegan Higgins & Doherty in recent weeks who have all spoken well of Rochford. So I think it is safe to say there was no player involvement in this decision. Not that that will suit certain people's narrative

Nothing in Seamie's piece either to indicate it was anything other than all systems go under Stephen Rochford and his new selectors.