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Willfarman · 25-08-2018 10:34PM

22 bakes of barley straw lifted from a field in buncloudy a few nights back. 20 bales of hay lifted from a hay shed up a cul de sac lane way with a dwelling house midway as well. 32 euro paid for straw off field. Guys not even asking price just will take it no matter what.

Say my name · 25-08-2018 11:14PM

Willfarman wrote: »

22 bakes of barley straw lifted from a field in buncloudy a few nights back. 20 bales of hay lifted from a hay shed up a cul de sac lane way with a dwelling house midway as well. 32 euro paid for straw off field. Guys not even asking price just will take it no matter what.

Who was that?

Pm probably best.

Danzy · 25-08-2018 11:39PM

Bleating Lamb wrote: »

Is it genuinely being stolen?

Lad, it would be stolen around here, if it was there to be stolen.

Bleating Lamb · 26-08-2018 03:00PM

Willfarman wrote: »

22 bakes of barley straw lifted from a field in buncloudy a few nights back. 20 bales of hay lifted from a hay shed up a cul de sac lane way with a dwelling house midway as well. 32 euro paid for straw off field. Guys not even asking price just will take it no matter what.

Tough on the farmers involved....fairly brazen to take the hay from a cup de sac.

Hard Knocks · 27-08-2018 09:57PM

Was in Mart tonight, prices well back (told by regular), store SIX 480kg heifer unsold €750, forward store CHX heifer 680kg €1220
Cows similar
Forward store HEX 610kg €1000
Store LMX 570kg unsold €770

Was going to bring out a few I’ve weaned that aren’t incalf, guess will have to feed first.
Could you feed barley at grass or is the grass too soft?

TooOldBoots · 27-08-2018 10:16PM

Hard Knocks wrote: »

Was in Mart tonight, prices well back (told by regular), store SIX 480kg heifer unsold €750, forward store CHX heifer 680kg €1220
Cows similar
Forward store HEX 610kg €1000
Store LMX 570kg unsold €770

Was going to bring out a few I’ve weaned that aren’t incalf, guess will have to feed first.
Could you feed barley at grass or is the grass too soft?

Mix 1/3 beef nut through the Barley, they would hardly eat it straight out on grass at the moment

Danzy · 27-08-2018 10:16PM

Hard Knocks wrote: »

Was in Mart tonight, prices well back (told by regular), store SIX 480kg heifer unsold €750, forward store CHX heifer 680kg €1220
Cows similar
Forward store HEX 610kg €1000
Store LMX 570kg unsold €770

Was going to bring out a few I’ve weaned that aren’t incalf, guess will have to feed first.
Could you feed barley at grass or is the grass too soft?

Jayzus, that is handy money for the 6 heifers, not knowing their age or the look of them but ...

As for the store bullocks prices .....

What part of the world was that.

Lady Haywire · 27-08-2018 10:39PM

Danzy wrote: »

Jayzus, that is handy money for the 6 heifers, not knowing their age or the look of them but ...

As for the store bullocks prices .....

What part of the world was that.

Sim x, i'd say, not six.

Danzy · 27-08-2018 10:48PM

Lady Haywire wrote: »

Sim x, i'd say, not six.

ahh yes.

still all the same, there have been worse animals that went for more in other years.

They may not have been great animals but this year in the marts is possibly different.

Hard Knocks · 27-08-2018 11:24PM

Danzy wrote: »

ahh yes.

still all the same, there have been worse animals that went for more in other years.

They may not have been great animals but this year in the marts is possibly different.

Carrigallen Mart
Heifers were mid 2016, & cows had 1 calf LM was 15 & HEX was 15
Other years the SIX & LMX would be €1100-1200, the HEX €1150-1300 & the CHX €1300-1500
There was no demand € will get worse when the grass stock comes out

Hard Knocks · 27-08-2018 11:26PM

TooOldBoots wrote: »

Mix 1/3 beef nut through the Barley, they would hardly eat it straight out on grass at the moment

Would the grass scour them & waist the feeding?
Was advised to put in shed due to this

Lady Haywire · 27-08-2018 11:26PM

Hard Knocks wrote: »

Carrigallen Mart
Heifers were mid 2016, & cows had 1 calf LM was 15 & HEX was 15
Other years the SIX & LMX would be €1100-1200, the HEX €1150-1300 & the CHX €1300-1500
There was no demand € will get worse when the grass stock comes out

How did Owens animals sell? Big rough ch cows?

Hard Knocks · 27-08-2018 11:29PM

Lady Haywire wrote: »

How did Owens animals sell? Big rough ch cows?

Hadn’t gone through, when I left
There was allot of bulls mostly Charolais, looks like few more herds going store or spruce

Lady Haywire · 27-08-2018 11:32PM

Hard Knocks wrote: »

Hadn’t gone through, when I left
There was allot of bulls mostly Charolais, looks like few more herds going store or spruce

Neighbour borrowed our trailer to go off tonight, hasn't come back so I expect there's one home beside me. He sold four drys last week so topping up numbers, always someone to buy.

Never wrestle with pigs · 27-08-2018 11:50PM

If you have enough silage and space what do you think would be a good buy for the winter to sell in spring? Light continental heifers? Or is the best price to sell the extra silage?

Bass Reeves · 28-08-2018 12:35AM

Hard Knocks wrote: »

Was in Mart tonight, prices well back (told by regular), store SIX 480kg heifer unsold €750, forward store CHX heifer 680kg €1220
Cows similar
Forward store HEX 610kg €1000
Store LMX 570kg unsold €770

Was going to bring out a few I’ve weaned that aren’t incalf, guess will have to feed first.
Could you feed barley at grass or is the grass too soft?

Better off with Soya Hulls and Barley or straight Hulls. Weather will turn over next 3-6 weeks. It a case of getting flesh on cattle. Most nuts will be 14%P at minimum. There was a bob in the HEX's except for the QA rule and HE schemes rule. The LMX bullock's as well put 50-60kgs on them with hulls and grass over next 70 days. Killing 315 kgs @ O=3-@ 3.5/kg is 1100 euro.

TooOldBoots wrote: »

Mix 1/3 beef nut through the Barley, they would hardly eat it straight out on grass at the moment

They would eat it issue is the amount they would pass straight hulls or 50/50 hulls barley. It is flesh not height you want.

Danzy wrote: »

Jayzus, that is handy money for the 6 heifers, not knowing their age or the look of them but ...

As for the store bullocks prices .....

What part of the world was that.

The LMX bullock's were the only value there all the rest were a gamble. Those SIX heifers could go to 700kgs before finish even at 650kgs finish and 325 K/O they migh struggle to make 1200 euro. Feed cost's this winter will be 3/day even for heifers.

Never wrestle with pigs wrote: »

If you have enough silage and space what do you think would be a good buy for the winter to sell in spring? Light continental heifers? Or is the best price to sell the extra silage?

It a case of wait and see. We have not even started to touch the bottom yet. But it is my opinion that prices may not be that strong in the spring. Lads will have bills to pay. If 200-250kg continental heifers and bulls hit 1.5/kg they be worth a gamble if they were suckler bred. If you had the silage. Remember nuts in bulk will be 300/ton.

mahoney_j · 28-08-2018 08:37AM

Never wrestle with pigs wrote: »

If you have enough silage and space what do you think would be a good buy for the winter to sell in spring? Light continental heifers? Or is the best price to sell the extra silage?

Sell the silage and have a handy winter

patsy_mccabe · 28-08-2018 08:50AM

For those of you planning on reducing cattle numbers for the winter, how do you manage this tax wise? Is this something you've done before?

orm0nd · 28-08-2018 12:34PM

was in nenagh earlier & had a look in at the mart, depressing prices to say the least , especially in the heifer ring,

heavier bullocks had more of a bite,

only stock I saw unsold were dealer's cattle , people seem to want to offload and move on,

just to put things in context , other years I'd had taken 1 or 2 trailer loads from that sale. but due to fodder situation & feed price, we have already decided not to buy stores,

Danzy · 28-08-2018 12:37PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Those SIX heifers could go to 700kgs before finish even at 650kgs finish and 325 K/O they migh struggle to make 1200 euro. Feed cost's this winter will be 3/day even for heifers.

What if they were kept till next June or a bit longer if prices held, let them reach circa 680- 700 then. It would leave reasonable bit but whether it would be the best opportunity one could take, maybe not.

Certainly, agree that trying to finish cattle with a bit of a push this side of good grass next year is asking for a beating.

marathon · 28-08-2018 12:56PM

Is it better to offload bigger stock in November or wait till spring for improved prices? I have 15 black Whitehead’s I have enough silage for them but the price of the meal is putting me off holding them over winter it’s a conundru. Also if there’s a no deal brexit next spring does that mean the arse falls out beef prices?

Pidae.m · 28-08-2018 01:00PM

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

For those of you planning on reducing cattle numbers for the winter, how do you manage this tax wise? Is this something you've done before?

"luckily" we decided to start a company this time last year and had plans in place to cut back sucklers numbers to a few.
Last Saint Patrick's day I said the tax bill is cheap compared to wintering cattle for summer grazing.

Danzy · 28-08-2018 01:25PM

marathon wrote: »

Is it better to offload bigger stock in November or wait till spring for improved prices? I have 15 black Whitehead’s I have enough silage for them but the price of the meal is putting me off holding them over winter it’s a conundru. Also if there’s a no deal brexit next spring does that mean the arse falls out beef prices?

I think that as the winter goes on, ration and feed will only get tighter and dearer and lads will be even less reluctant to buy in the Spring time.

I wouldn't be surprised if you'd be better off getting them in now.

If the weather breaks, there could be a big glut coming in to marts.

For the last 3 months, most of the marts in Munster and Leinster have been running at very low numbers, those cattle will still have to be sold.

It is all guess work though but it would want to be the latest year in a long time.

Brexit will be can kicked on trade for a few years anyway I suspect or a last minute deal rushed through with Labour support, too much to lose for all sides. The EU, more especially the Eurozone isn't exactly great at creating jobs and growth, it needs to trade easily/readily with that big economy, as they do it.

A complete hard brexit though would be horrendous for this State and maybe fatal for beef farming here.

On a current KG of beef killed at 3.85, there would be a 12.8% tarif on value, ie .49 cents and a 3 euro tariff on KGs

Giving an asking price of 7.34 a KG at least for the fellow selling it to a British shop, 50% of our Beef market.

patsy_mccabe · 28-08-2018 01:32PM

Down my way, lads still haven't cut their second cut. Some goodish weather over the next few weeks and a nice crop should alleviate some worries about winter feed.

TooOldBoots · 28-08-2018 04:11PM

I think farmers have become over pessimisstic. Brexit is Brexit but the 70 million people over there still have to eat. Australia is suffering from its worst drought in history with no sign of any rains there and they are entering their summer. The Chinese are buying up all the excess south american beef. The US can hardly supply their own needs. Where are the British going to get their food from?
Ground is in great condition, dry and warm and by the looks of things ground conditions will at the very worst case hold up for another 10 weeks and with a good autumn we could be looking at having cattle out until mid December.

I've decided to stock up on those cheap stores, I sourced 12 lovely wh stores bullocks 17 month old 430kg €700 euros, cheap as chips and still a full year away from 30 months. I'll take more when I get them too!

cute geoge · 28-08-2018 04:14PM

By 12 months time ,what weight should have on them wh bought for €700?

TooOldBoots · 28-08-2018 04:27PM

I expect to have them over 650kg by May next year. Thats only a 220 kg weight gain so it should be easily done. Just in time for the Wedding season when their always seems to be a shortage of finished cattle

patsy_mccabe · 28-08-2018 04:33PM

TooOldBoots wrote: »

....... Just in time for the Wedding season when their always seems to be a shortage of finished cattle

What if everyone goes for salmon next year? :cool:

TooOldBoots · 28-08-2018 04:38PM

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

What if everyone goes for salmon next year? :cool:

Feck hadn't thought of that! :eek:

Bass Reeves · 28-08-2018 05:38PM

I would not let the price of ration stop me from over wintering stores if I had enough fodder. Reading todays indo we have not seen the borttom yet. Bigger finishers are selling silage rather than filling sheds and buying ration. Big difference between feeding 3kgs/day and 10kg/day to finishing cattle. On stores higher ration prices add 15-25c/head/day. On a 80 day winter asssuming you stop 40 days before turnout to benefit from compensatory growth it is about 16 euro/head over the winter. Personnelly I never feed stores meal over the winter.

The issue with overwinter this year is if you do not have fodder. Bales at 40 to 50 euro delivered into your yard will leave no margin especially if you end up buying poorer quality silage. If it was me I be looking at friesian stores which are trading in the 1-1.2/kg bracket. A 450 kg store for 500 euro. If he put on 220kg like the WH bullocks he weight 670 kgs next May/June

WH bullock 430kgs costing 700 euro. 650 kgs next May KO=335kgs O+ @4.2/kg=1407 euro. Gross margin=707 euro

Friesian 450 cosing 500 euro. 670kgs next May/June KO= 325kgs O-@ 3.9/kg=1267 euro. Gross margin= 767 euro.

I actually expect the Friesian to gain more weight than the WH if both were treated exactly the same.

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