Aer Lingus Fleet/Routes Discussion

Gael23 · 27-08-2018 08:20AM

Tenger wrote: »

EI made priceless PR out of the footage. I wouldn’t be surprised if we see a video of the visit on their blog.
Personally I can’t see and IAG owned Aer Lingus voluntarily taking a financial hit on this situation. As posted abou, I’m sure they dropped a flight or two from their normal Sunday schedule.

The furor nationwide about the cost of this visit boggles my mind. Ireland was hosting a global conference and Irish companies were providing the services for the Papal visit. Thus Ireland Inc wins.
The cost borne by the state for security and traffic control is possibly balanced by the influx of visitors and cash to the country.

Those A321s are not really in regular use these days though are they?

EchoIndia · 27-08-2018 08:45AM

MICKEYG wrote: »

EchoIndia wrote: »

Paid for what?

The cost of using two EI planes in a stretched fleet to transport the Pope and his entourage back to Rome.

As others have said, this was an operation that was planned (in detail), months in advance. No doubt schedules were adjusted to take account of the allocation of two A321s to papal duties. Aer Lingus is a private company so I assume the operation was conducted on commercial terms.

LXFlyer · 27-08-2018 08:57AM

Gael23 wrote: »

Those A321s are not really in regular use these days though are they?

They absolutely are.

VG31 · 28-08-2018 12:14PM

I guess we can say goodbye to the free checked bag and snack/drink then.

iancm25 · 28-08-2018 12:21PM

VG31 wrote: »

I guess we can say goodbye to the free checked bag and snack/drink then.

https://www.cityjet.com/faq.shtml

They will "honour" the free bag but good luck getting a packet of peanuts off EI...

Terrible news for the LCY commuter traffic.

VG31 · 28-08-2018 12:26PM

iancm25 wrote: »

They will "honour" the free bag but good luck getting a packet of peanuts off EI...

It's not included in bookings for after 28 October however, and it's not as if the fares have gone down.

iancm25 · 28-08-2018 12:27PM

Cos many people (including me) far prefer travelling with WX than EI.

Did the route really need saving as you say? It always seemed very popular with the business commuters to me. I don't know the financial numbers involved - if there are relevant links available that would be great.

Qprmeath · 28-08-2018 12:34PM

LXFlyer wrote: »

They absolutely are.

Back out 9am Monday morning after seats were put back in

California Dreamer · 28-08-2018 01:17PM

A coat of green paint will make those 20 year old buckets look like new!!

irlrobins · 28-08-2018 01:49PM

So will this mean EI will be flying Superjets come next year?

kevinandrew · 28-08-2018 01:50PM

CityJet were never going to last much longer, they've made it very clear that ACMI operations is their future and operating a sole route probably wasn't sustainable.

The Aer Lingus brand makes the most sense to continue the route and it'll be good to see them back. My only concern is the age of the aircraft, while popular little machines, the Avro's are getting on a bit and there were reports of them suffering tech issues resulting in cancellations and delays in recent months.

Locker10a · 28-08-2018 01:51PM

California Dreamer wrote: »

A coat of green paint will make those 20 year old buckets look like new!!

Funny that the EI fleet has almost reverted to how it looked in the 90s, over the last few years it’s gone from all airbus to shamrocks featuring on turboprops, Boeing’s and now Avros, granted through leasing

Noxegon · 28-08-2018 01:55PM

This is disappointing if not surprising news.

One interesting change:
"New check-in closure time is 45 minutes prior to flight "

The last time I used this flight I got there 20 minutes before and straight onto the plane.

JCX BXC · 28-08-2018 02:03PM

irlrobins wrote: »

So will this mean EI will be flying Superjets come next year?

No and no!

Cityjet still flying the planes, just in Aer Lingus colours, and I've not heard anything about the RJ's leaving the LCY route!

Locker10a · 28-08-2018 02:04PM

Noxegon wrote: »

This is disappointing if not surprising news.

One interesting change:
"New check-in closure time is 45 minutes prior to flight "

The last time I used this flight I got there 20 minutes before and straight onto the plane.

Just check in online so

Locker10a · 28-08-2018 02:06PM

I wonder what gates this flight will now use ?
And also will EI do anything else with the aircraft on weekends when the LCY schedule is very reduced

kevinandrew · 28-08-2018 02:12PM

JCX BXC wrote: »

irlrobins wrote: »

So will this mean EI will be flying Superjets come next year?

No and no!

Cityjet still flying the planes, just in Aer Lingus colours, and I've not heard anything about the RJ's leaving the LCY route!

The RJ's can't go on forever!

The Sukhoi's were actually earmarked for the LCY route but certification is slow and won't happen before 2020 I'd say.

LeakRate · 28-08-2018 02:25PM

kevinandrew wrote: »

The RJ's can't go on forever!

The Sukhoi's were actually earmarked for the LCY route but certification is slow and won't happen before 2020 I'd say.

The sukhoi's are going back is the rumour I've heard. It will be the RJ

zone 1 · 28-08-2018 02:32PM

Locker10a wrote: »

Funny that the EI fleet has almost reverted to how it looked in the 90s, over the last few years it’s gone from all airbus to shamrocks featuring on turboprops, Boeing’s and now Avros, granted through leasing

whoever is in charge of fleet 1980s are gone this 2018, maybe they should look see is there any ex AL 747s hanging around... soon we will be calling it buffalo airways ////slash lingus

kevinandrew · 28-08-2018 02:37PM

LeakRate wrote: »

kevinandrew wrote: »

The RJ's can't go on forever!

The Sukhoi's were actually earmarked for the LCY route but certification is slow and won't happen before 2020 I'd say.

The sukhoi's are going back is the rumour I've heard. It will be the RJ

Whether they go back or not, the RJ will need replacement sooner or later so CityJet must be looking at its options.

Noxegon · 28-08-2018 03:29PM

The RJ needed replacement years ago. They're no fun at all for taller people.

Locker10a · 28-08-2018 03:48PM

Noxegon wrote: »

The RJ needed replacement years ago. They're no fun at all for taller people.

I’m going to bet if then SSJs go back, CRJs will replace the Avros

kevinandrew · 28-08-2018 03:55PM

Locker10a wrote: »

Noxegon wrote: »

The RJ needed replacement years ago. They're no fun at all for taller people.

I’m going to bet if then SSJs go back, CRJs will replace the Avros

Not LCY certified.

Only options for the future is the SSJ once it's certified, the E-Jet/E2 or CSeries/A220 family. The A220 is limited at LCY due to its size, it's not much smaller than an A320 so Swiss can only have one on the ground at any time!

EchoIndia · 28-08-2018 04:56PM

I wonder how consistently the route will be flown with aircraft in EI livery if just two are so painted.

trellheim · 28-08-2018 05:00PM

This is awful. I can't see a benefit here. Down checked bags and down a drink for the same aircraft that has let me down time and again in LCY . Absolute pain in the bum for no benefit whatsoever ;

if they took a few embraers off BA and painted them green it would be a positive for the experience but now you've the same airline 'competing' against itself just like at LHR with a worse product.

You now have LHR and LCY, the two main business airports , only served from Dub, by the same company, IAG.

Edit I see its moving to Dub T2 as well so expect sheds and bussing as theres no magic gates in T2 to use ( see what I mean about a poorer product ? )

LiamaDelta · 28-08-2018 06:26PM

I wonder if it will be the subject of a competition comission decision. Seems ridiculous to allow the same operators, owned by the same company, operate the only flights on two arterial routes to London.

goingnowhere · 28-08-2018 07:26PM

Is LCY slot restricted? If not its open market conditions, unlike LHR where the slot are held.

Locker10a · 28-08-2018 07:35PM

trellheim wrote: »

This is awful. I can't see a benefit here. Down checked bags and down a drink for the same aircraft that has let me down time and again in LCY . Absolute pain in the bum for no benefit whatsoever ;

if they took a few embraers off BA and painted them green it would be a positive for the experience but now you've the same airline 'competing' against itself just like at LHR with a worse product.

You now have LHR and LCY, the two main business airports , only served from Dub, by the same company, IAG.

Edit I see its moving to Dub T2 as well so expect sheds and bussing as theres no magic gates in T2 to use ( see what I mean about a poorer product ? )

The only benefit here is for CityJet in no longer needing a sales and marketing department! Correct me if I’m wrong but does this mean they won’t sell any seats themselves anymore from Ireland ? Where else is left that they still sell their own seats? Aer Lingus also benefit as they can offer even more connections to London, and frequent EI flyers now have more options to London, business travellers especially.
But I cant see EI being too impressed if the aircraft are constantly delayed and tech.
Also I know all airlines have issues with cabin luggage but with EI charging for luggage I think they’ll really have issues with these planes are the lockers are tiny

Shn99 · 28-08-2018 07:38PM

Locker10a wrote: »

The only benefit here is for CityJet in no longer needing a sales and marketing department! Correct me if I’m wrong but does this mean they won’t sell any seats themselves anymore from Ireland ? Where else is left that they still sell their own seats?

Wont be selling any seats whatsoever. LCY-FLR gone from Sep 30th and then theres LCY-DUB being tsf to Aer Lingus

JCX BXC · 28-08-2018 10:19PM

Shn99 wrote: »

Wont be selling any seats whatsoever. LCY-FLR gone from Sep 30th and then theres LCY-DUB being tsf to Aer Lingus

Yup, bye bye Cityjet!

Cityjet wrote:

In recent years CityJet has transitioned from being an airline serving scheduled markets under its own brand to becoming a provider of capacity to customer airlines throughout Europe. Today CityJet announced that effective from October 27th it will no longer operate scheduled services marketed under its own brand.

It was coming to be fair. I'm surprised they're still operating to be honest!

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