Aer Lingus Fleet/Routes Discussion

Jack1985

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My fear is that EI is being run deliberately on a shoe string to maximise the profits and returns for EI hq bods to show proudly to their IAG overlords. We’ve seen it for the last few years how tight the Atlantic operation is being run, yet here we are another summer later with mass cancellations in Shannon and some in Dublin and hire ins. The operation is being run too tight aircraft wise and ground staff wise.

EI love pointing their finger at the DAA for the delays but rarely admit that they can’t meet their own schedules because they are running it too tight causing their own delays. I don’t know what overlap the DAA allow on stands but I can’t imagine the regular running late of an hour on the TA operation is helping their stand allocation plan.

I couldn't agree with you more. Couple this with staff morale which both in engineering and frontline is evidently rock bottom, completely erratic rostering for Pilots (320/321) and Cabin Crew which continues to screw the operation of flights (look at the state of short-haul). OTP is collapsing from last year, but alas its all frontlines problem and that bloody DAA. It's a pity Mueller didn't last to finish clearing up the mess which has started again.

trellheim

I couldn't agree with you more. Couple this with staff morale which both in engineering and frontline is evidently rock bottom, completely erratic rostering for Pilots (320/321) and Cabin Crew which continues to screw the operation of flights (look at the state of short-haul). OTP is collapsing from last year, but alas its all frontlines problem and that bloody DAA. It's a pity Mueller didn't last to finish clearing up the mess which has started again.

but just look art that 16% operating margin, best in IAG ... no-one gives a toss except about that, thats bonus that is if you're sitting at the right table.

adam88

Are the margins that low. Actually surprised at that

Tenger

adam88 wrote: »

Are the margins that low. Actually surprised at that

That 16% is actually well above the norm for the industry. I think that the average margin for airlines is ~5% (going from 10 year memory)

Tenger

Tenger wrote: »

That 16% is actually well above the norm for the industry. I think that the average margin for airlines is ~5% (going from 10 year memory)

5% is still very good. The US majors were often running on 1-2%.

sandbelter

I think EI needed to produce 16% at this moment and mgmt are right to make the assets sweat. 

First, It's not clear how Brexit its going to affect IAG so it need to be seen as  an asset worth fighting over, second with question marks about WoW and Norwegian hanging round, 16%  asked the IAG board one question: why spend the groups capital on a loss making "turnaround story" when you already have the surety of the most profitable airline on the North Atlantic.

It makes a point give us the capital and we can grow it.....EI's worst case scenario is to be like KLM in a KL/AF "marriage" constantly popping up the loss making senior partner.  IAG already has one dog an investment in Vueling (dog = doesn't make a profit at the height of the season) .... WoW or Norwegian have all the makings of a second.  

Constantly bailing out IAG's bad decisions is a horrible place to for EI to be, there's a big difference to under investment because you "won't" distinct from "can't".    16% came at exactly the right time for EI, as a reminder about investing in "turnaround stories". '

adam88

Why bother if your roi is that low. Surely better places to put the money into

HTCOne

adam88 wrote: »

Why bother if your roi is that low. Surely better places to put the money into

You know the old adage: How to you become a millionaire from the airline business? Start off as a billionaire

Karl8415

Question out of curiosity,
with EI A330-300’s having seating at either 313 - 317 seats and comparing that to the likes of Lufthansa r qantas for example who have far less capacity how much of that is down to what has been said here about EI sweating them for maximum return r is the likes of the other airlines I mentioned having business class section additional on board,I ask purely because wud that mean the likes of Lufthansa r qantas be more comfortable to travel with

goingnowhere

EI operate a 2 class service, no first, no premium economy.

EI can fill the planes and make bucket loads of cash so its working

Karl8415

Karl8415 wrote: »

Question out of curiosity,
with EI A330-300’s having seating at either 313 - 317 seats and comparing that to the likes of Lufthansa r qantas for example who have far less capacity how much of that is down to what has been said here about EI sweating them for maximum return r is the likes of the other airlines I mentioned having business class section additional on board,I ask purely because wud that mean the likes of Lufthansa r qantas be more comfortable to travel with

Other airlines will also have 3 and 4 class aircraft. Economy plus and first take up extra space reducing rows and capacity. It depends on your business model and market. Ireland wouldn’t have the largest premium class market going hence why some airlines send their 3 class aircraft in and possibly why we are getting Uniteds domestic 777’s instead of their international one.

trellheim

well technically they are not domestic ones if they are landing in Ireland.

marno21

trellheim wrote: »

well technically they are not domestic ones if they are landing in Ireland.

United have domestic and international cabin layouts, but they use the domestic fitted aircraft on the DUB route

Hotblack Desiato

Can you use proper English instead of text speak.

HTCOne

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Can you use proper English instead of text speak.

It’s not text speak, all abbreviations in use here are ICAO or IATA. This is a forum where aviation enthusiasts and professionals gather. Google is your friend. Those of us in the industry are happy to answer your queries as regards what you do not understand.

L1011

HTCOne wrote: »

It’s not text speak, all abbreviations in use here are ICAO or IATA. This is a forum where aviation enthusiasts and professionals gather. Google is your friend. Those of us in the industry are happy to answer your queries as regards what you do not understand.

I was about to make the same post earlier; but there was actually someone using txtspk nonsense earlier totally unconnected to the usual abbreviations which are OK here.

It would have helped if the post in question had been quoted but its not always easy on mobile. It did make it look like a reply to a post that is absolutely fine and used one single abbreviation, but it wasn't.

john boye

I couldn't make out half of it. Would have posted about it myself but nobody else had at the time so I figured I must just be an old fart.

trellheim

United have domestic and international cabin layouts, but they use the domestic fitted aircraft on the DUB route

I know exactly what you mean but technically it is not correct, as if it regularly lands in Ireland it is not technically a domestic fit !

cson

trellheim wrote: »

I know exactly what you mean but technically it is not correct, as if it regularly lands in Ireland it is not technically a domestic fit !

It is correct. It's their standard high density domestic configuration that they also happen to use on select international routes.

No need for the belligerent semantics.

Karl8415

Does anyone know what’s going on with EI-CPH tonight,unless I’m mistaken I taught she was bringing the pope back to Rome but on flight tracker it seems to have gone as far as Corsica,done a uturn and is now over the south coast of France and looks to be heading back to Dublin

billie1b

trellheim wrote: »

I know exactly what you mean but technically it is not correct, as if it regularly lands in Ireland it is not technically a domestic fit !

The poster never said it was a domestic flight, they said it was one of uniteds ‘domestic cabin layouts/interior’, pretty simple to understand. Why are people on here so nit picky, it’s an absolute joke at this stage

marno21

Karl8415 wrote: »

Does anyone know what’s going on with EI-CPH tonight,unless I’m mistaken I taught she was bringing the pope back to Rome but on flight tracker it seems to have gone as far as Corsica,done a uturn and is now over the south coast of France and looks to be heading back to Dublin

The pope went on EI2408, EI-CPG. EI-CPH was also sent to shepherd the papal flight in the event there was an issue with CPG and it wasn't able to complete the journey to Rome. When CPG started descending into CIA, CPH's job was done and it began the return to Dublin.

LXFlyer

Karl8415 wrote: »

Does anyone know what’s going on with EI-CPH tonight,unless I’m mistaken I taught she was bringing the pope back to Rome but on flight tracker it seems to have gone as far as Corsica,done a uturn and is now over the south coast of France and looks to be heading back to Dublin

EI-CPG was operating the papal flight EI2408 which has just landed at Rome Ciampino.

EI-CPH was the backup aircraft which followed the papal flight lest there was a technical issue, until it started its descent into Rome.

masit

Karl8415 wrote: »

Does anyone know what’s going on with EI-CPH tonight,unless I’m mistaken I taught she was bringing the pope back to Rome but on flight tracker it seems to have gone as far as Corsica,done a uturn and is now over the south coast of France and looks to be heading back to Dublin

Spare aircraft incase the one carrying the Pope had to divert. Pope’s plane got within save distance of Rome so the spare one turned for home.

Karl8415

Ah that makes sense,thanks everyone,curiosity got the better of me,I never took any notice of Ei-CPG,I knew it brought the pope to knock earlier alright

MICKEYG

Who paid for all this?

EchoIndia

MICKEYG wrote: »

Who paid for all this?

Paid for what?

Van.Bosch

MICKEYG wrote: »

Who paid for all this?

The Vatican charter the plane. I’d say EI paid for the backup.

Tenger

MICKEYG wrote: »

Who paid for all this?

EI made priceless PR out of the footage. I wouldn’t be surprised if we see a video of the visit on their blog.
Personally I can’t see and IAG owned Aer Lingus voluntarily taking a financial hit on this situation. As posted abou, I’m sure they dropped a flight or two from their normal Sunday schedule.

The furor nationwide about the cost of this visit boggles my mind. Ireland was hosting a global conference and Irish companies were providing the services for the Papal visit. Thus Ireland Inc wins.
The cost borne by the state for security and traffic control is possibly balanced by the influx of visitors and cash to the country.

MICKEYG

EchoIndia wrote: »

Paid for what?

The cost of using two EI planes in a stretched fleet to transport the Pope and his entourage back to Rome.