So who's going to see the Pope?

Sycamore Tree · 26-08-2018 10:30PM

shenanagans wrote: »

Listen. I've heard little of her views on the church in recent years. Perhaps she wasn't getting as much media attention in the past. She seems very vocal over the last week and many people feel it's opportunism. I don't think she has come out of it well. That's my opinion. She could have held off until after the weekend events to outline her criticisms. I think if she had done so it would have gone down better with people. Like it or not the Pope's visit was important to many people. Let them have their celebration of their faith. I didn't attend any of the events myself but I respect how much it meant to many people. She could have put her claws away for a few days. It didn't benefit her or Justin IMO.

I fully accept she knows more about the RCC that most. She's fully entitled to her views. But her timing was poor.

You will notice that none of our cowardly TDs ever say anything against Roman church crimes for fear of losing votes. At least she took a stance especially after being banned from the Vatican conference in March. Her timing was perfect. She was asked direct questions about the unfolding child abuse scandals in Chile and Pennsylvania and gave her opinion on the handling of child abuse within the Vatican hierarchy. Maybe the Pennsylvania report on child abuse (detailing 1000+ children raped and abused by 300+ priests) should have been delayed until after the pope's visit too? Give me a break.

Hit them where and when it hurts, they are clearly not listening.

Sycamore Tree · 26-08-2018 10:30PM

murpho999 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/vincentbrowne/status/1033783910419836935

Have to agree with this. RTE gave the church a platform and "journalists" were calling him the Holy Father etc. All just wrong.

Oh how I miss Vincent!

A truthseeker and warrior against bull****!

26-08-2018 10:33PM

Sycamore Tree wrote: »

Oh how I miss Vincent!

A truthseeker and warrior against bull****!

He never let a bandwagon pass by :pac:

Sweetemotion · 26-08-2018 10:34PM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I'll say it one last time. She has been vocal for 15 years. Google it and you can see.

She's all over the news because someone banned her from an event she had been invited to speak at. They call this church censorship. The timing of this was not of her doing & repeatedly saying it was does not make it so. She did not ban herself so had no control over the timing.

I've explained this several times as best I can. It's all available online from reputable newspapers. Times, independent, rte etc. If you want the truth it's easy to find

I must sound like a member of her family I'm sticking up for her so much tonight but herself and Mary Robinson are the best presidents we've ever had & both deserved a lot more respect then some want to give them.
Enough. No more presidents for me tonight

That's your opinion of her and just because you've explained it several times doesn't deny those who disagree with your points any less valid than yours.

The Times, independent and RTE are all biased in their reporting and it dose not make them reputable sources.

FrancieBrady · 26-08-2018 10:34PM

Sycamore Tree wrote: »

Oh how I miss Vincent!

A truthseeker and warrior against bull****!

+1. As usual Vinnie saying something that desperately needed to be said. RTE tried to balance the coverage but far to often teetered over into pious reverence.

Yester · 26-08-2018 10:35PM

I love that it's called a Popemobile!

harr · 26-08-2018 10:37PM

Was speaking to a lady tonight who went by train , a service which was put in especially for today and she said it was only a little over half full.
People were told these special trains were fully booked as early as two weeks ago.
Did people just acquire tickets on a whim but were not fully committed to attending ? Or did other factors have a play ? Weather and what not.

EdgeCase · 26-08-2018 10:43PM

I'm just glad it's all over!

It's just a big PR event that will have achieved nothing.

The church has has long enough to figure out what went on in its recent history. It obviously has no intentions of ever resolving it or really bringing anyone to justice over what happened.

It's the same story over and over again for decades at this stage.

It's long past time the state started actually aggressively seeking to bring prosecutions for both actions and cover ups. Treating this organisation with delicacy and deference is corruption of the justice system. We should all be equal before the law, collar or none.

Guy:Incognito · 26-08-2018 10:44PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Not only that but knowledge of the existence of the Magdalene Laundries and industrial schools was widespread throughout the population, it wasn't even a secret.

Yet the information didn't reach the Vatican till this weekend........

uptherebels · 26-08-2018 10:44PM

0127647 wrote: »

I never deflected the church role (Try re-reading the original post, it may help). It is fully responsible for its role but trying to bucket the blame on them with little or no mention of the other parties involved and abdicate society, Government and individual responsability under the guise they were "dictated to" or "Influenced" is laughable.

It takes two for influence to succeed. The person influencing and the person allowing themselves to be influenced.

it's called indoctrination.
I did read the post ,you claimed that the abusers were a product of the society of the time while ignoring the almost complete influence of the church on society.

Spanish Eyes · 26-08-2018 10:45PM

Mc Aleese was in the audience at Dublin Castle. I wasn't given an invite. If she is so peed off with the CC why did she attend that?

She also studied theology and Canon Law in Rome just after her Presidency was over. Honestly, why bother if you are so out of love with the CC.

The CC will do what it wants, surely she knows this, and no amount of ranting will change it. EVER.

The pix in the Park of the men in voluminous dresses and the mad rituals like incense and so on were gas altogether, looked quite Medieval to me. But no one up there on the altar burst out laughing at the absurdity of it all. Heck there was even a married man who was a Deacon and read the Gospel shock horror!, but not a woman in sight, unless they are flower arrangers or cleaners.

Gwynplaine · 26-08-2018 10:45PM

Does anyone know where he stayed last night?

EdgeCase · 26-08-2018 10:47PM

Gwynplaine wrote: »

Does anyone know where he stayed last night?

I doubt it was a dorm in a Magdalene Laundry anyway.

Guy:Incognito · 26-08-2018 10:48PM

PotatoSpud wrote: »

I feel like the low attendance is as much a representation of just how little Irish people think of Dublin's infrastructure as it is emblematic of the rapidly declining Catholic church. The city was totally unequipped to deal with the expected numbers and people were sensible enough to realise it wasn't worth the effort. Practically none of my very religious relatives entertained the idea of heading up to it.

Getting into Dublin is a chore, getting around it when an event is on is significantly worse. I imagine a lot of people just heard 500k, remembered the last time they went up to Dublin without realising there was some big event on, and immediately dismissed the idea of heading. Or (like my mam) discovered a few days before that they'd have to walk a couple of miles just to get to their entrance and couldn't be arsed.

Every single excuse at this stage. Other than people being disinterested in the popes visit...........

FrancieBrady · 26-08-2018 10:49PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

The CC will do what it wants, surely she knows this, and no amount of ranting will change it. EVER.

They will change when the billions in reparations they will now have to pay in the States start draining out of accounts and one after one the guilty there go to jail, you will find.

The game for the Vatican is beginning to draw to a close.

The white flag not the white smoke will be what comes soon as they try to stem the tide.

EdgeCase · 26-08-2018 10:50PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Every single excuse at this stage. Other than people being disinterested in the popes visit...........

People didn't want to go.
The infrastructure was infinitely worse in 1979.
People trek to concerts, matches and all sorts of stuff all the time without any issues.

Not only that but they had pulled out all the stops to make this run smoothly and it was on a Sunday without traffic issues.

If people wanted to be there, they'd be there!

Spanish Eyes · 26-08-2018 10:53PM

Gwynplaine wrote: »

Does anyone know where he stayed last night?

I'd say the Bishop's Palace ahem, in Drumcondra. Well they closed the road there saying it was for the safety of those exiting Croker. :rolleyes:

DCC said this...

"Croke Park Event
The event in Croke Park is scheduled to start at 18:30hrs and finish at 20:30hrs.

Clonliffe Road and Jones road will be closed prior to the event.

Drumcondra Rd will be closed from 20:30hrs for public safety to allow crowds to disperse."

Beside Clonliffe College, the Mater Dei Institute and the headquarters of the WMOFamilies too. Perfect!

Just a guess.

Spanish Eyes · 26-08-2018 10:56PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

They will change when the billions in reparations they will now have to pay in the States start draining out of accounts and one after one the guilty there go to jail, you will find.

The game for the Vatican is beginning to draw to a close.

The white flag not the white smoke will be what comes soon as they try to stem the tide.

Just the same as happened here I suppose with payback for Institutional abuse so?

The Vatican left it up to the Diocese to sort out, nothing to do with them!

FrancieBrady · 26-08-2018 10:59PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Just the same as happened here I suppose with payback for Institutional abuse so?

The Vatican left it up to the Diocese to sort out, nothing to do with them!

The States is part of the lifeblood of the Vatican in terms of income. Once the run starts there, watch how things change.
You'll start seeing bishops and cardinals thrown to the wolves.
What they owe here is small change in comparison to what will happen there.

Notoldorwise · 26-08-2018 10:59PM

Given that "over half a million" were expected to attend the Papal mass in Phoenix Park and it appears that 130,000 actually did, is it safe to say that "One in Four" attended ?...

Richard Bingham · 26-08-2018 11:01PM

cdeb wrote: »

TV culture would affect the crowd too; nowadays, people watch everything on TV and wouldn't think of going somewhere.

As a smaller example, LoI clubs have given out about having their games live on telly because it hits crowds. Why bother getting off your arse if you can watch in 42" HD?

Wasn't an option in 79.

Exactly, look at all the fncktards on here who would be at it but they watched it on TV instead!

Sleeper12 · 26-08-2018 11:11PM

Sweetemotion wrote:

That's your opinion of her and just because you've explained it several times doesn't deny those who disagree with your points any less valid than yours.

Sweetemotion wrote:

The Times, independent and RTE are all biased in their reporting and it dose not make them reputable sources.

You've made yourself clear now. There were two options someone manipulating the situation or someone being manipulated. You could have saved me a lot of time if you were honest at the start.

I now know to ignore your comments

PowerToWait · 26-08-2018 11:13PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Every single excuse at this stage. Other than people being disinterested in the popes visit...........

I think the poster is correct to a degree. In the weeks running up to the thing there were seriously hyped 'warnings' about being prepared to walk several miles, bring sun screen, bottles of water, pack food, you need to be fit to get to the venue etc.

Let's face it, the target market is mostly past its prime. My own mother, very devout in her own way, didn't countenance the idea, saying she'd see it far better on t.v.

All this is not to mention the fact that we haven't 'matured' as a nation, so much as we've just gotten significantly better off than we were almost half a century ago. Organised religion appeals mostly to less well off populations. Look at South America and Africa for example, he'd be a rock star in those places.

hotmail.com · 26-08-2018 11:14PM

The couples taking marriage advice off the Pope, a single allegedly celibate man, is one crazy aspect of the weekend .

ANDREWMUFC · 26-08-2018 11:15PM

The church is against homosexuality yet their members raped little boy’s

shenanagans · 26-08-2018 11:17PM

ANDREWMUFC wrote: »

The church is against homosexuality yet their members raped little boy’s

That's a crazy comment. Homosexuality is not paedophilia. Educate yourself.

h2005 · 26-08-2018 11:18PM

PotatoSpud wrote: »

I feel like the low attendance is as much a representation of just how little Irish people think of Dublin's infrastructure as it is emblematic of the rapidly declining Catholic church. The city was totally unequipped to deal with the expected numbers and people were sensible enough to realise it wasn't worth the effort. Practically none of my very religious relatives entertained the idea of heading up to it.

Getting into Dublin is a chore, getting around it when an event is on is significantly worse. I imagine a lot of people just heard 500k, remembered the last time they went up to Dublin without realising there was some big event on, and immediately dismissed the idea of heading. Or (like my mam) discovered a few days before that they'd have to walk a couple of miles just to get to their entrance and couldn't be arsed.

Was the infrastructure better in 1979? That’s a pretty weak excuse to be honest

Get Real · 26-08-2018 11:23PM

Gwynplaine wrote: »

Does anyone know where he stayed last night?

Papal Nuncio's residence on Navan Road would be my guess.

Only because a relative said John Paul II stayed there in 79.

I then google what a Papal Nuncio was. So he's appointed by, and represents the pope in this jutdistiction. Equivalent of a diplomat in a roundabout way. Makes sense he'd have stayed at his residence. Could be wrong though.

Farmleigh ruled out as it wasn't an official state visit. Despite having a strong resemblance to one.

amdublin · 26-08-2018 11:23PM

Gwynplaine wrote: »

Does anyone know where he stayed last night?

My surmisation is Farmleigh

Someone told me the Papal Nuncio though?

Arthur Daley · 26-08-2018 11:37PM

EdgeCase wrote: »

People didn't want to go.
The infrastructure was infinitely worse in 1979.
People trek to concerts, matches and all sorts of stuff all the time without any issues.

Not only that but they had pulled out all the stops to make this run smoothly and it was on a Sunday without traffic issues.

If people wanted to be there, they'd be there!

I have never gone to a concert or football match where you can only get there by Dublin bus. The Dublin bus drops you an hour plus from the entrance to the venue. And you are told you must leave home in the Dublin area at least 4-5 hours ahead of the start of the event. Because the event is sold out, but it proves not to be.

All of those things happened today and the bus transport system deployed was a shambles really under the circumstances. It made it overly burdensome to attend this, and between that and the weather, a significant number of people decided not to travel. I was almost one of them myself.

So who's going to see the Pope?

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