So who's going to see the Pope?

shenanagans · 26-08-2018 07:36PM

batgoat wrote: »

Mary McAleese is a practising Catholic but she's still willing to stand up the church and how they behave.

Nothing to do with getting publicity for her son who is looking to run for FF in next election. She was happy to take Catholic vote when running for president. She'd crawl over broken glass to get in front of a camera at present.

OldMrBrennan83 · 26-08-2018 07:36PM

Deleted User wrote: »

oh jesus let go of the pearls

who stopped u

Nobody stopped anyone, I'm replying to the people who want to see the religion wiped out. Keep up.

CruelCoin · 26-08-2018 07:37PM

shakeitoff wrote: »

I hate people who are just so wilfully ignorant. Christian teachings in schools now for the last 20 years have been nothing more than positive, life affirming feel good stories that are surely beneficial in a child's development. We'd be better off emphasising some of these values in a 21st century context than reinventing the wheel.

How would you presume to teach immaculate conception, feeding thousands from a few fish and loaves, physics breaking arks, talking snakes and a 40 year trek through the desert (that Google maps says you can do in a week) in a "21st century context"

1hnr79jr65 · 26-08-2018 07:37PM

Patww79 wrote: »

But what if you want to go to a church? Other religions are afforded this, but Catholics shouldn't be?

No need for any organisation for anyone to believe what they want, i would gladly ban all mosques, synagogues, churches.

Worship at home or with friends or in the woods for all i care, just don't need corrupt organisations.

If an organisation (new name for any religious institution) was a nursing home where staff mentally, sexually or physically abused or stole from someone, then there would be investigations, charges, and consequences.

Guy:Incognito · 26-08-2018 07:37PM

Patww79 wrote: »

But what if you want to go to a church? Other religions are afforded this, but Catholics shouldn't be?

None of them need churches, or golden palaces full of trinkets like the Vatican. But they can be discussed elsewhere. This thread is about the pope.

1hnr79jr65 · 26-08-2018 07:38PM

Patww79 wrote: »

Nobody stopped anyone, I'm replying to the people who want to see the religion wiped out. Keep up.

Where did i say i wanted to see religion wiped out? i said the organisations need wiping out.

OldMrBrennan83 · 26-08-2018 07:38PM

Sour Lemonz wrote: »

No need for any organisation for anyone to believe what they want, i would gladly ban all mosques, synagogues, churches.

Worship at home or with friends or in the woods for all i care, just don't need corrupt organisations.

If an organisation (new name for any religious institution) was a nursing home where staff mentally, sexually or physically abused or stole from someone, then there would be investigations, charges, and consequences.

There would indeed. Banning all nursing homes wouldn't be one of them though.

Strazdas · 26-08-2018 07:38PM

Mike Loud Embryo wrote: »

I didn't go and had no interest in going but the intolerance shown in this thread is astounding and, frankly, worries me when I consider the future for Irish society.

I suspect it's a handful of shrill voices and doesn't reflect Irish society in general.

Internet forums (and newspaper comments sections and social media) tend to attract extreme / angry viewpoints that tend to give a very misleading picture of what is going on.

OldMrBrennan83 · 26-08-2018 07:39PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

None of them need churches, or golden palaces full of trinkets like the Vatican. But they can be discussed elsewhere. This thread is about the pope.

So, only posts about the pope and posts you agree with then.

Irish Kings · 26-08-2018 07:40PM

batgoat wrote: »

Mary McAleese is a practising Catholic but she's still willing to stand up the church and how they behave.

McAleese also want's the Church and 1 billion Catholics worldwide to conform to her personally approved political beliefs without any dissent . . . pretty delusional.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 26-08-2018 07:40PM

batgoat wrote: »

Mary McAleese is a practising Catholic but she's still willing to stand up the church and how they behave.

This is pretty much my parents’ stance too.

Guy:Incognito · 26-08-2018 07:40PM

Patww79 wrote: »

So, only posts about the pope and posts you agree with then.

Clearly not seeing as your e free to deflect from issues to your hearts content.

Sleeper12 · 26-08-2018 07:41PM

shakeitoff wrote:

I hate people who are just so wilfully ignorant. Christian teachings in schools now for the last 20 years have been nothing more than positive, life affirming feel good stories that are surely beneficial in a child's development. We'd be better off emphasising some of these values in a 21st century context than reinventing the wheel.

But why have religion in school at all? Not everyone wants their children taught about shame, sin or even god in some cases. My children were NOT born with sin nor was any child and I wouldn't want anyone shoving that nonsense down their throat. School should be fact based. Religious education should be in your church in Sunday school or by the parents.

shenanagans · 26-08-2018 07:41PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

This is pretty much my parents’ stance too.

Didn't hear her running down the church when she was in the Aras.

Allinall · 26-08-2018 07:58PM

Test

Sleeper12 · 26-08-2018 07:59PM

Allinall wrote:

Test

I thought they locked the thread 20 minutes ago

Sycamore Tree · 26-08-2018 07:59PM

shenanagans wrote: »

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

This is pretty much my parents’ stance too.

Didn't hear her running down the church when she was in the Aras.

I am absolutely delighted McAleese is showing a mirror to Rome. I wish more Irish politicians had her courage. Most TDs are too afraid of losing votes to say what needs to be said. The people criticising her are cowards attacking the messenger - what has she said that is wrong? She is an amazing woman and I hope she keeps up the good fight. Those relics in the Vatican deserve it.

Patser · 26-08-2018 08:01PM

So just for context....

130,000 ish for the Pope with free tickets.....

Garth Brooks sold 400,000 tickets at €80 a pop....

Those with friends in low places much more popular than direct line to God?

Bubbaclaus · 26-08-2018 08:02PM

shakeitoff wrote: »

I hate people who are just so wilfully ignorant. Christian teachings in schools now for the last 20 years have been nothing more than positive, life affirming feel good stories that are surely beneficial in a child's development. We'd be better off emphasising some of these values in a 21st century context than reinventing the wheel.

I remember being in tears as a 7 year old when being told about all the babies trapped in limbo. This would have been in around 1997.

Catholics believed in that until at least 2007 when they decided to change their minds so presumably it continued to be taught until then.

Royal Legend · 26-08-2018 08:04PM

And.................. the bigots are back :rolleyes:

ToddyDoody · 26-08-2018 08:05PM

I think we've entered an era where everyone is perpetually angry at daddy. (in the guise of the government, the Pope, RTE etc etc)

Bubbaclaus · 26-08-2018 08:07PM

Royal Legend wrote: »

And.................. the bigots are back :rolleyes:

Nope, they headed back to the Vatican a couple of hours ago.

Sycamore Tree · 26-08-2018 08:11PM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

shakeitoff wrote: »

I hate people who are just so wilfully ignorant. Christian teachings in schools now for the last 20 years have been nothing more than positive, life affirming feel good stories that are surely beneficial in a child's development. We'd be better off emphasising some of these values in a 21st century context than reinventing the wheel.

I remember being in tears as a 7 year old when being told about all the babies trapped in limbo. This would have been in around 1997.

Catholics believed in that until at least 2007 when they decided to change their minds so presumably it continued to be taught until then.

Yes and those poor children that had the audacity to die before baptism are buried in obscure graveyards in the corner of fields all over Ireland, most with no headstones, perhaps just a few stones to mark the spot. Hidden out of some warped shame.

shenanagans · 26-08-2018 08:12PM

Sycamore Tree wrote: »

I am absolutely delighted McAleese is showing a mirror to Rome. I wish more Irish politicians had her courage. Most TDs are too afraid of losing votes to say what needs to be said. The people criticising her are cowards attacking the messenger - what has she said that is wrong? She is an amazing woman and I hope she keeps up the good fight. Those relics in the Vatican deserve it.[/quo

She's a smart lady with plenty to say. But why couldn't she have challenged the church when she was president?? Easy to do it now as she has nothing to lose. She's all about LGBT rights now which is great but she had nothing to say about their rights when she was in office.

Billy86 · 26-08-2018 08:12PM

shakeitoff wrote: »

I hate people who are just so wilfully ignorant. Christian teachings in schools now for the last 20 years have been nothing more than positive, life affirming feel good stories that are surely beneficial in a child's development. We'd be better off emphasising some of these values in a 21st century context than reinventing the wheel.

My classes in R.E in school were within the last 20 years, and basically comprised of being told why everyone needs to be Christian if they don't want to go to hell, and giving out lines or detention for anyone who did not treat the Bible as exact, factual history (even the likes of the burning bush). If memory serves me correctly, we had one single class out of two full years that was supposed to cover all non-Christian religions.

Now not every religion teacher would be like that, but I had friends in other schools who had similar and it's something we could do with less of without. In an age of disinformation and competing narratives, I would happily scrap R.E. for critical thinking classes, or for life skills with the ever-increasing changing nature of the world around us.

Also, hatred of others is not exactly becoming of positive Christian teachings, I would imagine.

Strazdas · 26-08-2018 08:13PM

Patser wrote: »

So just for context....

130,000 ish for the Pope with free tickets.....

Garth Brooks sold 400,000 tickets at €80 a pop....

Those with friends in low places much more popular than direct line to God?

Might have been plenty of people who went to the first and intended going to the second. What makes you think it's an 'either / or' ?

shenanagans · 26-08-2018 08:15PM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

I remember being in tears as a 7 year old when being told about all the babies trapped in limbo. This would have been in around 1997.

Catholics believed in that until at least 2007 when they decided to change their minds so presumably it continued to be taught until then.

Anyone with faith won't believe in that non sense. Many of the church's views are outdated and cause unnecessary pain.

Patser · 26-08-2018 08:16PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Might have been plenty of people who went to the first and intended going to the second. What makes you think it's an 'either / or' ?

Even if it was everyone going to 2 Brooks concerts, that's 200,000. So Pope + 50%. And I doubt every Brooks ticket sold was a repeat.

Also during all the Brooks fiasco there was no mention of fee public transport, and shut downs of huge areas of Dublin.

Royal Legend · 26-08-2018 08:18PM

If the 130-300k attendance is correct, apart from the nope to the pope crowd, it looks more likely that the sneaky dubs used the tickets for free transport around the capital for the day

Discodog · 26-08-2018 08:19PM

The Vatican estimated that 300,000 people flocked to Phoenix Park for the Mass to close the World Meeting of Families, a global Catholic gathering that is held every three years. Other crowd estimates were lower.

So who's going to see the Pope?

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