So who's going to see the Pope?

blanch152 · 26-08-2018 07:16PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Maria was raped by a man, allegedly not a 'movement'.. He hasn't had his day in court , to answer the allegations. A court he willingly turned up to.
But you get the noose out anyway there blanch.

I see very little difference between the Republican Movement and the Catholic Church in how they handled abuse allegations. Moving abusers, protecting them from the law, demonising the victims etc.

Acolytes and believers defend both Instiutions, that is to be expected.

Thankfully the truth about the Catholic Church is coming out. Next is the Republican Movement.

gmisk · 26-08-2018 07:17PM

Patww79 wrote: »

The Irish, I was replying to a shankhill butcher in waiting.

That makes equally as little sense to me... But hey

Bubbaclaus · 26-08-2018 07:18PM

What was the size of the crowd for the limerick homecoming last week?

murpho999 · 26-08-2018 07:18PM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Tickets were still available free of charge online right up to last night. No one was deprived of tickets but I do agree that the intention was there. As it turns out no one needed to get tickets in protest. So few actually bothered their arse going. Even Dublin City yesterday had a tiny turnout. They expected 100,000 at that but it was closer to 20,000. Not tickets needed. Now the country people showed up the dubs big time. Total respect 45,000 was a great turnout for knock.

No one wants you to convert or dump your religion but many people are delighted that we can no longer be treated as 78 percent RC. It's been very unfair for a long while now the way schools have been very biased towards RC when in reality RC is possibly in the minority now

For me its he opposite and the Dubs showed more maturity by not going than the country folk.

1hnr79jr65 · 26-08-2018 07:19PM

billyhead wrote: »

So much bitterness on this thread against the church
It was a very small minority of priests whom abused their position. You would swear they were all at it the way some clowns here go on.

The whole damn organisation has been corrupt for hundreds of years. Manipulating countries and lives of individuals while proclaiming a holier than thou attitude. Telling old folks they need to pay into a basket of an already stupidly rich organisation to get into heaven or to pay for a roof which they can easily afford to repair.

Celibate men and women telling couples how to have sexual relationships, abusing children, killing children of single mothers, covering up scandal after scandal while protecting the guilty. Using excuses and moving them around to try hide what went on.

I have no issue with people being religious at all, everyone is entitled to believe in what gives them comfort or belief in nothing if they so choose. But NOT ONE person NEEDS a church to have belief.

Germanic tribes worshiped trees long ago, they just needed nature to have their worship.

So in response to your statement, yes there is bitterness at a corrupt organisation that takes advantage on anyone and that goes for any church/mosque/synagog.

Yes have belief if u want/need/must, but leave the church out of it. Best thing that can happen is the RCC is burned to the ground and their wealth distributed to the neediest in all societies that they robbed from over hundreds of years.

OldMrBrennan83 · 26-08-2018 07:20PM

murpho999 wrote: »

For me its he opposite and the Dubs showed more maturity by not going than the country folk.

Wise up.

Whoever wanted to go went and whoever didn't want to go didn't. And it had **** all effect on you as regards who did what.

Hitman3000 · 26-08-2018 07:22PM

Graces7 wrote:

At Knock, earlier, there were 45,000, a capacity attendance... strong sincere folk with joy in their hearts; lots of families.

My sister in law is a Guard. She was on duty in Knock. Nothing approaching 45k according to her .

Sleeper12 · 26-08-2018 07:23PM

murpho999 wrote:

For me its he opposite and the Dubs showed more maturity by not going than the country folk.

Ah I respect anyone that wanted to go. There just wasn't too many of them

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 26-08-2018 07:25PM

super_furry wrote: »

With all this chat about the attendance and Ed Sheeran selling out nine stadium gigs in Ireland this year, is Ed Sheeran now officially and empirically bigger than Jesus?

Was gonna post something similar.

GarIT · 26-08-2018 07:25PM

Patww79 wrote: »

Wise up.

Whoever wanted to go went and whoever didn't want to go didn't. And it had **** all effect on you as regards who did what.

But it does say a lot about someone whether they went to the supporters of abusers rally or not. Every one of the 130,000 there is a supporter of abusing children, if they gave a **** they wouldn't go to listen to a guy speak who is hiding wanted criminals known to have abused children in his private city.

RobertKK · 26-08-2018 07:25PM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Ok. Ignore the bit about Graces7.

Question just for you. Are the people that snapped up tickets with no intention to go worse than child abusers and the people that cover it up?

Simple yes or no question for you Robert.

Of course not and the fact you ask me that is really weird and strange.

erica74 · 26-08-2018 07:26PM

How about all the Irish who put "Catholic" on the census now make a pact not to do that anymore unless they actually are a Catholic? How about people stop getting married in churches "for mammy"? How about people stop having their babies baptised because "sure it's a nice day out for everyone"? How about parents actually take a stand with regard to their child's education? If you want your child to do religious studies (and not just indoctrination into catholicism), teach them at home. If you're not a practicing catholic, you're not a catholic.

OldMrBrennan83 · 26-08-2018 07:27PM

GarIT wrote: »

But it does say a lot about someone whether they went to the supporters of abusers rally or not.

Away with that mindless shíte you absolute headcase.

Allinall · 26-08-2018 07:27PM

Hitman3000 wrote: »

My sister in law is a Guard. She was on duty in Knock. Nothing approaching 45k according to her .

A guard quoting stats????

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 26-08-2018 07:28PM

erica74 wrote: »

How about all the Irish who put "Catholic" on the census now make a pact not to do that anymore unless they actually are a Catholic? How about people stop getting married in churches "for mammy"? How about people stop having their babies baptised because "sure it's a nice day out for everyone"? How about parents actually take a stand with regard to their child's education? If you want your child to do religious studies (and not just I dictrination into catholicism), teach them at home. If you're not a practicing catholic, you're not a catholic.

Pardon the irony but...

Amen to that!

GarIT · 26-08-2018 07:28PM

Patww79 wrote: »

Away with that mindless ****e.

I think the exact same about what you're saying.

26-08-2018 07:29PM

blanch152 wrote: »

I see very little difference between the Republican Movement and the Catholic Church in how they handled abuse allegations. Moving abusers, protecting them from the law, demonising the victims etc.

Acolytes and believers defend both Instiutions, that is to be expected.

Thankfully the truth about the Catholic Church is coming out. Next is the Republican Movement.

Presidential election campaign starting early for you blanch? You'll be very active round these parts in the weeks to come I take it?

OldMrBrennan83 · 26-08-2018 07:29PM

erica74 wrote: »

How about all the Irish who put "Catholic" on the census now make a pact not to do that anymore unless they actually are a Catholic? How about people stop getting married in churches "for mammy"? How about people stop having their babies baptised because "sure it's a nice day out for everyone"? How about parents actually take a stand with regard to their child's education? If you want your child to do religious studies (and not just I dictrination into catholicism), teach them at home. If you're not a practicing catholic, you're not a catholic.

Are you allowed to be a practicing Catholic if you want to be though? Because I'm not seeing the freedom to be one from a lot of peoples attitudes.

OldMrBrennan83 · 26-08-2018 07:30PM

GarIT wrote: »

I think the exact same about what you're saying.

We all think it about something someone else is saying.

shenanagans · 26-08-2018 07:31PM

erica74 wrote: »

How about all the Irish who put "Catholic" on the census now make a pact not to do that anymore unless they actually are a Catholic? How about people stop getting married in churches "for mammy"? How about people stop having their babies baptised because "sure it's a nice day out for everyone"? How about parents actually take a stand with regard to their child's education? If you want your child to do religious studies (and not just I dictrination into catholicism), teach them at home. If you're not a practicing catholic, you're not a catholic.

Well said. Too much hypocrisy when it come to religion in this country.

batgoat · 26-08-2018 07:31PM

Patww79 wrote: »

Are you allowed to be a practicing Catholic if you want to be though? Because I'm not seeing the freedom to be one from a lot of peoples attitudes.

Mary McAleese is a practising Catholic but she's still willing to stand up the church and how they behave.

1hnr79jr65 · 26-08-2018 07:31PM

Patww79 wrote: »

Are you allowed to be a practicing Catholic if you want to be though? Because from what I'm seeing, I'm not seeing the freedom to be one from a lot of peoples attitudes.

Don't need a church to have belief or practice your beliefs.

You are free to worship what you believe in, but society does not need a corrupt organisation for you to do that.

shakeitoff · 26-08-2018 07:32PM

I hate people who are just so wilfully ignorant. Christian teachings in schools now for the last 20 years have been nothing more than positive, life affirming feel good stories that are surely beneficial in a child's development. We'd be better off emphasising some of these values in a 21st century context than reinventing the wheel.

OldMrBrennan83 · 26-08-2018 07:32PM

batgoat wrote: »

Mary McAleese is a practising Catholic but she's still willing to stand up the church and how they behave.

Mary McAleese didn't give much of a **** until it had a direct effect on one of her own, so I wouldn't see her as some hero of the people.

A lot of rage and denial in that woman too and she's doing a whole lot of venting.

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Sardine · 26-08-2018 07:33PM

I went through the Catholic rigmarole in school and enjoyed it for the most part. Neither of my parents were really into it and I don’t believe in god for a second. Francis seems like a good guy and I don’t envy by him having to be the face of widespread paedophilia.
For some reason this whole thing is upsetting me a little. The sparse crowds and just how ridiculous and odd the whole thing looks. Grown men in strange outfits chanting etc. I think I’m sad the Ireland of my youth is dead, one I had a great childhood in, many didn’t. It had to die and change though. I’m feeling strangely emotional over all this.

GarIT · 26-08-2018 07:33PM

shakeitoff wrote: »

I hate people who are just so wilfully ignorant. Christian teachings in schools now for the last 20 years have been nothing more than positive, life affirming feel good stories that are surely beneficial in a child's development. We'd be better off emphasising some of these values in a 21st century context than reinventing the wheel.

Teaching fairytales as fact isn't good for anyone's development. Sure the values they write down are good but not the values they practice.

OldMrBrennan83 · 26-08-2018 07:34PM

Sour Lemonz wrote: »

Don't need a church to have belief or practice your beliefs.

You are free to worship what you believe in, but society does not need a corrupt organisation for you to do that.

But what if you want to go to a church? Other religions are afforded this, but Catholics shouldn't be?

rafatoni · 26-08-2018 07:34PM

Allinall wrote: »

A guard quoting stats????

was just thinking the same. Lol

1hnr79jr65 · 26-08-2018 07:34PM

shakeitoff wrote: »

I hate people who are just so wilfully ignorant. Christian teachings in schools now for the last 20 years have been nothing more than positive, life affirming feel good stories that are surely beneficial in a child's development. We'd be better off emphasising some of these values in a 21st century context than reinventing the wheel.

I am 36, born in Ireland, never baptized, never made communion, never made confirmation, never attended a religious class and i have good life values.

Didn't need a church for that, just decent role models and life guidance.

26-08-2018 07:35PM

Patww79 wrote: »

Are you allowed to be a practicing Catholic if you want to be though? Because I'm not seeing the freedom to be one from a lot of peoples attitudes.

oh jesus let go of the pearls

who stopped u

So who's going to see the Pope?

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