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Should we protest against the pope's visit?

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  • #2282
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,875 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    ELM327 wrote: »
    waynerooney wrote: »
    Is there legal grounds to extradite Francis to Ireland?
    Apart from the fact that he is in Ireland currently, on what grounds would you have him extradited?
    Paedophile enabling, obstructing the course of justice by not reporting crimes he was aware of.
    As much as I dislike his organisations contempt for the legal process, you need evidence of laws broken in Ireland to take him to court.


  • #2283
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,875 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Hmm apparently this bishop with the "breaking news" is apparently known for being extremely conservative and regularly disagreed with Francis.


    Obviously hes reliable :pac:
    Are you saying that the abuse did not occur then? Was the archbishop not sent off to pray by Ratzinger? Did Frank not reduce his "punishment"?


  • #2284
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,875 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    gormdubhgorm wrote: »
    5) Correct me if I am wrong in the pejorative sense of the word 'cult'. A cult is something people are forced or coerced to join and stay in.
    Nobody is forced to stay in the catholic church!
    So how does one leave?


  • #2285
    HappyAsLarE
    Closed Accounts Posts: 761 ✭✭✭HappyAsLarE


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    We live across from the gym in our apartment complex. I’m looking at him right now. ;) Any other questions? :)

    No, thank you for taking the joke as a joke :-)


  • #2286
    Hitman3000
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    Turnout at 130,000 in the park. Numbers given by the Guards based on people going though the gates.


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  • #2287
    alaimacerc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,224 ✭✭✭alaimacerc


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    Turnout at 130,000 in the park. Numbers given by the Guards based on people going though the gates.

    Couple of mass-miracles of bilocation and we can easily get that up to 520,000!


  • #2288
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,875 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    Turnout at 130,000 in the park. Numbers given by the Guards based on people going though the gates.
    Didn't they say during the week that it was to be about 500k-600k?


  • #2289
    Sleeper12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,298 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    Hitman3000 wrote:
    Turnout at 130,000 in the park. Numbers given by the Guards based on people going though the gates.


    Wow!
    I knew that they weren't getting anywhere near 500,000 and but 130,000 has knocked me for six

    Brings me back to people who aren't really RC putting RC on the census form. People plan to big for these things believing that 78 percent of the population are RC. The figure is obviously well below 50amp percent


  • #2290
    alaimacerc
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    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    As much as I dislike his organisations contempt for the legal process, you need evidence of laws broken in Ireland to take him to court.

    Or of crimes where Ireland claims universal jurisdiction.


  • #2291
    Sleeper12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,298 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    alaimacerc wrote: »
    Or of crimes where Ireland claims universal jurisdiction.




    Can you imagine the turnout if it actually rained in Dublin today. I've a broom cupboard they could have used :pac:


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  • #2292
    AdrianII
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    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    Can you imagine the turnout if it actually rained in Dublin today. I've a broom cupboard they could have used :pac:

    In fairness it was raining in Dublin until about 2pm. Most people would have needed to leave a few hours before the start to get in with the road closures.

    Still a poor number from the 500k they expected.


  • #2293
    Sleeper12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,298 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    Looks like there could be a bigger turnout in protest at the garden of remembrance than the pope got yesterday in town.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/update-thousands-gather-at-stand4truth-protest-in-garden-of-remembrance-864575.html


  • #2294
    Sleeper12
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    AdrianII wrote: »
    In fairness it was raining in Dublin until about 2pm. Most people would have needed to leave a few hours before the start to get in with the road closures.

    Still a poor number from the 500k they expected.




    I'm in Dublin & the heavy rain stopped before 9am It hasn't rained in Dublin 5 all afternoon.


    If I had tickets for a Slane gig I'd be standing in the muck with 80,000 others


  • #2295
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
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    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    I'm in Dublin & the heavy rain stopped before 9am It hasn't rained in Dublin 5 all afternoon.


    If I had tickets for a Slane gig I'd be standing in the muck with 80,000 others

    I live very near the Phoenix Park and it rained on and off up until just before he did his rounds in the Popemobile. Different parts of Dublin can vary a lot weather-wise. Still very gloomy now.

    But I agree. The weather is an excuse. Umbrellas and raincoats are all that are needed. This weather was forecast so people were well able to prepare.


  • #2296
    Sleeper12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,298 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    Turned on Rte to try get official numbers. I didn't but they did an ariel shot during the mass. They have the whole area boxed off in roughly square sections to accommodate 500,000. Because of this you can see the area they expected to be full and most of it is empty.

    It's like the photo Sean Spicer showed at his first press conference where he had to lie on behalf of trump about the crowd size.

    If that crowd is actually 130,000 it gives you a good idea of the low turnout yesterday in the city. They expected 100,000 yesterday so that's about 3/4s of the crowd you can see in the park now.


  • #2297
    Sycamore Tree
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    130,000? Wow.

    Death knell for the influence of the Roman organisation in Ireland.


  • #2298
    Odhinn
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    Sycamore Tree wrote: »
    130,000? Wow.

    Death knell for the influence of the Roman organisation in Ireland.


    Tbh, the odds are you'll still have the census saying we're over 75% catholic, despite the non-mass attending, contraception using , same sex marriage approving, divorcing, sex before marriage-ing from large segments of the population.


  • #2299
    Edward M
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    Sycamore Tree wrote: »
    130,000? Wow.

    Death knell for the influence of the Roman organisation in Ireland.

    That hasn't happened this weekend just though.
    That has happened over the past ten years or so, recent referenda results point to this anyway, society is much more inclusive and tolerant than catholicism allows.
    If the CC is to somehow come back to anything like thriving, it must be driven by the wishes of its people, not try to drive its people to its will.


  • #2300
    Edward M
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,837 ✭✭✭Edward M


    Odhinn wrote: »
    Tbh, the odds are you'll still have the census saying we're over 75% catholic, despite the non-mass attending, contraception using , same sex marriage approving, divorcing, sex before marriage-ing from large segments of the population.

    I'm a catholic, mostly no practicing, but I will attend services at times, funerals and masses for family members and such.
    I still call myself catholic, that's my ethnicity I think, I maybe wrong, but if a document comes in, like the census, I will identify myself as being a catholic.


  • #2301
    gormdubhgorm
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    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    So how does one leave?

    That is like saying how do you get out of a room?
    Do you need to be shown where the door is?

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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  • #2302
    tylercheribini
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭tylercheribini


    Haha under 130k,only a "pilgrim" or two short of the predicted 500k, alot of that audience from abroad too. Considering the complete gulf between papal visit regarding financial and marketing resources, the protest demonstration attendances were far more impressive.


  • #2303
    ThunbergsAreGo
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    500k was always madness

    It's not the seventies anymore, seeing the pope isn't a big once in a lifetime opportunity, it's a 150 euro flight to Rome


  • #2304
    Irish Kings
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 494 ✭✭Irish Kings


    RTE just after claiming "500,000 tickets were booked out but only 150-300 thousand attended"


  • #2305
    Sleeper12
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    naughtb4 wrote:
    500k was always madness

    naughtb4 wrote:
    It's not the seventies anymore, seeing the pope isn't a big once in a lifetime opportunity, it's a 150 euro flight to Rome


    The population of Ireland has increased 1.4 million since 1979. People believed the census stating 78 percent RC when we clearly are below 50 percent. They thought that they would turn away another 500,000 on top of the 500,000 they were sure they would get in the park.

    The church now needs to take a long look at itself.

    The government needs to take a long look at how it views our population & the running of our schools.

    The general public needs to take a long look at itself & in particular how it fills out the census form. Giving out about the control of the church isn't good enough if you really aren't RC don't put it on the census

    Many lessons to be learned by all of us after this fiasco of a weekend


  • #2306
    Annasopra
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    130,000?

    Thats really mad considering that a huge amount of those 130,000 do not live here.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #2307
    Sleeper12
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    Joeytheparrot wrote:
    130,000?


    I hate to be petty but the Gardai actually said less than 130,000.


  • #2308
    Try_harder
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    Gardai arent standing over that figure


  • #2309
    Sleeper12
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    Try_harder wrote:
    Gardai arent standing over that figure


    Have you a link to that?

    I haven't seen any tickets but I would have thought that like any gig or event that the tickets would be scanned on entry. I assumed this was how the Gardai released official numbers so quickly.

    So the number could actually be less than 100,000? It looked about 85,000 to me going by 80,000 in Slane or 85,000 in Croke Park


  • #2310
    Seth Brundle
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    Edward M wrote: »
    I'm a catholic, mostly no practicing, but I will attend services at times, funerals and masses for family members and such.
    I still call myself catholic, that's my ethnicity I think, I maybe wrong, but if a document comes in, like the census, I will identify myself as being a catholic.
    According to Herr Ratzinger when he was in charge you must attend mass amongst other things to be a member of the club.
    Just because you identify as roman catholic doesn't make you one so why do you call yourself one if you aren't committed to it?


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  • #2311
    Irish Kings
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    Edward M wrote: »
    I'm a catholic, mostly no practicing, but I will attend services at times, funerals and masses for family members and such.
    I still call myself catholic, that's my ethnicity I think, I maybe wrong, but if a document comes in, like the census, I will identify myself as being a catholic.


    Why would a "Catholic" not want to pray and go to mass ?, what you actually mean is you have some sort of cultural catholic background, that's not what the census is asking though.


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