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So who's going to see the Pope?

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  • #2462
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,391 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    awec wrote: »
    Religion "gives" many people the structure to live "good" lives, as deemed "good" by the church.

    These are some of the things that we enjoy freely today, despite kicking and screaming from the church: divorce, contraception, married women in the public sector, being gay and not being a criminal, tampons.

    You understand that, right? The church believes people who wear condoms are not good people, in fact I think it labelled them "evil".

    Many of our modern human rights come from religion : killing another human being wrong at all times, the concept of forgiveness and a person being given a second chance. charity towards others, the need to look after the poor etc. It is not entirely clear if all of these would have developed without the Church : they might have but then again might not.


  • #2463
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,774 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Peatys wrote: »
    I'm sure it's just coincidence that not long after the abortion and gay marriage referendums passed the pope turns up on a propaganda tour.
    If you're sick of looking at tourists trying to spread out in a half full croker, have a goo a this.

    Step outside the aul echo chamber

    Yes as it was announced in Philadelphia in 2015 that it would be held in Dublin in 2018.
    The Pope always attends this event.


  • #2464
    Peatys
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,881 ✭✭✭Peatys


    Rosie2018 wrote: »
    I think you're not the sharpest Peaty. This was organised long before the Abortion Referendum, probably Gay Marriage too. All Irelands put back etc.
    When do you think it was organised?


  • #2465
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 55,068 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Strazdas wrote: »
    Many of our modern human rights come from religion : killing another human being wrong at all times, the concept of forgiveness and a person being given a second chance. charity towards others, the need to look after the poor etc. It is not entirely clear if all of these would have developed without the Church : they might have but then again might not.
    You have absolutely no idea whatsoever if this is true or not.

    I think we already busted this myth about 10 pages ago.


  • #2466
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    Rosie2018 wrote: »
    Not where I'm from in Kilkenny.

    The twilight zone in Kilkenny?


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  • #2467
    Rosie2018
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 160 ✭✭Rosie2018


    Peatys wrote: »
    When do you think it was organised?

    2014/2015 I'd say. Around Philadelphia 2015. Like World Cups.

    In fairness the pope is speaking well.


  • #2468
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,678 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    awec wrote: »
    You have absolutely no idea whatsoever if this is true or not.

    I think we already busted this myth about 10 pages ago.

    Like you say Awec, they aren't behind the fence when it comes to taking credit for the good stuff. :)


  • #2469
    Rosie2018
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 160 ✭✭Rosie2018


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    The twilight zone in Kilkenny?

    No. A modern Irish county. Not Bubba land ;)


  • #2470
    Irish Kings
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 494 ✭✭Irish Kings


    Strazdas wrote: »
    Many of our modern human rights come from religion : killing another human being wrong at all times,

    no its not, not if the people vote for it in a referendum, like most Catholics did


  • #2471
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    Rosie2018 wrote:
    Move over.. there's only one Francie in town and it ain't you


    Tut tut calling Pope Francis "Francie" I only called him Frank which you took great exception to. Hypocrite much? lol


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  • #2472
    Rosie2018
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 160 ✭✭Rosie2018


    Irish Kings wrote: »
    no its not, not if the people vote for it in a referendum

    It might be legal. But it's not moral for a practising Catholic. If you're in the club you have rules.


  • #2473
    Irish Kings
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 494 ✭✭Irish Kings


    Rosie2018 wrote: »
    It might be legal. But it's not moral for a practising Catholic. If you're in the club you have rules.

    No you don't as many Catholic's who met the Pope today proved.


  • #2474
    irishman86
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭irishman86


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Was that what all those religious wars and butchery that went on, was for? Refining men? Who knew!
    awec wrote: »
    More nonsense.

    Maybe read a book, its considered the leading factor in why humans survived/evolved. They had a reason to come together that was it. It created a us when before there was only a I
    Like i dont give a **** about religion either way but smarter people than i have it as the deciding factor
    In the exact same way as sports work today with tribalism, its not hard to see a Munster connection the same way as a Leinster connection
    Before was religion now we have sports


  • #2475
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 55,068 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Rosie2018 wrote: »
    It might be legal. But it's not moral for a practising Catholic. If you're in the club you have rules.
    The number of catholics who abide by all the rules must be somewhere around the zero mark.

    If that is your definition of catholic then you're in a very exclusive club.


  • #2476
    Rosie2018
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 160 ✭✭Rosie2018


    awec wrote: »
    You have absolutely no idea whatsoever if this is true or not.

    I think we already busted this myth about 10 pages ago.

    'We' are you some sort of plurality now?! You busted nothing kid but just kept repeating ad nauseum, 'prove me wrong'.


  • #2477
    irishman86
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭irishman86


    Discodog wrote: »
    Religion had to exist. People had to be scared in order to obey. But that has changed, we have the law now.

    Religion was around a lot longer than the need to obey, christ does anyone on here read


  • #2478
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,678 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Rosie2018 wrote: »
    It might be legal. But it's not moral for a practising Catholic. If you're in the club you have rules.

    What happens people who rape children in your church?


  • #2479
    irishman86
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭irishman86


    Autochange wrote: »
    It will die off.

    If your next argument is , i just know i will die :pac:


  • #2480
    WinnyThePoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    What happens people who rape children in your church?

    Shhh!


  • #2481
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 55,068 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    What happens people who rape children in your church?
    Nothing usually.

    Sometimes a promotion.


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  • #2482
    Rosie2018
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 160 ✭✭Rosie2018


    awec wrote: »
    The number of catholics who abide by all the rules must be somewhere around the zero mark.

    If that is your definition of catholic then you're in a very exclusive club.

    100% wrong. What's new. A third of the population voted against abortion. How is that around zero? Have you a survey on Catholics who don't use contraception? Thought not..

    It just further illustrates that you talk nonsense.


  • #2483
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,678 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    awec wrote: »
    Nothing usually.

    Sometimes a promotion.

    And a cover up and denial from the faithful and a trip in a pickup around Dublin for the man who oversees it all.


  • #2484
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    awec wrote: »
    Nothing usually.

    Sometimes a promotion.

    Or a nice 4 bed house in a county of your choosing!!


  • #2485
    Irish Kings
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 494 ✭✭Irish Kings


    Rosie2018 wrote: »
    100% wrong. What's new. A third of the population voted against abortion. How is that around zero? Have you a survey on Catholics who don't use contraception? Thought not..

    It just further illustrates that you talk nonsense.

    and yet 80% of people in Ireland are Catholic according to the census, so the referendum would never have passed unless lots of Catholics voted for abortion.


  • #2486
    Rosie2018
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 160 ✭✭Rosie2018


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    What happens people who rape children in your church?

    I've never witnessed a rape in my church. I'd go to the gardai.

    What do you do when people are raped in your political party? Aren't you a big fan of the BBC? Did you complain online or in print about their sex scandals and rape?


  • #2487
    dasdog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,892 ✭✭✭dasdog


    If there is something worse than devout Catholics it's Protestants.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kacs5YdJ4Q


  • #2488
    Rosie2018
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 160 ✭✭Rosie2018


    Irish Kings wrote: »
    and yet 80% of people in Ireland are Catholic according to the census, so the referendum would never have passed unless lots of Catholics voted for abortion.

    That wasn't the question posed. Zero percent of Catholics practice properly according to Mr. I don't have to prove anything just say stuff.


  • #2489
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,863 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    What happens people who rape children in your church?

    Well, in some organisations, those who are guilty of child abuse get helped to find a job working with children in another jurisdiction.


  • #2490
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,391 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    awec wrote: »
    You have absolutely no idea whatsoever if this is true or not.

    I think we already busted this myth about 10 pages ago.

    Modern society could have decided that killing others is absolutely fine and not a taboo at all. It is far from a given that society would have adapted and evolved at the same pace without the existence of the Church.

    The idea of forgiving those who do personal harm to you seemed to emerge with Christianity and did not exist before then.


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  • #2491
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,863 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    I wouldn't get too annoyed at him, he is just trying to troll the thread. He knows very well that Adams addressed his faults in the issue with his brother. And there are no child abuse cases ongoing in a court nor none pending against any member of SF that I am aware of.


    Just like the Church got away with it for years, so does the Republican movement, just ask Mairia Cahill.


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