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Should we protest against the pope's visit?

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  • #1952
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,249 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Irish Kings wrote: »
    I'm really am staggered there are so few protesting.

    That's because most people will be going tomorrow.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • #1953
    tylercheribini
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭tylercheribini


    Irish Kings wrote: »
    I'm really am staggered there are so few protesting. It's bizarre and baffling to be honest. RTE has given large coverage to all the protesters on the news and there is only a handful at each of the locations they covered.

    Perhaps its to do with the organised protest gathering being tomorrow? I expect a considerable turn out at that.


  • #1954
    Achasanai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 730 ✭✭✭Achasanai


    irishman86 wrote: »
    Christ but some people in Ireland really are just stupid, what on earth would protesting the pope even achieve only to highlight how ****ing ignorant you are.
    Just ignore it if its not your thing


    Is it ignorant to protest the visit of the leader of an organisation that is (and I'm being generous here) dragging its heals on meeting agreed commitments in terms of financial payments to victims? An organisation that not only historically facilitated widespread rape of children throughout this country, but actively sought to spread it by transferring guilty priests to different parishes? An organisation that is still not doing anything near all in its power to stop the very same abuses from continuing in certain parishes right now?


    There's ignorance on display, that's for sure, but it's not amongst those protesting.


  • #1955
    irishman86
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭irishman86


    tylercheribini wrote: »
    Exercising a privilege that many countries do not enjoy.

    A abused privilege, that you will find most countries do have. We arent as special as people seem to think


  • #1956
    irishman86
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭irishman86


    Irish Kings wrote: »
    I'm really am staggered there are so few protesting. It's bizarre and baffling to be honest. RTE has given large coverage to all the protesters on the news and there is only a handful at each of the locations they covered.

    Thankfully the people of Ireland arent all idiots. It shows were progressing as a country.
    I look forward to our next retarded protest


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  • #1957
    Discodog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,011 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    irishman86 wrote: »
    They can, that doesnt stop them being stupid



    Yawn, people dont think that at all about Ireland.
    You realise we arent the only religion in the world and definitely not the only ones who have been affected by it.
    Maybe find something else to worry about like the fact it was Irish men abusing these children. But hey no lets rant and rave about a Argentine :rolleyes:
    Like i said already, you all come across as idiots

    Yes Irish abusers given permission by Rome.


  • #1958
    Odhinn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,471 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    irishman86 wrote: »
    Christ but some people in Ireland really are just stupid, what on earth would protesting the pope even achieve only to highlight how ****ing ignorant you are.
    Just ignore it if its not your thing




    Highlight selling peoples children, the use of minors and women as slave labour, untold amounts of sexual, physical and mental abuse over decades, hypocrisy, abuse of power and privilege......things like that.


  • #1959
    Discodog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,011 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    Odhinn wrote: »
    Highlight selling peoples children, the use of minors and women as slave labour, untold amounts of sexual, physical and mental abuse over decades, hypocrisy, abuse of power and privilege......things like that.

    Things that clearly some still agree with.


  • #1960
    An_Toirpin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 424 ✭✭An_Toirpin


    B0jangles wrote: »
    I hadn't really planned on going in to the protest tomorrow, but after all the mealy-mouthed equivocation in the last week or so, from multiple very senior clergymen - all those long-flowery phrases expressing nothing more than the usual hollow claptrap I'm definitely going, as are most of my family.

    If they think they can wring their hands and ask for forgiveness while STILL continuing to do everything they can to prevent the truth from coming out, they are in for a rude awakening.
    What mealy-mouthed equivocation? I am just not seeing that. At this stage I dont see how many more apologies are needed. They have been for years. All the signs are that the efforts to stamp out abuse 15 odd years ago worked.


  • #1961
    irishman86
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭irishman86


    Achasanai wrote: »
    Is it ignorant to protest the visit of the leader of an organisation that is (and I'm being generous here) dragging its heals on meeting agreed commitments in terms of financial payments to victims? An organisation that not only historically facilitated widespread rape of children throughout this country, but actively sought to spread it by transferring guilty priests to different parishes? An organisation that is still not doing anything near all in its power to stop the very same abuses from continuing in certain parishes right now?


    There's ignorance on display, that's for sure, but it's not amongst those protesting.

    Yes it is ignorant, i hope you find peace in my answer


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  • #1962
    B0jangles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭B0jangles


    irishman86 wrote: »
    They can, that doesnt stop them being stupid



    Yawn, people dont think that at all about Ireland.
    You realise we arent the only religion in the world and definitely not the only ones who have been affected by it.
    Maybe find something else to worry about like the fact it was Irish men abusing these children. But hey no lets rant and rave about a Argentine :rolleyes:
    Like i said already, you all come across as idiots


    Is there no game on you could be watching? Big league tiddlywinks? the International POG finals?

    Leave us idiots over here to talk about trying to bring to justice an organization which for decades covered up rampant child abuse and which may be continuing to do so.


  • #1963
    irishman86
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭irishman86


    Discodog wrote: »
    Yes Irish abusers given permission by Rome.

    :rolleyes:


  • #1964
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,249 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Maybe ppl are tired of it all at this stage. Or they have a sense of closure on those past crimes and have turned the page.

    Sounds like you want it all swept under the carpet and forgotten about. That is not going to happen.

    How can closure come about when this church is still refusing to release its records? Still shielding abusers and those who covered up abuse? Still refusing to pay the compensation it agreed to pay?

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • #1965
    B0jangles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭B0jangles


    An_Toirpin wrote: »
    What mealy-mouthed equivocation? I am just not seeing that. At this stage I dont see how many more apologies are needed. They have been for years. All the signs are that the efforts to stamp out abuse 15 odd years ago worked.

    Release their files.

    Hand the perpetrators over to the police.

    Co-operate fully.

    Apologies are meaningless if they are still covering up to protect themselves and their precious precious money.


  • #1966
    irishman86
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭irishman86


    Odhinn wrote: »
    Highlight selling peoples children, the use of minors and women as slave labour, untold amounts of sexual, physical and mental abuse over decades, hypocrisy, abuse of power and privilege......things like that.

    Did you protest Barack Obama, how about the queen who all have this in there past. About as much connection as a Argentine
    Like i said stupid be stupid


  • #1967
    Odhinn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,471 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    An_Toirpin wrote: »
    What mealy-mouthed equivocation? I am just not seeing that. At this stage I dont see how many more apologies are needed. They have been for years. All the signs are that the efforts to stamp out abuse 15 odd years ago worked.




    Then why are more revelations coming out, year after year? The church only says mea culpa when its caught - it does not out the known abusers in its ranks or make available information on them of its own voilition.


  • #1968
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,249 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    irishman86 wrote: »
    Thankfully the people of Ireland arent all idiots.

    No, only a minority are going to see the pope :)
    It shows were progressing as a country.

    Sure does!
    I look forward to our next retarded protest

    You stay classy now.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • #1969
    B0jangles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭B0jangles


    irishman86 wrote: »
    Did you protest Barack Obama, how about the queen who all have this in there past. About as much connection as a Argentine
    Like i said stupid be stupid


    Do you think people are protesting because he's from Argentina?
    Do you understand at any level how the church works?

    Francis is the CEO, he was handpicked and elected by the board - he is the leader of the organisation and as such, he is responsible.


  • #1970
    irishman86
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭irishman86


    B0jangles wrote: »
    Is there no game on you could be watching? Big league tiddlywinks? the International POG finals?

    Leave us idiots over here to talk about trying to bring to justice an organization which for decades covered up rampant child abuse and which may be continuing to do so.

    Yawn, so tiresome
    Justice :pac: what justice should be put on old Francis exactly, what crimes did he commit in rural Ireland


  • #1971
    Odhinn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,471 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    irishman86 wrote: »
    Did you protest Barack Obama, how about the queen who all have this in there past. About as much connection as a Argentine
    Like i said stupid be stupid


    Obama and the queen ran Artane, the magdalen laundries and hid child abuse for decades?


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  • #1972
    B0jangles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭B0jangles


    irishman86 wrote: »
    Yawn, so tiresome
    Justice :pac: what justice should be put on old Francis exactly, what crimes did he commit in rural Ireland


    Listen, you go off and have a read of the wikipedia page about the structure of the catholic church and come back to the discussion when you have even the barest bones of an understanding of how it works, ok?


  • #1973
    Discodog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,011 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    irishman86 wrote: »
    :rolleyes:

    Is that all you can manage ? If you know abuse is happening - the Pope did & you just move the abuser somewhere else to carry on abusing - which the Pope did & then refuse to hand over the documentation you are giving the abusers permission.


  • #1974
    tylercheribini
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭tylercheribini


    An_Toirpin wrote: »
    What mealy-mouthed equivocation? I am just not seeing that. At this stage I dont see how many more apologies are needed. They have been for years. All the signs are that the efforts to stamp out abuse 15 odd years ago worked.

    Religious groups still owe €1.3 billion for institutional child abuse.


  • #1975
    irishman86
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭irishman86


    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    No, only a minority of stupid protesters are going to see the pope :)



    Sure does!



    You stay classy now.

    Fixed your post buddy, i know sometimes its tough to type through tears


  • #1976
    Irish Kings
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 494 ✭✭Irish Kings


    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

    How can closure come about when this church is still refusing to release its records? Still shielding abusers and those who covered up abuse? Still refusing to pay the compensation it agreed to pay?

    Why do the current authorities in the state refuse to arrest a single Irish bishop for questioning or issue a single warrant to search their files ? This is what gets to me. Of course criminals are going to get away with, and continue to get away with perverting the course of justice in the future if the current Irish authorities won't administer the criminal justice system and provide some justice for the victims. There seems to be a media blackout on this glaring omission as well.


  • #1977
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,876 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Everyone has their opinions. Mine is live and let live.
    Just like Fr Brendan Smyth had been allowed to live?


  • #1978
    irishman86
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭irishman86


    B0jangles wrote: »
    Do you think people are protesting because he's from Argentina?
    Do you understand at any level how the church works?

    Francis is the CEO, he was handpicked and elected by the board - he is the leader of the organisation and as such, he is responsible.
    I think people are protesting because they are stupid, im highlighting that Francis has zero connection to those past crimes

    Do you understand how the church works
    Or history
    Like i said, Barack should be ashamed how those Negro boys were treated
    The queen has to look how she handled the famine
    etc etc etc


  • #1979
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,249 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    irishman86 wrote: »
    Yawn, so tiresome
    Justice :pac: what justice should be put on old Francis exactly, what crimes did he commit in rural Ireland

    Why won't Francis release the records relating to abuse? All bishops/cardinals were instructed to forward files on all allegations of abuse to the Vatican.

    Why won't Francis turn over to national police forces all the alleged abusers and abuse cover uppers hiding out in the Vatican? The Vatican has no extradition treaties. It's a safe haven for abusers hiding from justice.

    Why won't Francis compel the religious orders in Ireland to pay the compensation they agreed?

    Those are three things he could do right now, but won't.

    He has good PR though...

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • #1980
    Discodog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,011 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    irishman86 wrote: »
    Did you protest Barack Obama, how about the queen who all have this in there past. About as much connection as a Argentine
    Like i said stupid be stupid

    An Argentine that was a Cardinal before. Are you really suggesting that a Cardinal wouldn't know about a huge issue affecting the Church ?


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  • #1981
    irishman86
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭irishman86


    Odhinn wrote: »
    Obama and the queen ran Artane, the magdalen laundries and hid child abuse for decades?

    No the queens predecessors did far worse, you know like abuse our people for centuries :rolleyes:
    I cringe over you guys


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