RTE - 25 Irish People Defining Irish Culture 2018

ohnonotgmail · 21-08-2018 05:19PM

judeboy101 wrote: »

Governments change, reality is subjective. But when you are born in Ireland and registered at birth in the records of the republic, when you claim no kinship or loyalty to any other people or nation, then you are Irish.

I will leave you to wallow in your delusional little world.

Woke Hogan · 21-08-2018 05:21PM

judeboy101 wrote: »

Governments change, reality is subjective. But when you are born in Ireland and registered at birth in the records of the republic, when you claim no kinship or loyalty to any other people or nation, then you are Irish.

What a load of ****e.

judeboy101 · 21-08-2018 05:23PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

judeboy101 wrote: »

No, the Po's is just an automatic right given to Irish born, its that she doesn't identify as Irish.

she identifies as ethiopian irish. so irish.

Ethiopian first, you'll notice. And she is at pains to highlight that at all opportunities. I don't hear many Irish people self identifying as leitrim-Irish or carlow-Irish.

indioblack · 21-08-2018 05:23PM

judeboy101 wrote: »

My name appears on no register that bears the stamp of the lion and unicorn.

"Vot iss your name?"
"Don't tell him, Pike!"

ohnonotgmail · 21-08-2018 05:23PM

judeboy101 wrote: »

Ethiopian first, you'll notice. And she is at pains to highlight that at all opportunities. I don't hear many Irish people self identifying as leitrim-Irish or carlow-Irish.

ethiopian irish just rolls off the tongue better. you are reading too much into it.

RasTa · 21-08-2018 05:24PM

They aren't countries in case you are even more confused. She lost her dad when she was 4, probably one of the reasons why.

ohnonotgmail · 21-08-2018 05:24PM

Woke Hogan wrote: »

What a load of ****e.

You are far too polite.

dulpit · 21-08-2018 05:25PM

I have been getting more and more disillusioned with AH. It's become an absolute cesspit, a poster in this thread has proven that once again.

By that logic and off the top of my head: Ronan O'Gara, not Irish. Phil Lynott, not Irish. Dev, not Irish. James Connolly, not Irish.

Go away and cop yourself on, would ya?

irishproduce · 21-08-2018 05:27PM

Louise O'Neill and that clown with the plastic bag on his head, ffs.

ohnonotgmail · 21-08-2018 05:28PM

indioblack wrote: »

"Vot iss your name?"
"Don't tell him, Pike!"

that never stops being funny.

rainbowtrout · 21-08-2018 05:33PM

judeboy101 wrote: »

Ethiopian first, you'll notice. And she is at pains to highlight that at all opportunities. I don't hear many Irish people self identifying as leitrim-Irish or carlow-Irish.

Hate to break it to you but Leitrim is not an independent country. Neither is Carlow. Ethiopia is however. I seriously hope you're not a geography teacher. Or history for that matter.

southstar · 21-08-2018 05:36PM

judeboy101 wrote: »

Actually, they aren't. They have to fill out a form to get an Irish pps. I like all born in Ireland, was given one automatically at birth, I didn't have to ask for one. My name appears on no register that bears the stamp of the lion and unicorn. Everyone born in norn iron, even if they claim to be Irish, will have their name placed in the books of subjects of HM.

Northern Ireland.. Its all in the word Judeboy.... My brother is an American citizen... as Irish as feck

indioblack · 21-08-2018 05:51PM

southstar wrote: »

Northern Ireland.. Its all in the word Judeboy.... My brother is an American citizen... as Irish as feck

So was my brother. Born in England, lived all his life in Ireland, worked there, paid his dues, fiercely loyal to the land that reared him - now he's buried there.

judeboy101 · 21-08-2018 05:54PM

southstar wrote: »

judeboy101 wrote: »

Actually, they aren't. They have to fill out a form to get an Irish pps. I like all born in Ireland, was given one automatically at birth, I didn't have to ask for one. My name appears on no register that bears the stamp of the lion and unicorn. Everyone born in norn iron, even if they claim to be Irish, will have their name placed in the books of subjects of HM.

Northern Ireland.. Its all in the word Judeboy.... My brother is an American citizen... as Irish as feck

New Ireland is an island close to Indonesia, surely those ppl ain't Irish, its all in the word , southstar. To become an American citizen, if born to non American citizens outside American one must swear an oath forgoing all former allegiance. So your brother is no longer Irish, by his own hand.

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 21-08-2018 06:03PM

judeboy101 wrote: »

Governments change, reality is subjective. But when you are born in Ireland and registered at birth in the records of the republic, when you claim no kinship or loyalty to any other people or nation, then you are Irish.

Sorry to disappoint, but recent genetic research suggests that the Irish, English, Scots, and Welsh all share a common ancestry. The genetic influence of subsequent invaders such as the Celts, Anglo-Saxons, and Normans are far smaller than historians have tended to assume -- and so the British and Irish share far more in the way of kinship than would make you happy. Stephen Oppenheimer's The Origins of the British has much more on the research.

touts · 21-08-2018 06:16PM

Assetbacked wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/special-reports/defining-irish-culture/

I must admit I do not know who the vast majority of these people are. However, I feel that there should at least be a sportsperson (not McGregor), politician and perhaps a chef in the list.

On further reflection, this list contains 6 men and 19 women. That is peculiar, especially given the men that were selected. It is as if the list was created by a woman and one who is willing to promote mediocrity for the sake of the sisterhood. That could be just my fragile masculinity talking.

Meh! I'll wager the author moves in the same social lovee set as quite a few of these and decided to throw their unknown mates into a list with international talent like Ronan and Gleeson. They'll be getting quite a few "oh my god!"s and air kisses and free designer Gins next Saturday noight. Next year no one will remember who half these people were.

judeboy101 · 21-08-2018 06:47PM

RasTa wrote: »

They aren't countries in case you are even more confused. She lost her dad when she was 4, probably one of the reasons why.

dulpit wrote: »

I have been getting more and more disillusioned with AH. It's become an absolute cesspit, a poster in this thread has proven that once again.

By that logic and off the top of my head: Ronan O'Gara, not Irish. Phil Lynott, not Irish. Dev, not Irish. James Connolly, not Irish.

Go away and cop yourself on, would ya?

Nope, all have Irish ancestry. But not Irish. It's not that hard to understand.

judeboy101 · 21-08-2018 06:51PM

Everett Spoiled Wimp wrote: »

judeboy101 wrote: »

Governments change, reality is subjective. But when you are born in Ireland and registered at birth in the records of the republic, when you claim no kinship or loyalty to any other people or nation, then you are Irish.

Sorry to disappoint, but recent genetic research suggests that the Irish, English, Scots, and Welsh all share a common ancestry. The genetic influence of subsequent invaders such as the Celts, Anglo-Saxons, and Normans are far smaller than historians have tended to assume -- and so the British and Irish share far more in the way of kinship than would make you happy. Stephen Oppenheimer's The Origins of the British has much more on the research.

All humans share common ancestry. I'm talking about ppl who claim to be Irish but self identify by their actions to be either German, American or Ethiopian. I could claim to be north Korean or Australian but I wasn't born in either of those countries.

Ipso · 21-08-2018 07:31PM

Everett Spoiled Wimp wrote: »

Sorry to disappoint, but recent genetic research suggests that the Irish, English, Scots, and Welsh all share a common ancestry. The genetic influence of subsequent invaders such as the Celts, Anglo-Saxons, and Normans are far smaller than historians have tended to assume -- and so the British and Irish share far more in the way of kinship than would make you happy. Stephen Oppenheimer's The Origins of the British has much more on the research.

That book is seriously out of date. There were two material population upheavals since the Ice Age; the spread of farming from the Levant via Southern Europe and the Yamnaya/Bell beaker culture that spread the Indo European languages from the Pontic Caspian Steppe from the mid Bronze Age onwards.
http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2013/12/ancient-human-genomes-suggest-three.html

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 22-08-2018 11:04AM

Ipso wrote: »

That book is seriously out of date.

It was published just 12 years ago. Its core thesis -- that the impact of the Anglo-Saxons and the Celts on the genetic makeup of the British Isles has been vastly overstated by historians, who have tended to overestimate differences and underestimate similarities for reasons of politics and identity -- is amply substantiated by the research presented.

southstar · 23-08-2018 11:03AM

judeboy101 wrote: »

All humans share common ancestry. I'm talking about ppl who claim to be Irish but self identify by their actions to be either German, American or Ethiopian. I could claim to be north Korean or Australian but I wasn't born in either of those countries.

Not the brightest are you.... and like a petulant teenager need to be right all the time no matter what tosh you need to post... like I said my brother is an American citizen.. a status he needed to live and work there and very grateful for.. but Irish to the core.. if nuance is beyond your intellectual reach stick to the Niall Boylan show

judeboy101 · 23-08-2018 11:19AM

southstar wrote: »

judeboy101 wrote: »

All humans share common ancestry. I'm talking about ppl who claim to be Irish but self identify by their actions to be either German, American or Ethiopian. I could claim to be north Korean or Australian but I wasn't born in either of those countries.

Not the brightest are you.... and like a petulant teenager need to be right all the time no matter what tosh you need to post... like I said my brother is an American citizen.. a status he needed to live and work there and very grateful for.. but Irish to the core.. if nuance is beyond your intellectual reach stick to the Niall Boylan show

Did he swear an oath like this one? ""I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."

So your brother renounces his duty to the Irish state for a few dollars more?

Classy.

southstar · 23-08-2018 09:07PM

judeboy101 wrote: »

Did he swear an oath like this one? ""I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."

So your brother renounces his duty to the Irish state for a few dollars more?

So now he's neither Irish.. nor by your childish reasoning is he American.... so maybe its Harry Potterland... and you still think you have a point.. by the way are you Irish

George White · 23-08-2018 09:20PM

judeboy101 wrote: »

No Margaret cash, and at least 3 of them aren't even Irish.

(Pressiner, Ronan and negga aren't Irish)

A person is born in space. Where are they from?
Also, Horgan was born in London, if you are discounting the others.

Irish Guitarist · 23-08-2018 09:37PM

They're either artsy-fartsy types that hold no appeal to the average person, actresses that star in American films or they weren't even born here.

judeboy101 · 23-08-2018 10:04PM

George White wrote: »

judeboy101 wrote: »

No Margaret cash, and at least 3 of them aren't even Irish.

(Pressiner, Ronan and negga aren't Irish)

A person is born in space. Where are they from?
Also, Horgan was born in London, if you are discounting the others.

I think rules for space, air and water are well know. It depends on flag of vessel port on arrival and nationality rules of that port. Forgot about horgan.

judeboy101 · 23-08-2018 10:06PM

southstar wrote: »

judeboy101 wrote: »

Did he swear an oath like this one? ""I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."

So your brother renounces his duty to the Irish state for a few dollars more?

So now he's neither Irish.. nor by your childish reasoning is he American.... so maybe its Harry Potterland... and you still think you have a point.. by the way are you Irish

If he swore an oath to US, he's American. Simples.

Irish Guitarist · 23-08-2018 11:19PM

That flag pole with the smoke coming out of it reminds me of the time I was in an art gallery and came across some of the weirdest shit I've ever seen.

This really confused me. I thought some workman had left his paint bucket behind until I saw the light bulb in it. I never figured out if the sign was part of the 'statement' the artist was making or it was legitimately not working.

This kind of 'art' means absolutely nothing to the majority of people.

pleas advice · 23-08-2018 11:44PM

George White wrote: »

A person is born in space. Where are they from?.

Arcade_Tryer · 24-08-2018 12:02AM

judeboy101 wrote: »

No Margaret cash, and at least 3 of them aren't even Irish.

(Pressiner, Ronan and negga aren't Irish)

Who cares?

Also, the title of the article does not say "Irish people" but rather just "people". The Op includes the term Irish people as an aside to the article. Irish culture is not defined by Irish people; it is defined by people living and breathing and sh*tting in Ireland.

RTE - 25 Irish People Defining Irish Culture 2018

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