Boy, 13, stabbed in Dublin (possibly by an 8 year old boy)

Beta Ray Bill · 22-08-2018 02:36PM

riffmongous wrote: »

You teach people violence against kids is ok and you end up with the cases where someone loses control or the kid fights back and it escalates

Sorry but I need to disagree with you on this.
I got many a clatter from my Mam when I was a kid and deserved it cause I was a little ****.
I never attempted to hit her back, and certainly would never use a lump hammer or a knife as a weapon against someone.

To suggest that a clip around the ear ends up in 8 year old kids stabbing people is wrong.

PlaneSpeeking · 22-08-2018 02:37PM

grahambo wrote: »

Sorry but I need to disagree with you on this.
I got many a clatter from my Mam when I was a kid and deserved it cause I was a little ****.
I never attempted to hit her back, and certainly would never use a lump hammer or a knife as a weapon against someone.

To suggest that a clip around the ear ends up in 8 year old kids stabbing people is wrong.

Thank you! There is common sense after all!

jimgoose · 22-08-2018 02:39PM

"The boy is suspected of stabbing a man three times, including in the chest and arm, after he stormed a house belonging to people that his family is allegedly feuding with."

This is an eight-year-old child, not much more than a toddler from my perspective. There seems to be an entire sub-culture out there that most of use never encounter, but who appear to be getting steadily worse. :eek:

22-08-2018 02:41PM

grahambo wrote: »

Sorry but I need to disagree with you on this.
I got many a clatter from my Mam when I was a kid and deserved it cause I was a little ****.
I never attempted to hit her back, and certainly would never use a lump hammer or a knife as a weapon against someone.

To suggest that a clip around the ear ends up in 8 year old kids stabbing people is wrong.

Well good for you, but there's plenty of kids out there who weren't so lucky that their ma stopped with a clatter or 'deserved it'

Summer wind · 22-08-2018 03:34PM

I can’t believe this. It’s horrific like the plot of a film. What kind of a life has that 8 year old child had. It’s unbelievable that a small child would be capable of this.

hatrickpatrick · 22-08-2018 04:07PM

And yet, you have people like One Eyed Jack regularly arguing here on Boards that parents with psychotic or psychopathic violent tendencies should not have their children removed from their case. This kind of sh!t is the inevitable result of allowing kids to be brought up in that kind of environment. I don't doubt for a second that the parents of those involved here are exactly the kinds of scumbags which regularly come up in these threads, and that in a thread involving just the parents, there would be people arguing that they should be allowed to retain custody of their kids despite being complete and total scumbags.

Remember this video from a few months ago?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7UkhLLEwrs

You had people in threads here on Boards genuinely arguing that she's fit to look after that poor kid in the pram, while she's obviously off her head and flying into a violent, uncontrolled, destructive rage and engaging in wanton anti social behaviour.

If we as a society are tolerant of people like that being parents, then how can we be surprised when kids grow up with scumbag tendencies? I'm assuming the kids in this case never had much of a chance to become anything other than scumbags themselves, given the description of a "family feud" - they've probably grown up seeing their parents resort to violence and vandalism as a solution to problems. Kid see, kid do.

Incredibly depressing stuff.

22-08-2018 04:30PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

And yet, you have people like One Eyed Jack regularly arguing here on Boards that parents with psychotic or psychopathic violent tendencies should not have their children removed from their case. This kind of sh!t is the inevitable result of allowing kids to be brought up in that kind of environment. I don't doubt for a second that the parents of those involved here are exactly the kinds of scumbags which regularly come up in these threads, and that in a thread involving just the parents, there would be people arguing that they should be allowed to retain custody of their kids despite being complete and total scumbags.

Remember this video from a few months ago?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7UkhLLEwrs

You had people in threads here on Boards genuinely arguing that she's fit to look after that poor kid in the pram, while she's obviously off her head and flying into a violent, uncontrolled, destructive rage and engaging in wanton anti social behaviour.

If we as a society are tolerant of people like that being parents, then how can we be surprised when kids grow up with scumbag tendencies? I'm assuming the kids in this case never had much of a chance to become anything other than scumbags themselves, given the description of a "family feud" - they've probably grown up seeing their parents resort to violence and vandalism as a solution to problems. Kid see, kid do.

Incredibly depressing stuff.

Find an alternative is the issue. Where do all the kids (who I agree are with unfit parents) go?

hatrickpatrick · 22-08-2018 04:39PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Find an alternative is the issue. Where do all the kids (who I agree are with unfit parents) go?

I agree that this is a problem, but that wasn't the angle taken by those opposed to their removal, it was more this ridiculous ideological idea that behaving like this doesn't automatically make a person an unfit parent. In my view, it 100% does, no ifs, no buts.

strandroad · 22-08-2018 04:49PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I agree that this is a problem, but that wasn't the angle taken by those opposed to their removal, it was more this ridiculous ideological idea that behaving like this doesn't automatically make a person an unfit parent. In my view, it 100% does, no ifs, no buts.

I agree with you. We can't take them away but by leaving them in the care of obviously unfit parents we acknowledge that we're failing them.
Many countries try to help through schools; if the parents are not there for a child, the child will still have school clubs, activities, afterschool assisted homework and solid meals. We just give cash benefit to the parents instead.

RustyNut · 22-08-2018 04:54PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

I'm going to say we can assume a particular background to the "feuding clans" ?

What's this assumption based on, bigotry or telepathy?

Boy, 13, stabbed in Dublin (possibly by an 8 year old boy)

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