Boy, 13, stabbed in Dublin (possibly by an 8 year old boy)

Beta Ray Bill

Only reports at this stage, that an 8 year old boy was involved in (did the) stabbing.

It's hard to believe someone so young could do something like this.
Maybe the 8 year old was bullied by the older kid, or maybe he's just another skanger.

There seems to be more and more violence in society, such to the extent that it's becoming "The Norm".
It's very hard to see what the fix is for this. Prison? Better Education?

To add to this (could be worth it's own thread) there seems to be a large number of people in particular Young Men and Teenage Girls going missing in the greater Dublin area every week. The Teenage girls often show up but the Men don't.

I'm actually kind of nervous living in Dublin at this stage (Having lived here my whole life) with the stuff I'm reading in the news.

Does anyone else feel things are getting worse?

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/boy-13-stabbed-in-dublin-863758.html

Gardaí are investigating the stabbing of a 13-year-old boy in Inchicore in Dublin.

A 23-year-old man was also injured in the attack at Myra Close on Friday evening.

Detectives say they were wounded after a number of people entered a house at around 6.15pm.

Their injuries are not thought to be life-threatening.

Gardaí would not comment on reports that an eight-year-old boy was involved in the incident.

They said: "This is a protracted investigation involving many strands, no further information is available at this stage".

A number of people have been questioned in relation to the incident.

The investigation and enquiries are ongoing.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/crime/boy-8-stabbed-man-three-times-during-row-at-dublin-house-37240591.html

AN eight-year-old boy allegedly stabbed a man three times in the chest and arm during a melee between feuding neighbours.

The boy is suspected of stabbing a man three times, including in the chest and arm, after he stormed a house belonging to people that his family is allegedly feuding with.

Details revealed that the also led to a 13-year-old boy being beaten over the head with a hammer.

The two victims are brothers and both suffered “horrendous injuries” according to sources.

Kilmainham gardai are investigating the row that broke out in a house in Inchicore, in the capital’s south inner city, on Saturday evening.

Two women and a 13-year-old boy were arrested by officers.

The arrested juvenile is not the boy who was beaten over the head with the hammer.

The trio were all released without charge after being held at different south city garda stations over the weekend.

The eight-year-old cannot be prosecuted for the vicious knife attack because he is below the age of criminal responsibility.

Instead, gardai are expected to liaise with specialist social workers in an attempt to “manage his situation”. It is understood that officers in the south inner city are on “high alert” over the possibility of more arrests.

A senior source revealed that two men were treated at St James’s Hospital for non-life threatening injuries. It is understood that they have both since been discharged.

“There was a 13-year-old boy who suffered serious head injuries after being beaten over the head with a hammer and a 23-year-old man who was stabbed three times, including in the chest,” the source said.

“They are expected to be OK but no one really knows what is going to happen in relation to this feud between neighbours.

“It has been going on for a number of months and it is very hard to know what really started it.”

There are fears “rampant violent criminality” in the south inner city is now spiralling out of control.

The fact that an eight-year-old boy is suspected of alleged direct involvement in an attempted knife murder is considered to be a “new low” by detectives.

The last time that laws governing the age of criminal responsibility were amended was in 2006, when it was raised from seven to 12.

This means that children who have not reached the age of 12 cannot be charged with an offence.

There is an exception for children aged 10 or 11 who can be charged with murder, manslaughter, rape or aggravated sexual assault.

However, the eight-year-old stab suspect cannot be prosecuted on a charge of attempted murder.

Sources said gardai were “frustrated” they could not take a more active involvement in the case of the child. It is understood that officers feel “heavily under-resourced” in this particular area of the city.

“What happened in that house in Inchicore on Saturday night was outrageous – it was a real low in terms of crime in Ireland,” one source said.

It was also revealed that some of the people involved in the feud have links to a man who accidentally shot dead his friend in 2011.

Dean Short, of Lally Road, Ballyfermot, admitted killing Paul McCarthy (18) at a house at Emmet Road, Inchicore, when he appeared in court two-anda-half years ago.

Short (19) and Mr McCarthy were among a group of five teenagers smoking cannabis and playing with a loaded gun in the bedroom of a house in Myra Close, Emmet Road, on May 9, 2011.

Mr McCarthy took the gun out of a bag and started laughing and waving the firearm around.

After his friends told him to get it away from them, he told them to relax and said the gun did not work, before putting it down on the bed.

Short then picked the weapon up and pointed it at Mr McCarthy and said: “How do you like it now, Paulie?”

The gun went off in his hand, shooting Mr McCarthy in the head. He died a few hours later in hospital.

All four teenagers then ran from the bedroom, but Short went back and took the gun.

He dropped it into the garden as he fled. He handed himself in to gardai the next day and admitted what he had done.

Judge Mary Ellen Ring told Short that to point a gun even in jest was recklessness in the extreme.

However, she accepted that he did not set out to kill Mr McCarthy.

She sentenced Short to five-and-a-half years in prison, with one-and-a-half years suspended.

Foweva Awone

My understanding is that the man involved was assaulting both children, then the younger boy stabbed the man (he didn't stab the older boy.)

Very sad case.

salmocab

Had a quick look at this at OP you have so much wrong it’s ridiculous.

PlaneSpeeking

salmocab wrote: »

Had a quick look at this at OP you have so much wrong it’s ridiculous.

What is the actual story here then ?

Your Face

grahambo wrote: »

Only reports at this stage, that an 8 year old boy was involved in (did the) stabbing.

It's hard to believe someone so young could do something like this.
Maybe the 8 year old was bullied by the older kid, or maybe he's just another skanger.

There seems to be more and more violence in society, such to the extent that it's becoming "The Norm".
It's very hard to see what the fix is for this. Prison? Better Education?

To add to this (could be worth it's own thread) there seems to be a large number of people in particular Young Men and Teenage Girls going missing in the greater Dublin area every week. The Teenage girls often show up but the Men don't.

I'm actually kind of nervous living in Dublin at this stage (Having lived here my whole life) with the stuff I'm reading in the news.

Does anyone else feel things are getting worse?

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/boy-13-stabbed-in-dublin-863758.html

The style of this post is like something one would read in certain newspapers.

I'm not casting aspersions or anything like that.

Beta Ray Bill

Foweva Awone wrote: »

My understanding is that the man involved was assaulting both children, then the younger boy stabbed the man (he didn't stab the older boy.)

Very sad case.

How did the 13 year old boy get stabbed then?

salmocab wrote: »

Had a quick look at this at OP you have so much wrong it’s ridiculous.

I'm only reading what's be reported in multiple news articles.
If you know the story , can you share?

I genuinely hope it's a better story that what I've read in the press.

boombang

salmocab wrote: »

Had a quick look at this at OP you have so much wrong it’s ridiculous.

Please enlighten us. I thought I heard on the radio this morning that an eight year old had stabbed another child. That and the OP doesn't seem to be contradicted by the news article.

The indo is reporting there was an 8 year old involved and the guards can't do anything

Beta Ray Bill

bluewolf wrote: »

The indo is reporting there was an 8 year old involved and the guards can't do anything

I read this too.
How can this be?

Birneybau

Full story

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/crime/boy-8-stabbed-man-three-times-during-row-at-dublin-house-37240591.html

And why on Earth would you be terrified of feuding families ffs?

Star Bingo

Myra close that’s right next to Richmond Park.... area could have done with the proposed shopping centre / stadium combo but no; more social housing

Sal Butamol

I'm not surprised one bit.

The majority of people in this country lead very sheltered lives.

lawred2

Star Bingo wrote: »

Myra close that’s right next to Richmond Park.... area could have done with the proposed shopping centre / stadium combo but no; more social housing

sad isn't it

instead of urban regeneration - we'll get another inner city ghetto

Beta Ray Bill

Birneybau wrote: »

Full story

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/crime/boy-8-stabbed-man-three-times-during-row-at-dublin-house-37240591.html

Holy ****!

Birneybau wrote: »

And why on Earth would you be terrified of feuding families ffs?

It's the the feuding that's the issue.
It's the lack of respect for life and the ever more violent nature of people that worries me.
An 8 year old boy stabbing someone repeatedly and a 13 year old boy being beaten over the head with a hammer are certainly something for society to be worried about IMO.

lawred2

what sort of low intellect 23 year old tries to beat up kids?

PlaneSpeeking

I'm going to say we can assume a particular background to the "feuding clans" ?

Omackeral

grahambo wrote: »

I'm actually kind of nervous living in Dublin at this stage (Having lived here my whole life) with the stuff I'm reading in the news.

Best off staying inside so. Maybe invest in bubble wrap and stay of news sites too.

jam_mac_jam

That's horrific. I am amazed you can't be charged for anything once you are under 13. I never knew that before.

Omackeral

lawred2 wrote: »

what sort of low intellect 23 year old tries to beat up kids?

Probably one with a low intellect.

Steve F

grahambo wrote: »

Holy ****!



It's the the feuding that's the issue.
It's the lack of respect for life and the ever more violent nature of people that worries me.
An 8 year old boy stabbing someone repeatedly and a 13 year old boy being beaten over the head with a hammer are certainly something for society to be worried about IMO.

Absolutely correct.Agree with every word
Sadly,I believe we are all guilty of burying our heads in the sand about where society is going.And I include myself in that comment

Beta Ray Bill

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

That's horrific. I am amazed you can't be charged for anything once you are under 13. I never knew that before.

I did not know this either.
With the exception of murder, manslaughter, rape or aggravated sexual assault you can do whatever you want.
Mental!

PlaneSpeeking

Steve F wrote: »

Absolutely correct.Agree with every word
Sadly,I believe we are all guilty of burying our heads in the sand about where society is going.And I include myself in that comment

13 ???? It's bad enough that in the UK it is ten and there are people campaigning for it to be younger! That will never end well.

jam_mac_jam

A twelve year old knows the difference between right and wrong. That seems crazy to me.
Must be very frustrating for the Gardaí

lawred2

Omackeral wrote: »

Probably one with a low intellect.

Guy:Incognito

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

That's horrific. I am amazed you can't be charged for anything once you are under 13. I never knew that before.

Handy if you need criminal acts done that is within the capabilities of someone under 13.................

riffmongous

lawred2 wrote: »

what sort of low intellect 23 year old tries to beat up kids?

Plenty of people here defend hitting kids, check out any of the 'did your parents hit you threads'

strandroad

Hard to call it anything without the circumstances. The 13yo beaten on the head with a hammer, was it his brother? Was the 8yo trying to defend him?

PlaneSpeeking

riffmongous wrote: »

Plenty of people here defend hitting kids, check out any of the 'did your parents hit you threads'

Huge difference between me mam clipping me round the ear for doing something bad and taking a lump hammer to someone!!!

padd b1975

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

That's horrific. I am amazed you can't be charged for anything once you are under 13. I never knew that before.

You can "change gender" though, that's what's important!!

riffmongous

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Huge difference between me mam clipping me round the ear for doing something bad and taking a lump hammer to someone!!!

You teach people violence against kids is ok and you end up with the cases where someone loses control or the kid fights back and it escalates

PlaneSpeeking

riffmongous wrote: »

You teach people violence against kids is ok and you end up with the cases where someone loses control or the kid fights back

Oh that is such nonsense.

Beta Ray Bill

riffmongous wrote: »

You teach people violence against kids is ok and you end up with the cases where someone loses control or the kid fights back and it escalates

Sorry but I need to disagree with you on this.
I got many a clatter from my Mam when I was a kid and deserved it cause I was a little ****.
I never attempted to hit her back, and certainly would never use a lump hammer or a knife as a weapon against someone.

To suggest that a clip around the ear ends up in 8 year old kids stabbing people is wrong.

PlaneSpeeking

grahambo wrote: »

Sorry but I need to disagree with you on this.
I got many a clatter from my Mam when I was a kid and deserved it cause I was a little ****.
I never attempted to hit her back, and certainly would never use a lump hammer or a knife as a weapon against someone.

To suggest that a clip around the ear ends up in 8 year old kids stabbing people is wrong.

Thank you! There is common sense after all!

jimgoose

"The boy is suspected of stabbing a man three times, including in the chest and arm, after he stormed a house belonging to people that his family is allegedly feuding with."

This is an eight-year-old child, not much more than a toddler from my perspective. There seems to be an entire sub-culture out there that most of use never encounter, but who appear to be getting steadily worse. :eek:

riffmongous

grahambo wrote: »

Sorry but I need to disagree with you on this.
I got many a clatter from my Mam when I was a kid and deserved it cause I was a little ****.
I never attempted to hit her back, and certainly would never use a lump hammer or a knife as a weapon against someone.

To suggest that a clip around the ear ends up in 8 year old kids stabbing people is wrong.

Well good for you, but there's plenty of kids out there who weren't so lucky that their ma stopped with a clatter or 'deserved it'

Summer wind

I can’t believe this. It’s horrific like the plot of a film. What kind of a life has that 8 year old child had. It’s unbelievable that a small child would be capable of this.

hatrickpatrick

And yet, you have people like One Eyed Jack regularly arguing here on Boards that parents with psychotic or psychopathic violent tendencies should not have their children removed from their case. This kind of sh!t is the inevitable result of allowing kids to be brought up in that kind of environment. I don't doubt for a second that the parents of those involved here are exactly the kinds of scumbags which regularly come up in these threads, and that in a thread involving just the parents, there would be people arguing that they should be allowed to retain custody of their kids despite being complete and total scumbags.

Remember this video from a few months ago?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7UkhLLEwrs

You had people in threads here on Boards genuinely arguing that she's fit to look after that poor kid in the pram, while she's obviously off her head and flying into a violent, uncontrolled, destructive rage and engaging in wanton anti social behaviour.

If we as a society are tolerant of people like that being parents, then how can we be surprised when kids grow up with scumbag tendencies? I'm assuming the kids in this case never had much of a chance to become anything other than scumbags themselves, given the description of a "family feud" - they've probably grown up seeing their parents resort to violence and vandalism as a solution to problems. Kid see, kid do.

Incredibly depressing stuff.

hatrickpatrick

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

And yet, you have people like One Eyed Jack regularly arguing here on Boards that parents with psychotic or psychopathic violent tendencies should not have their children removed from their case. This kind of sh!t is the inevitable result of allowing kids to be brought up in that kind of environment. I don't doubt for a second that the parents of those involved here are exactly the kinds of scumbags which regularly come up in these threads, and that in a thread involving just the parents, there would be people arguing that they should be allowed to retain custody of their kids despite being complete and total scumbags.

Remember this video from a few months ago?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7UkhLLEwrs

You had people in threads here on Boards genuinely arguing that she's fit to look after that poor kid in the pram, while she's obviously off her head and flying into a violent, uncontrolled, destructive rage and engaging in wanton anti social behaviour.

If we as a society are tolerant of people like that being parents, then how can we be surprised when kids grow up with scumbag tendencies? I'm assuming the kids in this case never had much of a chance to become anything other than scumbags themselves, given the description of a "family feud" - they've probably grown up seeing their parents resort to violence and vandalism as a solution to problems. Kid see, kid do.

Incredibly depressing stuff.

Find an alternative is the issue. Where do all the kids (who I agree are with unfit parents) go?

hatrickpatrick

Deleted User wrote: »

Find an alternative is the issue. Where do all the kids (who I agree are with unfit parents) go?

I agree that this is a problem, but that wasn't the angle taken by those opposed to their removal, it was more this ridiculous ideological idea that behaving like this doesn't automatically make a person an unfit parent. In my view, it 100% does, no ifs, no buts.

strandroad

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I agree that this is a problem, but that wasn't the angle taken by those opposed to their removal, it was more this ridiculous ideological idea that behaving like this doesn't automatically make a person an unfit parent. In my view, it 100% does, no ifs, no buts.

I agree with you. We can't take them away but by leaving them in the care of obviously unfit parents we acknowledge that we're failing them.
Many countries try to help through schools; if the parents are not there for a child, the child will still have school clubs, activities, afterschool assisted homework and solid meals. We just give cash benefit to the parents instead.

RustyNut

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

I'm going to say we can assume a particular background to the "feuding clans" ?

What's this assumption based on, bigotry or telepathy?