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Nvidia RTX Discussion

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,307 ✭✭✭Xenoronin


    I think Nvidia are jumping the gun a little here. AdoredTV pointed this out that we are on the cusp, with ray-tracing supplemented by ML algorithms driving scene render time into the "seconds" territory. Maybe these cards, the Quadro ones have enough grunt, but I can't see the consumer versions managing the same except on a small scale.

    Definitely exciting to see this tech starting to appear though!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,450 ✭✭✭jebidiah


    Would ray tracing even have any effect on current games retroactively? Or does the game need to be designed from the start with ray tracing in mind?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,000 ✭✭✭Mr Crispy


    jebidiah wrote: »
    Would ray tracing even have any effect on current games retroactively? Or does the game need to be designed from the start with ray tracing in mind?

    Just from reading what people are saying on other forums, seems it needs to be baked in from the get-go? Metro Exodus will be the first title of note to incorporate it I think.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,731 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki


    jebidiah wrote: »
    Would ray tracing even have any effect on current games retroactively? Or does the game need to be designed from the start with ray tracing in mind?

    It needs to be recompiled, but it is possible.

    e.g.
    Quake Wars by Intel Ray Tracing Research Group



    Quake 2 (download link on youtube page)

    Just from reading what people are saying on other forums, seems it needs to be baked in from the get-go? Metro Exodus will be the first title of note to incorporate it I think.

    And it looks pretty glorious


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,997 ✭✭✭✭Cuddlesworth


    If its not a industry standard but rather a propitiatory Nvidia implementation, I'm not interested.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,684 ✭✭✭✭Samuel T. Cogley


    Skipping this gen - going to pick myself up a 1080ti once the prices come down (secondhand) but that's it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,731 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki


    Skipping this gen - going to pick myself up a 1080ti once the prices come down (secondhand) but that's it.

    EVGA are doing a promo right now with an EVGA G2 850 PSU included; sell that & avoid the 2nd-hand hassle.

    https://eu.evga.com/products/featured-bundles.aspx


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,731 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki


    Rumoured specs:

    RTX 2080Ti - 4352 CUDA cores, 11GB 14Gps GDDR6, 352Bit Bus, 616GB/s Bandwidth

    RTX 2080 - 2944 CUDA cores, 8GB 14Gps GDDR6, 256Bit Bus, 448GB/s Bandwidth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,000 ✭✭✭Mr Crispy


    $1000 for overclocked 2080 ti on PNY's own website.

    Edit: And taken down soon after.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,731 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki


    Computerbase.de claiming pre-orders start Monday.
    https://www.computerbase.de/2018-08/geforce-rtx-2080-vorbestellung/


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,299 ✭✭✭✭BloodBath


    jebidiah wrote: »
    Would ray tracing even have any effect on current games retroactively? Or does the game need to be designed from the start with ray tracing in mind?

    I've played around with it in unreal engine. Very easy to implement. Actually far quicker and easier than the traditional process.

    Should be easy for devs to offer options for both methods.

    Only around 1/4 of that RTX core is dedicated to ray tracing and it's equal or faster in performance to the 4 x Titan V's they had running that UE4 Star Wars ray tracing demo.

    I called it a few months back on here. That real time ray tracing was gonna be here within 5 years on a single card. I didn't think it would be this soon.

    Granted a very expensive card but the 2070, 2080, 2080ti should all have a ray tracing module/core since they have the RTX tag. The 2060 and below won't. They maintain the GTX tag.
    If its not a industry standard but rather a propitiatory Nvidia implementation, I'm not interested.

    It is since it's Nvidia hardware based. You can do ray tracing without it but it's gonna be slow or it pre renders a lot of the stuff using ray tracing, not real time. Sadly AMD are so far behind in the graphics market I don't see them ever catching up at this stage.

    So embrace your Nvidia overlords and cough up 500-1000 for your next upgrade.

    TBH I'm not even mad at Nvidia anymore for all this propriety crap. They are the ones pushing things forward. It's AMD's fault for not being competitive at all in the higher end. They put all their apples into Ryzen and have practically killed the graphics division. Maybe they will put some of that Ryzen money into "Ati" now but I won't hold my breath. It's going to be at least another year before they can even compete with Nvidias last gen high end. Never mind these ones.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I really hope the pricing of the new cards is going to be in or around the same of a 1080ti at the moment. Roll on 5pm.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭Venom


    I really hope the pricing of the new cards is going to be in or around the same of a 1080ti at the moment. Roll on 5pm.


    https://www.overclock3d.net/news/gpu_displays/pricing_leaked_for_zotac_s_upcoming_rtx_2080_2080_ti_series_graphics_cards/1



    Pricing for the Zotac cards has leaked and there not pocket friendly!



    Pricing leaked for Zotac's upcoming RTX 2080/2080 Ti series graphics cards



    There have been plenty of leaks about Nvidia's upcoming Geforce RTX series graphics cards, though so far the exact pricing of the company's next-generation flagship remains a mystery.

    Now, thanks to ElchapuzasInformatico, we have pricing leaks for Zotac's custom RTX 2080 and RTX 2080 Ti series graphics cards, which include blower, triple fan and AMP! models.

    Zotac's high-end Geforce RTX 2080 Ti AMP! is listed with a price tag of $1,199, while its lover clocked Triple Fan counterpart costs $1,169. On the lower-end of Zotac's high-end Turing lineup comes Nvidia's RTX 2080 AMP!, which is listed with an $839 price tag, while its blower-fan cooled counterpart costs $799.

    Both Nvidia's RTX 2080 and RTX 2080 Ti cost more than the company's existing GTX 1080 Ti graphics cards, with the RTX 2080 extending past $1,000, the normal price tag of Nvidia's Geforce Titan series. A hypothetical Turing RTX Titan graphics card may extend to prices of $1,500 or more dramatically increasing the cost of Nvidia's flagship-class consumer products, aside from the Titan V.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    If those prices turn out to be true i'm just going to get a 1080ti.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭Venom


    I haven't paid to much attention to the hype train but why is the Ti version coming out at the same time as the standard 2080? Seems to me like it would just cannibalize sales!


  • Registered Users Posts: 655 ✭✭✭L


    If those prices turn out to be true i'm just going to get a 1080ti.

    It is a stupid amount of money alright. I wonder who they're targeting with that or if they're trying to avoid making their old stock redundant while keeping their prestige with the RTX as flagship. O_o


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    With the Ti card you will get a decent boost in performance but not much with the non Ti. The 1080ti is going to sell out too once the prices are announced.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,261 ✭✭✭Shlippery


    https://www.newegg.com/promotions/nepro/18-2503/index.html?cm_sp=Homepage-Top2016-_-P1_nvidia%2f18-2501-_-https%3a%2f%2fpromotions.newegg.com%2fnvidia%2f18-2501%2f1920x360.jpg&icid=462954

    Found this on reddit! - looking forward to seeing it, just bought a rift and feel the 2080 could be my next completely overkill purchase...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 811 ✭✭✭yoshiktk


    The Nvidia show at gamescon went live.
    Edit:
    All specs are wrong....
    Now they have my attention.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,299 ✭✭✭✭BloodBath


    Of course they are true and no surprise really.

    This gen of cards was always meant to go over the top of the previous gen. Not replace it. Have you seen the die size? It's massive and the power consumption is pretty high. Third party 2080ti cards are going to be pushing over 300w.

    The RTX range is a toy for developers and rich gamers to delve into different ways of rendering, handling ai and physics and for other workloads. Why pay for all those extra modules if you aren't going to use them?


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Just get to the pricing already.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,125 ✭✭✭game4it70


    GEFORCE RTX 2080 Ti
    Founders Edition
    £1,099.00

    GEFORCE RTX 2080
    Founders Edition
    £749.00

    GEFORCE RTX 2070
    Founders Edition
    £569.00

    If thats the true prices they won't need to drop the prices of the 10 series cards by much to get rid of stock, they will seem likes bargains.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,299 ✭✭✭✭BloodBath


    Not really. These are the most exciting cards to hit the market in a long time.

    Developers are going to buy these cards. Early adopter gamers are going to buy them.

    It's very easy to add support for this to current game titles as well so it shouldn't take long for a big enough catalogue of supporting software.

    There's a multitude of uses outside of gaming as well. Truly groundbreaking stuff. Kudos Nvidia.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭Venom


    game4it70 wrote: »
    GEFORCE RTX 2080 Ti
    Founders Edition
    £1,099.00

    GEFORCE RTX 2080
    Founders Edition
    £749.00

    GEFORCE RTX 2070
    Founders Edition
    £569.00

    If thats the true prices they won't need to drop the prices of the 10 series cards by much to get rid of stock, they will seem likes bargains.


    For the 3rd party cards with decent coolers, you can easily add 50 -100 quid to the price.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,125 ✭✭✭game4it70


    Venom wrote: »
    For the 3rd party cards with decent coolers, you can easily add 50 -100 quid to the price.

    Yes and don't forget the Asus tax on top of that too :pac:

    Pre orders are going live at 7pm on overclockers so we will shall soon see what the Aib cards are priced at.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,261 ✭✭✭Shlippery


    Damn, I'm liking the BF5 examples.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭Venom


    game4it70 wrote: »
    Yes and don't forget the Asus tax on top of that too :pac:

    Pre orders are going live at 7pm on overclockers so will shall soon see what the Aib cards are priced at.


    Then turn that price into euros :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,125 ✭✭✭game4it70


    At least they are using dual fans now on the founders editions.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 811 ✭✭✭yoshiktk


    2070 from 499$, probably need to add tax bust still not so bad for new Gpu.
    Im curious of test results incoming, whether its be a huge improvement in normal use besides the RT stuff.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,261 ✭✭✭Shlippery


    Did they just knock $100 off the prices?

    ypx4Oe0.png


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭Venom


    Pricing is not as bad as leaks lead to believe.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Was going to get a 1080ti but think I'll go for the 2080. I'll wait for 2070 results first though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,417 ✭✭✭.G.


    2070 > 1080ti :eek: :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,125 ✭✭✭game4it70


    No 2070's listed on ocuk,strange.

    Has there been any benches shown yet to compare with 10 series?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 811 ✭✭✭yoshiktk


    game4it70 wrote: »
    No 2070's listed on ocuk,strange.

    Has there been any benches shown yet to compare with 10 series?

    Polish site said about 2070 shipping on later date, could be the reason.
    2070 FE TDP 175W, one 8pin power needed,wow, just wow.
    I'm totally in. Just curio us how its gonna impact new consoles. Pc master race?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,538 ✭✭✭btkm8unsl0w5r4


    My RTX 2080 ti is preordered just there now, this looks like a actual gamechanger. Actual image quality improvements.

    My Palit 1080 ti gamerrock will be for sale on adverts at a bargain price


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,417 ✭✭✭.G.


    Waiting to see actual real game benchmark results first. Bit mad they didn't mention anything like that.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Nvidia store is getting bashed. Page won't open for me. Haha


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭Venom


    yoshiktk wrote: »
    Polish site said about 2070 shipping on later date, could be the reason.
    2070 FE TDP 175W, wow, just wow.
    I'm totally in. Just curio us how its gonna impact new consoles. Pc master race?


    The next gen consoles are supposed to be using AMD CPU's and GPU's so I don't think this raytracing stuff will be a factor in console games at all and just be like the current Nvidia softworks stuff, its something that most people turn off to get better fps.



    There was also very little comparison fps wise to previous gen cards so is this just raytacing and not the huge performance boost the 10 series cards came with?


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    * Nvidia is recommending PC gamers have a 650W power supply, as the base RTX 2080 draws up to 215 watts of power.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,538 ✭✭✭btkm8unsl0w5r4


    superg wrote: »
    Waiting to see actual real game benchmark results first. Bit mad they didn't mention anything like that.


    It not going to be slower than pascal, and pascal is already plenty fast for anything below 4k. The fact that battlefield and Metro are launching with RTX support means that finally we are going to get a graphical bump in games. There has not been image quality improvements in about 4 years, everyone is obsessed in framerate increases andjust keep bumping the monitor refresh rates.

    Infiltrator demo was shown which is not RTX and ran twice as fast on turing than on pascal.

    Likely a 30% bump from ti to ti in current games, but its the RTX features are the selling point hence the focus on them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 811 ✭✭✭yoshiktk


    Venom wrote: »
    The next gen consoles are supposed to be using AMD CPU's and GPU's so I don't think this raytracing stuff will be a factor in console games at all and just be like the current Nvidia softworks stuff, its something that most people turn off to get better fps.



    There was also very little comparison fps wise to previous gen cards so is this just raytacing and not the huge performance boost the 10 series cards came with?

    That's why I was curious, as I did remember about AMD.
    Now we need to wait for new GPU from them?
    5 times faster than Titan sounds better.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I'd say the 10 series cards will get a good discount now. If the 2070 is about 5 x faster than a 1080ti more people are going to opt for that than get a high end 10 series card. Will be interesting to see benchmarks now but going to have to wait a month or so for that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,299 ✭✭✭✭BloodBath


    Nvidia's ray tracing is still directX 12 based.

    There is no reason why AMD could not do something similar with their own hardware based ray tracing core.

    2070 will only be that much faster in heavily ray traced scenes. Probably around equal performance in normal rasterised scenes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,538 ✭✭✭btkm8unsl0w5r4


    its not 5x faster except in RTX tasks. RTX can be done in software on 10 series cards and its hardware accelerated on RTX cards. It is a misleading statement. The number of cuda cores and the memory bandwidth figures are more of an accurate predictor of current shader based games....looks about 30% from model to model.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I'll be waiting for benchmarks before i put any preorder in anyway. No doubt it will be hard to get your hands on any of them this side of Xmas.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Help & Feedback Category Moderators Posts: 25,504 CMod ✭✭✭✭Spear


    The prices floating around are obscene, and I say that as someone running x2 1080 Founder Editions bought on their day one of release.

    Scan are quoting nearly £1400 for an Asus 2080 TI. Unless the benchmarks are truly world changing, then it looks like I'm skipping this generation. It's not like there's many DX12 games about, let alone ray traced ones.


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