Family of seven sleep in Garda station Mod note post one

na1 · 20-08-2018 12:53PM

tom1ie wrote: »

They will when they realize enough votes are at stake.

The more pressure on the working class the more people switch to dole or emigrate. The less population represent the working class - the less support from politics. Eventually the working class will be a minority in the country.

mloc123 · 20-08-2018 01:00PM

Rosa Parks? GTFO...

macwal · 20-08-2018 01:01PM

na1 wrote: »

BTW. Had a quick look at her page, she has lots of boarded houses pictures,
what is it all about?

Probably ones they've destroyed, something to look back on with the great grandchildren.

Grab All Association · 20-08-2018 01:01PM

fed_u wrote: »

If people didn't make **** of the houses they were handed they wouldn't need to be boarded up! No respect when it's handed to them.. anyone getting serious handouts should be made show where the money is going! no one should be allowed turn down a house (have a 3 strikes system or something??) 7 kids aren't going to fit everywhere so it's slim pickings - get bunk beds to ****.. before we know it she'll be looking for the Christmas presents..

Majority of cases they don’t. I live next door a Council estate (full of thieving scum these days) 3 houses up there boarded up and later broken into. They were rented by good people driven out. Boarded up for 2-3 years.

Turning these around in a day is possible. Hire professional cleaners and waste disposal SVP/storage companies for old furniture etc.
it’s just pure laziness, lack of funds or approval to do it.

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 20-08-2018 01:02PM

tom1ie wrote: »

Well whatever about the lifers that are on it, we can’t do much about them, but we do have a duty to stop this merry go round at some point to stop encouraging young people into a welfare life.
Someone should tell Regina Doherty Putting up PRSI to fo fund welfare is not the way to do that, indeed it only harms society further.

Taxing welfare is the only way to go, the lifers pay the highest rate, those out of work and have previously paid taxes pay the lowest, if I said none at all i'd be hammered by the equality brigade :rolleyes:

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 20-08-2018 01:03PM

mloc123 wrote: »

Rosa Parks? GTFO...

Click bait.

Cina · 20-08-2018 01:07PM

“Then I’ll have to come home again and go back over to pick the other ones up at three. That’s a lot of travelling to be doing, so it’s still not ideal. I can’t be complaining really, because it’s definitely better than nothing, but it’s still not a home forever."

"I can't be complaining but here's a list of things I'm complaining about."

P*ss off you leech.

macwal · 20-08-2018 01:10PM

Ironic that's she's complaining about the traveling...

Even after saying she shouldn't be complaining.

Grab All Association · 20-08-2018 01:14PM

tom1ie wrote: »

Nial boylan talking about the Prsi hike that’s coming down the tracks, and asking the question wether people are happy to pay more to support the welfare system. Overwhelming anger at the idea would be my summary of the calls and texts that came in. I wonder did newstalk or today fm ask any questions?

It’s more to do with pensions the hike in PRSI. You have to remember that a lot of the welfare system is state pensions and universal type benefits that working people claim too. Pensions are the real problem as people are living longer. The rates of JSA/B claimants fall with more employment. There’ll always be a small percentage of the population 4% of the unemployed on JSA. Scumbag drug dealing/stealing types with convictions and long term unemployed men/women mid 40s-50s with few if any skills that are very unlikely to ever be employed again. This would be considered as a full employment rate.
Disability/incapacity/carer allowance payments too which the latter saves the state money compared to geriatric care.

20-08-2018 01:18PM

There’s houses available in Tallaght on daft.ie. There’s even a 3 bed for €1500. Has she mentioned looking at any rentals?

tom1ie · 20-08-2018 01:23PM

Grab All Association wrote: »

It’s more to do with pensions the hike in PRSI. You have to remember that a lot of the welfare system is state pensions and universal type benefits that working people claim too. Pensions are the real problem as people are living longer. The rates of JSA/B claimants fall with more employment. There’ll always be a small percentage of the population 4% of the unemployed on JSA. Scumbag drug dealing/stealing types with convictions and long term unemployed men/women mid 40s-50s with few if any skills that are very unlikely to ever be employed again. This would be considered as a full employment rate.
Disability/incapacity/carer allowance payments too which the latter saves the state money compared to geriatric care.

Agreed it's more to do with pensions, but it still amounts to working people paying more. Caping child benefit at 2 kids, making long term unemployed go out and get a job if they are physically fit, and various other measures would pay for the money going towards the prsi hike.

stratowide · 20-08-2018 01:27PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

I will do the same but I don't think the politicians care about working people

A politician doesn't care about you,me or for that matter our hero at the centre of this sorry saga.
All a politician cares about is getting elected and if they are elected is to do everything they can to stay elected.
This means they need your vote.
Always keep that in mind when you hear a politician talking..Anything they say can be translated as "Please vote for me or my ilk".

Next time any politician you hear on tv or radio,just substitute the above quote for full deciphering.

I've never seen one yet that didn't jump on a bandwagon to further their cause or indeed run as far from one if it hindered it.

end of the road · 20-08-2018 01:32PM

HIB wrote: »

You’re correct in your assessment of how the system currently works I.e. each local authority is responsible for housing people in need, in its own area. And yes, under the current system, Ms Cash is they responsibility of Dublin co council(city council?)

What I’m saying is, that the system should be changed. It should be made possible for cases like Ms Cash to be transferred to other county councils, where rents are cheaper, and a portion of Dublin co councils housing budget should transfer with them. That way, the exchequer pays less, as we are renting houses in more affordable areas. And it has the added benefit of reducing housing pressure(and ultimately rents) in places like Dublin. I expect though that policy changes like this will never happen. Just look at how Cork city and county council can’t agree where to draw a line on a map, and you get a feeling for how entrenched, unimaginative and generally inept local govt leadership is.

On the issue of extra resources for Ms Cash. She doesn’t need any. She is more than adequately provided for. It’s a mantra of charitable organizations like the SVP that you must help people to become self sufficient and not dependent on charity. They recognize that there is such a thing as giving too much help. I feel we are at risk of doing that with families like the Cash family

i know what you are saying. i'm saying that i don't believe that what you want to happen is viable, because it shifts an issue elsewhere and takes from those in need in other areas. we tried something similar before and it didn't work.
transfering a part of dublin council's housing budget is taking away from people needing housing in dublin. that is unreasonable. there is nothing to say that the exchequer pays less with your idea, because it's likely not just the rental costs at play, and they won't stay the same long term. it also won't reduce housing pressure and rents in dublin, because there will be people in to replace them, which will either keep the rent the same, or worse case increase it.
it's also not the job of areas elsewhere to take on those on the housing list in dublin, and it is unreasonable to expect them to do so, and for the dublin councils to lose part of their money.

castie wrote: »

The UK introduced a cap on the number of children you can claim benefit for.
So have as many as you like but the government is only paying for that maximum.

If ireland doesn't have similar it should, make people think twice.

as it stands, there does not seem to be any evidence that a cap would make people think twice about anything. the wellfare cap in britain is only in a few years, so it may take a while before we know if there will be any meaningful result from it, which i suspect personally there won't.

end of the road · 20-08-2018 01:37PM

tom1ie wrote: »

Agreed it's more to do with pensions, but it still amounts to working people paying more. Caping child benefit at 2 kids, making long term unemployed go out and get a job if they are physically fit, and various other measures would pay for the money going towards the prsi hike.

and again, how are you going to make physically fit long term unemployed go out and get a job? are you going to force employers to employ them? and if so, how are you going to force employers to employ them?

stratowide · 20-08-2018 01:44PM

end of the road wrote: »

and again, how are you going to make physically fit long term unemployed go out and get a job? are you going to force employers to employ them? and if so, how are you going to force employers to employ them?

How about this for a radical idea..

Don't reward people for being long term unemployed if they are physically fit.

I know it's a fairly strange concept to many..but you do get money for going to work.

NIMAN · 20-08-2018 01:51PM

Any physically fit man or woman who hasn't worked since the mid 00s until now is obviously a lazy chancer.

We had full employment around 2005-2007 and we are approaching it again, so there should be work out there for people if they want it.

Our welfare authorities aren't tough enough.

Cantona's Collars · 20-08-2018 01:53PM

I alluded to a person down my way with a "debilitating condition" lol, living alone in a 4 bed house. Update: Said person has been allocated a brand new 2 bed house. Here's the kicker, someone else has gotten the 4 bed having previously been given a brand new place but they can't live there "because Roma live in the area".
It's great how so many can simply pick and choose where they live. If I want to move I have to get a valuation,go to my mortgage company,pay fees, solicitors,try to find a new place I can afford and hope said mortgage company will even let me move.

jjmcclure · 20-08-2018 01:58PM

end of the road wrote: »

and again, how are you going to make physically fit long term unemployed go out and get a job? are you going to force employers to employ them? and if so, how are you going to force employers to employ them?

The government is the largest employer in the state.

In order to receive your Job seekers (after x initial months) you should participate in work to support the state and its citizens, e.g. removing litter from hedgerows, cleaning graffiti, etc. etc. The entire country would benefit from this. And it would make the chancers get off their holes!

20-08-2018 02:04PM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

There’s houses available in Tallaght on daft.ie. There’s even a 3 bed for €1500. Has she mentioned looking at any rentals?

Just to point out if you are looking at that Facebook page, I am not Kerry Kelly. I repeat, I am not Kerry Kelly!

She’s telling yer one to overhold on this place she’s in now. Then showing her places on daft.ie

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 20-08-2018 02:04PM

Cina wrote: »

“Then I’ll have to come home again and go back over to pick the other ones up at three. That’s a lot of travelling to be doing, so it’s still not ideal. I can’t be complaining really, because it’s definitely better than nothing, but it’s still not a home forever."

"I can't be complaining but here's a list of things I'm complaining about."

P*ss off you leech.

Isn't that what travellers do?

Culture and all that?

jjmcclure · 20-08-2018 02:19PM

Whats the link to the facebook page?

end of the road · 20-08-2018 02:23PM

stratowide wrote: »

How about this for a radical idea..

Don't reward people for being long term unemployed if they are physically fit.

I know it's a fairly strange concept to many..but you do get money for going to work.

i don't believe we are rewarding people for being long term unemployed. i believe we are recognising that there is a section of society who are unfortunately unemployable no matter what, and we are insuring they have the supports they need to pay the basic cost of living.

NIMAN wrote: »

Any physically fit man or woman who hasn't worked since the mid 00s until now is obviously a lazy chancer.

We had full employment around 2005-2007 and we are approaching it again, so there should be work out there for people if they want it.

Our welfare authorities aren't tough enough.

i believe that those who want to work, or who are able to work, are working and will work. there isn't going to be work for every single person though, and as i said there will be a minority who are just unemployable. i believe the wellfare authorities are tough enough, but recognise the realities as well. there is never going to be 100% employment in ireland.

jjmcclure wrote: »

The government is the largest employer in the state.

In order to receive your Job seekers (after x initial months) you should participate in work to support the state and its citizens, e.g. removing litter from hedgerows, cleaning graffiti, etc. etc. The entire country would benefit from this. And it would make the chancers get off their holes!

i believe there are already staff to do those jobs. also, it's likely that it's wishful thinking rather then reality, that it would get the chancers off their holes. and realistically, would the staff already working these jobs want to have to work with the chancers anyway?

na1 · 20-08-2018 02:28PM

end of the road wrote: »

i believe there are already staff to do those jobs. also, it's likely that it's wishful thinking rather then reality, that it would get the chancers off their holes. and realistically, would the staff already working these jobs want to have to work with the chancers anyway?

SIPTU Organizer Con Casey says management's failure to replace workers as they retire has led to key sections in road maintenance, housing and other essential services being seriously understaffed.

https://www.rte.ie/news/munster/2017/0627/885836-council-strike/

NIMAN · 20-08-2018 02:35PM

end of the road wrote: »

there is never going to be 100% employment in ireland.

Full employment is not 100% employment though.

People will always be unable to work for various reasons, but physically abled men and women who have no illnesses should be able to do something, thats my point.

When you talk about unemployment figures you think of people who can't get a job. But can't is often easily substituted for don't want for a certain section of society.

spookwoman · 20-08-2018 02:40PM

Then there are the ones on disability with long term illnesses who have kids. I don't know but if you are able to give birth and have more kids you cant be that sick.

Turnipman · 20-08-2018 02:47PM

na1 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/munster/2017/0627/885836-council-strike/

Was a two year old link the most up-to-date one that you could find to support your argument?

20-08-2018 02:58PM

end of the road wrote: »

i believe that those who want to work, or who are able to work, are working

Two vastly different groups.
Plenty who are able to work and won't/don't.

iamwhoiam · 20-08-2018 03:02PM

spookwoman wrote: »

Then there are the ones on disability with long term illnesses who have kids. I don't know but if you are able to give birth and have more kids you cant be that sick.

I am sure a blind person in a wheelchair who is on disability benefits would be well capable of giving birth ? Disability means just that , not bed bound and incapable

Idbatterim · 20-08-2018 03:03PM

Booo hoo. She has to commute ten km each way on the Luas. There are people commuting over a hundred km each way every day, paying their own way and your you leech Ca$h!

20-08-2018 03:07PM

jjmcclure wrote: »

Whats the link to the facebook page?

Search for Margaret Elizabeth Cash

Family of seven sleep in Garda station Mod note post one

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