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Family of seven sleep in Garda station Mod note post one

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,645 ✭✭✭Melendez


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,716 ✭✭✭ayux4rj6zql2ph


    Melendez wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    What's the rental cost of a 3 bed apt in the city centre at the moment?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Being someone mentioned struggling to feed 7 on 1000 pw .

    I'm feeding a family of 4 on €120 pw full food shopping (no junk ,no take aways)
    After rent and bills I'm left with an embarrassing €30 pw

    No treats ,no nights out ,no drinking ,

    My boots are 14 months old have 2 rips and no longer water resistant .

    No 10 grand for a car or a mobile home,


    But my landlord increased my rent this month and is also selling up ,

    So I took on a second job while my OH hopefully graduates college next may so hopefully I don't have to eventually declare my family homeless ,
    Will I get a free house or apartment paid for No

    But


    You won't see me posing in tallaght Garda station


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Melendez wrote: »
    ..

    This is all I'm quoting from your post because it's the sum of the knowledge you have shown day in and day out on here.

    Nothing you have no idea what ,where or anything about the subject .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,645 ✭✭✭Melendez


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    What's the rental cost of a 3 bed apt in the city centre at the moment?

    2500 pm minimum

    Maximum payment on hap 1300


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 805 ✭✭✭Anthracite


    I've no problem with Melendez if he wants to throw a large chunk of his income towards waster criminals who refuse to work or look after themselves, but I have a bit problem if he/she expects me to pay extra tax to do the same. There should be a box you tick on your tax forms asking if you are willing to pay more tax to house and pay for those who can't be arsed to work, and you pay extra if you tick it.

    That seems reasonably fair.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,180 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Gatling wrote: »
    She doesn't get rent supplement she's homeless remember ,

    Who's paying the 2500+ pm for the flat because that's almost twice the maximum you get on rent supplement minus her minimum weekly contribution


    The limits on HAP may be exceeded in certain circumstances -


    Under the HAP scheme you can take up full-time employment and keep your housing support. The scheme is administered by the local authorities, who pay landlords directly. The rent being charged for the accommodation must be within the limits set down for the household type in that local authority’s area – see ‘Rent limits’ below. Tenants pay a weekly HAP rent contribution to the local authority, based on their income and ability to pay.

    Homeless HAP

    The Homeless HAP scheme, which is operated by the Dublin Region Homeless Executive (DRHE) on behalf of the Dublin local authorities, provides discretion to exceed the HAP rent limits for homeless households, if this is necessary in order to source suitable accommodation. To qualify for HAP under this scheme, a household must be accepted as homeless within the meaning of section 2 of the Housing Act 1988 by one of the 4 Dublin local authorities.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,716 ✭✭✭ayux4rj6zql2ph


    Gatling wrote: »
    2500 pm minimum

    Maximum payment on hap 1300

    What could we reasonably assume the council are paying?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    What could we reasonably assume the council are paying?

    If they are it now means she's getting €70,000 in benefits alone .

    Wonder what her contribution is ......


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 805 ✭✭✭Anthracite


    Melendez wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.
    Funny how you dismiss the hardship of real working people raising decent families and working hard as 'irrelevant', yet spend hours bleating about convicted criminals not being housed in the f*cking Ritz because they can't be arsed to work.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,519 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Melendez wrote: »
    .. and she is not getting hap until she has permanent accommodation so is not getting the €1000 per week or whatever the current figure that is being thrown around at the moment. I don't know who is paying what at the moment. It is temporary accommodation.

    Your either having a laugh or playing dim....


    For me to live in a 2 bed in the city it's coming in at €2.5k what the fook


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 805 ✭✭✭Anthracite


    Melendez: persuading nobody since forever.


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 44,421 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Gatling wrote: »
    Being someone mentioned struggling to feed 7 on 1000 pw .

    I'm feeding a family of 4 on €120 pw full food shopping (no junk ,no take aways)
    After rent and bills I'm left with an embarrassing €30 pw

    No treats ,no nights out ,no drinking ,

    My boots are 14 months old have 2 rips and no longer water resistant .

    No 10 grand for a car or a mobile home,


    But my landlord increased my rent this month and is also selling up ,

    So I took on a second job while my OH hopefully graduates college next may so hopefully I don't have to eventually declare my family homeless ,
    Will I get a free house or apartment paid for No

    But


    You won't see me posing in tallaght Garda station
    Be proud that you and your OH are raising your kids to be responsible and honourable hard working people!

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    Stunt? Where the **** would you like them to sleep? The middle of a motor way?

    And I didn't know homeless people had a bad rep.

    You right-wing fanatics on boards are turning more & more closer to Fascism each day.
    Next they'll be saying just shot the homeless, kids & all, like the Nazi's did with people who were a so-called "embarssment" to the state.

    You people are some cold hearted bastards.

    Ffs let's call a spade a spade, she's a fooking baby making factory when clearly she can't provide for them self sufficiently inbthe past 11/12 years so the taxpayer has too.

    It's beyond idiotic and sets a bad precedent going forward. She knows what she is at and couldn't give a fiddlers.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,645 ✭✭✭Melendez


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 805 ✭✭✭Anthracite


    I wonder what our friend Melendez thinks of the fact that the people who contribute nothing but criminality to our society are having children at twice or three times the rate of those who work and contribute everything.

    Does s/he see this as sustainable?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 805 ✭✭✭Anthracite


    Stunt? Where the **** would you like them to sleep? The middle of a motor way?
    It was a stunt. Same as the Kitty Holland/sleeping in car story. This isn't even debatable. Look at the staged photo where you can't actually see any of the children's faces. Look at the impossible positions they are 'sleeping' in. This was 100% staged, and, fair play, the convicted criminal got exactly what she wanted.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,736 ✭✭✭Yer Da sells Avon


    Gatling wrote: »
    Who's paying the 2500+ pm for the flat because that's almost twice the maximum you get on rent supplement minus her minimum weekly contribution

    More to the point, who's receiving it? Does it not bother people on here that so many landlords are absolutely creaming it, thanks to the state choosing not to build social housing, but to pay private landlords the market rate instead? Is that not the real scandal here?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 805 ✭✭✭Anthracite


    More to the point, who's receiving it? Does it not bother people on here that so many landlords are absolutely creaming it, thanks to the state choosing not to build social housing, but to pay private landlords the market rate instead? Is that not the real scandal here?
    The scandal is people renting their property to criminals? Criminals have to live somewhere. Fair play to the owner of the property for taking a risk on these people - do you think they are going to mind the property?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,180 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    TallGlass wrote: »
    No problem with that, I am sure that's what the system was designed for and at a max say 3/4. Not 7/8 children, past that your having a laugh.


    There’s no limit on the number of children a person can apply to claim child benefit for, whether it’s one child, seven children, or seventeen children. Naturally the amount of child benefit a person qualifies for is dependent upon the number of children they have.

    The reality of the situation is, people are working, can't see there children and have them in child care from 8/8 while they work. It's heartbreaking, and then at the end of it, they struggle to give them a few toys or 'luxuries', all this while tax to the hilt directly and indirectly.


    I did make the point earlier that I wasn’t a bleeding heart, so rather than merely acknowledging that it may well be heartbreaking for the parents in question, I would be more interested in offering practical support depending upon what the parents in question actually wanted, whether that was to be able to afford appropriate childcare, negotiatiate more flexible working arrangements with their employer, or support them in seeking employment that would allow them to spend more time with their children. I might even be able to suggest ways in which they could pay less tax and therefore be in a better position to be able to provide the lifestyle they wish to provide for themselves and their children.

    I absolutely wouldn’t be interested in comparing their circumstances with anyone else’s, or comparing anyone else’s circumstances with theirs, as one has no bearing on the other, and vice versa.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,596 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    Who lost out on a house this week for her to get hers?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,736 ✭✭✭Yer Da sells Avon


    Anthracite wrote: »
    The scandal is people renting their property to criminals?

    No, the scandal is that the state is paying private landlords the current exorbitant rates dictated by the market, rather than building houses itself - which would have the added benefit of driving those prices down, which would be good for everyone.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 805 ✭✭✭Anthracite


    Who lost out on a house this week for her to get hers?
    And how do they raise the stunt stakes to get back to number 1 in the list? Sleep on a motorway, as someone suggested? And, obviously, arrange for photos.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,906 ✭✭✭TallGlass


    responsible and honourable hard working people!

    Humm, words to me that are seemingly weightless in this current society. Seems if you are the opposite your rewarded for it, rather than told otherwise.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 805 ✭✭✭Anthracite


    No, the scandal is that the state is paying private landlords the current exorbitant rates dictated by the market, rather than building houses itself - which would have the added benefit of driving those prices down, which would be good for everyone.
    I agree that more houses should be built - by somebody - but the fact remains that ordinary working class people are being taken for a total ride here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,596 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    Anthracite wrote: »
    And how do they raise the stunt stakes to get back to number 1 in the list? Sleep on a motorway, as someone suggested? And, obviously, arrange for photos.


    Staging a similar 'protest' gig at say a fibre gade station wouldn't cut the mustard, a human chain of the family on the M50 at rush hour would be where I'd go next.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,940 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    There’s no limit on the number of children a person can apply to claim child benefit for[/B], whether it’s one child, seven children, or seventeen children. Naturally the amount of child benefit a person qualifies for is dependent upon the number of children they have.


    Therein lies the problem and the point of this forum and discussion.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,716 ✭✭✭ayux4rj6zql2ph


    Who lost out on a house this week for her to get hers?

    I did :(


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  • Posts: 4,546 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    More to the point, who's receiving it? Does it not bother people on here that so many landlords are absolutely creaming it, thanks to the state choosing not to build social housing, but to pay private landlords the market rate instead? Is that not the real scandal here?

    No it doesn't bother me who is receiving it. Landlords don't even want HAP.

    The government had to bring in a law that landlords are unable to refuse to take it.

    Allow landlords to refuse HAP tenants, job done, no more state money for them. Simples.


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