Report: 'Thousands' of Children Sexually Abused by Hundreds of 'Predator Priests'

Graces7 wrote: »

You have a skewed idea re heresy. And one bad example? Come on!

One bad example? Really? You're aware, as I am, that there wasn't just one case of abuse where the church's priority was to cover up instead of taking effective action to stop the abuser? That was the norm. I only mentioned the most well known one in Ireland - but can you name a single case where the hierarchy prioritised the children and went to the police? Anywhere in the world?

Graces7 wrote: »

and earlier quote. You are radically wrong there. Nothing vague and nothing contradictory unless you twist it. Very strong, very simple and very direct.

As for the comment about religions being ambiguous, no, I stick by that. It's exactly why slavery was accepted and justified by Christians before being condemned by them equally firmly.

And while I know there is nothing about allowing child abuse, it's still a fact that stopping child abuse was not something that anyone in the church found important compared to upholding the church's reputation.

Because in Catholicism there is little room for personal interpretations : when someone goes against the church's official strategy, then either they are wrong or the church is wrong. If the church is wrong, then there's no reason to defend it.

The fact that the church seems to be lying about what its policy really is doesn't actually plead in their favour, IMO.

jmayo wrote: »

Ah jaysus seriously slow on uptake there.

But I guess the real scary thing is some within the church actually did use that argument about gay children leading them astray.

I think that scumbag fortune was one to use it.

If anyone watched the movie shown recently on TV about Spotlight investigation in Boston, one of the things that stood out was the huge amount of cities and towns in USA where abuse happened.
And the fookers just listed them as sick for a while before then dumping them on another unsuspecting community.

The were a number of Irish names amongst the abusers.

6 places were mentioned in Ireland along with places in Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Belgium, etc.

This is actually what i was referring to

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/catholic-church-sex-abuse-paedophile-criminal-injuries-compensation-scheme-victim-support-sexual-a7903396.html

My mind genuinely boggles at people who can just ignore this. The mental gymnastics they must go through to justify their position.

Irish Kings wrote: »

Why is there no one being arrested and put on trial in Ireland for covering up sexual abuse ?

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The crimes are genuinely suspected, so why are the police not taking in bishops and questing them ? and if found guilty in a court of law, they can and should be imprisoned like anyone else.

Now that the government and authorities are no longer pro Catholic Church, I don't understand why they are not taking at lease some of these people to trial ?

What's going on ?

You've be forgiven for thinking that either far more than just the church are involved. Or that things aren't nearly as clear cut as some ranters would have have you believe.


Another difficult set of questions: of the overall child abuse carried out in Ireland - how much of it was (or is) done by a priest / brother / nun vs a family member? Who places children in more danger today, ministers of religion (any religion) or step-fathers? I have no statistics - but I have hunches and anecdotes from people who have worked in the protection industries.

volchitsa wrote: »

Are you implying that perhaps there was no sexual abuse of children by priests?
Or not enough to matter?

Neither, in fact the absolute contrary. There was a large amount of both abhorrent abuse of children and to my mind, an even worse, systematic covering up an attempt by the abuser's managers (i.e. certain bishops) to conceal criminal actives and prevent convictions.

There has been some convictions for abuse, but not a single one for attempting to covering up / conceal criminal activity ? Even with all the recent evidence that has come to light in the media, still noting.

Is attempting to concealing a crime not a criminal offence ? Why not single arrest for it in Ireland ? why no warrants to search Bishops offices, why no trial never mind a conviction / sentence ?

Why is no one in the media / political parties demanding same either, what's going on ?

It's not as if those in political power / media are in pro Catholic Church anymore.

Should these people not at least be arrested / questioned / put on trial at the very least ?

Do you not want to see arrests, questioning, trials and at least some successful convictions for the cover ups ?

tupenny wrote: »

I let my child make 1st communion a few years ago and I'm ashamed I did. To appease family. Shame on me; how do I properly leave this horrible cult

No formal procedure is required, you just leave, don't let anyone tell you that you can't, they are bullshyting if they do.