Report: 'Thousands' of Children Sexually Abused by Hundreds of 'Predator Priests'

Graces7 wrote: »

They had almost as much child abuse in their institutions.. and teaching against the Bible..


and see

http://www.bishop-accountability.org/AbuseTracker/

every church is guilty all over the world

It tends to happen because people value the institution more than what it represents.

Since the catholic church has the same percentage of abusers as the general population I can't see celibacy as being a cause.

I know I'm not catholic anymore but I do think priests should eb able to marry. It's a long lonely life being a priest. And even in the bible there's a reference to it


St Pauls letter to Timothy.

A bishop must be irreproachable, married only once, of even temper, self-controlled, modest, and hospitable” (3:2) and “Deacons may be married but once and must be good managers of their children and their households” (3:12)

SnakePlissken wrote: »

Fecken hell.

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

What a depraved thing to come out with. Banned.

I think you have missed the point here. I assume that post was sarcasm as it was the exact response the church used. The official church stance on the issue is the children wanted it and in some cases teased and flirted with the priests until they couldn't resist abusing them.

The actual legal defence used by the church is that the children were sexually promiscuous and consented to the abuse so they don't deserve compensation.

I fully believe that the organization should be ran from the county,any and every country it has withheld evidence to cover up these crimes against should do the same, for any organization,not just religious. I mean, withholding evidence,not paying fines ..ffs I'd be in jail for ignoring tv license

This was in the paper today

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/bishops-commitment-to-child-protection-a-lot-of-lip-service-1.3597658

The man who created child protection structures for the Catholic Church in Ireland would not do so again because of the resistance he encountered from bishops. “If I was faced with the prospect again and knowing what I know now, would I go down that route again? The answer is no. Very definitely not, ” Ian Elliott told The Irish Times.

Before his appointment as first chief executive of the Catholic Church’s National Board for Safeguarding Children in 2007, Mr Elliott had been director of the National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children in Belfast and was on secondment to the Department of Social Services in Northern Ireland where he led major reforms in child protection services. A Presbyterian from Dublin, he attended St Andrew’s College before going to study at Trinity College.

Up to 2013, when his contract was not renewed by the Irish Catholic Church, he oversaw reviews of child-protection in 16 of the 26 Catholic dioceses on the island and four religious congregations.

Looking back his view of the Irish Catholic Church’s commitment to child protection is that it was “a lot of lip service”. There was “very limited commitment”. His work was resisted by bishops particularly at the beginning when “they were very resistant”, he said.

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

What a depraved thing to come out with. Banned.

Rescinded. Looks like it was sarcasm.

Graces7 wrote: »

:eek: and untrue... it is disobeying "religion" that does that.:

That's not entirely true though either - the reality is that all religions seem to be so vague or even contradictory that someone can find a justification for just about anything.
Take "mental reservation" - that effectively allowed priests to lie so as to protect the reputation of the church. Which is exactly why children were sworn to secret over their abuse too, thus allowing the abuser to abuse more children in the future.

Do you really think Father Sean Brady was disobeying his religion when he did that? If you do, then you're saying you know better than the Vatican who raised him to Cardinal afterwards - which would itself be heresy on your part.

What has Francis done since becoming Pope to deal with sex abuse in the church?

Graces7 wrote: »

I don't, and the ones who did that did so in gross disobedience to the tenets and directives of the catholic faith; I see where yiou are coming from BUT their appalling behaviour is not religion but a distortion.

Child abuse is not part of the Catholic religion! so what you write has nothing to do with religion.

And again, you apply that sin as the norm for all Catholics?

You need to review your starting premise. Abuse is not any part of the Catholic faith/religion .

Thanks for answering and I'm not having a go I'm trying to understand.

Maybe it's not the religion I should be raging against but the church. As I understand it the Vatican holds information on priests that have committed crimes against children all around the world.
The Pope has it in his power to divulge this information to the relevant authorities but refuses to do so , leaving some of these criminals free to commit more crimes against children and escape justice. This makes him in my eyes, an evil criminal himself. The same goes for any other person who has access to this information and does not pass it on.


How do you view the Pope and his actions in relation to this?

The full report is out there for anyone to read. Abusers and enablers are named and shamed and the victims provide full accounts of what happened to them. Additionally, correspondance that clearly details cover-ups and attempts to protect the church from "scandal" is published. It's harrowing reading, not for the faint-hearted. Descriptions of horrible abuse and despicable blackmail and victim-blaming from bishops. One victim attempted suicide and another later died from complications relating to an addiction to painkillers, which he had been taking since suffering a back injury after a particularly violent assault from a priest. It's horrific stuff.

Would really make you question why on earth we're having the head of this organisation in our country where similar abuse has taken place and for which his organisation has still not properly apologised. People have been deeply, deeply hurt by the church. I still can't believe we're rolling out the red carpet, and furthermore, that people are actually going to go and see him.

It's also interesting to read from the report that there is no reason to believe that this problem has gone away or is a thing of the past.

Hundreds of posts on threads about Muslim grooming gangs and Muslim immigrants

Nowhere to be seen except to complain about catholic bashing on a thread about abuse carried out and covered up by Catholic priests and bishops