Sweden Riots

RustyNut · 15-08-2018 06:47PM

2 Scoops wrote: »

Your link still shows overwhelming resistance to non EU immigration overall in Europe. Ireland hasn't been hit with it to the extent the likes of Germany, France and Belgium have, if/when it happens here opinions like in other countries will quickly change.

How do you explain the increase in positive sentiment towards non EU immigrants in Germany Belgium etc?

TeaBagMania · 15-08-2018 06:55PM

RustyNut wrote: »

How do you explain the increase in positive sentiment towards non EU immigrants in Germany Belgium etc?

Fake News

SnakePlissken · 15-08-2018 06:55PM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

If you think a poll of 00 self-selecting boards.Ie is representative of the population at large.

I don't, but it does have more substance than pulling "facts" from one's backside as you have done.

pumpkin4life · 15-08-2018 06:56PM

RustyNut wrote: »

How do you explain the increase in positive sentiment towards non EU immigrants in Germany Belgium etc?

The percentage of population in your country is made up more on immigrant births/people etc as a result of influx of people. So when you ask them, they're more likely to have a positive sentiment, say the increase of Turks into Germany and asking them are you anti non EU immigration. It explains some of the irregularities there (Italy elect one of the most anti immigration parties in Europe, yet sentiment towards non EU Takes a big jump), and can maybe be used as a sort of marker for the speed of which your country is turning multicultural. If I am right about that, Sweden is about to flip very soon, much sooner than Germany or us for example. The Netherlands are to flip soon as well.

But one of the condfounding factors as well is the social desirability bias.

In Orban's Hungary, you can freely express this.

In Ireland, go along to get along as it is, you could lose your job or get in trouble for expressing this, so you lie on the survey.

The_Kew_Tour · 15-08-2018 06:57PM

RustyNut wrote: »

How do you explain the increase in positive sentiment towards non EU immigrants in Germany Belgium etc?

Remember everyone saying they vote Clinton in last POTUS election. People are afraid to say the truth in public but behind it they may see different.

See it myself. Anyway Belgium has huge immigrant population they obviously would

RustyNut · 15-08-2018 07:04PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Remember everyone saying they vote Clinton in last POTUS election. People are afraid to say the truth in public but behind it they may see different.

The majority did vote for Clinton.

The_Kew_Tour · 15-08-2018 07:07PM

RustyNut wrote: »

The majority did vote for Clinton.

They did. But even in Florida she had the majority right up to the day of voting.

She ain't President though is she

Kivaro · 15-08-2018 07:17PM

batgoat wrote: »

It was pretty clear what he meant, in much the same way we can comfortably say that immigration is not considered a big concern of the electorate in Ireland. Neither Identity Ireland or Renua look likely to pick up votes at any point in near future.

Legal immigration is not a big concern, but illegal immigration, failed asylum seekers (and their whereabouts after being refused to stay in Ireland), and economic migrants who have no intention of contributing to our society, is indeed a concern to many. Ireland does not have the resources or the infrastructure to take care of these migrants.

When our children do not have to wait years in pain waiting for scoliosis treatment, when all our children are able to find mental health services after 5 pm and on weekends, when we can get more than one hour per week from the HSE to help us care for our elderly parents, when there is enough affordable housing for the workers supporting the welfare state, when there is a healthcare system fit for purpose and unburdened by a bloated bureaucracy, when there are enough jails and a revamped judiciary to hand out sentences reflective of the damage done to victims ..................., then, we should consider inviting more (who are willing to contribute) to our country.

4068ac1elhodqr · 15-08-2018 07:22PM

RustyNut wrote: »

How do you explain the increase in positive sentiment towards non EU immigrants in Germany Belgium etc?

Is this the same Germany that had AfD gain a +7.9% swing and 94 new seats taken in 2017, away from the leading two parties. (AfD was previously unrepresented, with 0 seats in the Bundestag).

Auguste Comte · 15-08-2018 07:24PM

pumpkin4life wrote: »

In Ireland, go along to get along as it is, you could lose your job or get in trouble for expressing this, so you lie on the survey.

People in Ireland losing their jobs for expressing an opinion on immigration? When did this happen?

batgoat · 15-08-2018 08:16PM

Kivaro wrote: »

Legal immigration is not a big concern, but illegal immigration, failed asylum seekers (and their whereabouts after being refused to stay in Ireland), and economic migrants who have no intention of contributing to our society, is indeed a concern to many. Ireland does not have the resources or the infrastructure to take care of these migrants.

When our children do not have to wait years in pain waiting for scoliosis treatment, when all our children are able to find mental health services after 5 pm and on weekends, when we can get more than one hour per week from the HSE to help us care for our elderly parents, when there is enough affordable housing for the workers supporting the welfare state, when there is a healthcare system fit for purpose and unburdened by a bloated bureaucracy, when there are enough jails and a revamped judiciary to hand out sentences reflective of the damage done to victims ..................., then, we should consider inviting more (who are willing to contribute) to our country.

See this is back to the stupidity of blaming all the country's woes on the easiest target. Refugees or asylum seekers are not responsible for our health service being a convoluted mess and they won't suddenly improve if we reject refugees. Your entire second paragraph is simply ridiculous.

PlaneSpeeking · 15-08-2018 08:24PM

batgoat wrote: »

Kivaro wrote: »

Legal immigration is not a big concern, but illegal immigration, failed asylum seekers (and their whereabouts after being refused to stay in Ireland), and economic migrants who have no intention of contributing to our society, is indeed a concern to many. Ireland does not have the resources or the infrastructure to take care of these migrants.

When our children do not have to wait years in pain waiting for scoliosis treatment, when all our children are able to find mental health services after 5 pm and on weekends, when we can get more than one hour per week from the HSE to help us care for our elderly parents, when there is enough affordable housing for the workers supporting the welfare state, when there is a healthcare system fit for purpose and unburdened by a bloated bureaucracy, when there are enough jails and a revamped judiciary to hand out sentences reflective of the damage done to victims ..................., then, we should consider inviting more (who are willing to contribute) to our country.

See this is back to the stupidity of blaming all the country's woes on the easiest target. Refugees or asylum seekers are not responsible for our health service being a convoluted mess and they won't suddenly improve if we reject refugees. Your entire second paragraph is simply ridiculous.

That is hilarious. Massive increased numbers of non contributors have a huge effect. Naive at best that

batgoat · 15-08-2018 08:34PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

That is hilarious. Massive increased numbers of non contributors have a huge effect. Naive at best that

The HSE being an administrative mess that needs to be reformed is the issue of the HSE(hence all the efforts to reform it). We put incredible amounts of months into the HSE and it still continues to be a mess. So no, I don't think attributing our system's mess to refugees is particularly clever or accurate. I also know a fair
few people who have come in as refugees, they're now in the work force and contribute plenty. (Not secret economic migrants btw)

Kivaro · 15-08-2018 08:52PM

batgoat wrote: »

See this is back to the stupidity of blaming all the country's woes on the easiest target. Refugees or asylum seekers are not responsible for our health service being a convoluted mess and they won't suddenly improve if we reject refugees. Your entire second paragraph is simply ridiculous.

With estimates of €110 Million required for the support and services of the 200 Calais refugee "minors" that Catherine Zappone orchestrated, I beg to differ.

That money could well be used on children in Ireland and since no budgetary provision had been made for Zappone's folly, the Irish cabinet was told that other services under her remit would be affected. In other words, they would have to take from existing services for Irish children in order to pay for the services and support for the Calais group, including legal and therapeutic interventions.

This is the height of stupidity.

fly_agaric · 15-08-2018 08:53PM

batgoat wrote: »

The HSE being an administrative mess that needs to be reformed is the issue of the HSE(hence all the efforts to reform it). We put incredible amounts of months into the HSE and it still continues to be a mess. So no, I don't think attributing our system's mess to refugees is particularly clever or accurate.

Well we've always been a bit of a shambles anyway when it comes to organising stuff properly. We just came out of a period where we'd overdosed on religion, still have alot of belief in tribalism/localism + bonehead "big man" type politics, our infrastructure is mediocre at best (i.e. hallmarks of a fairly undeveloped country for all our wealth).
We're not third world, but we're no Scandinavians or Germans (IMO).

The effects of importing communities of poor developing world people who, if all goes well (looks like its not) & we are very optimistic will take multiple generations to fully shed their backward mindsets are likely to be more shocking over there (Germany, Scandinavia etc.) than they will ever be here!

Beechwoodspark · 15-08-2018 09:04PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

They did. But even in Florida she had the majority right up to the day of voting.

She ain't President though is she

The majority voted for her though

Greentopia · 15-08-2018 09:18PM

Jimbob1977 wrote: »

I was in Gothenburg a few years ago. About 10% of the city population are resettled refugees (or their descendants) from conflicts in Iraq, Somalia, Bosnia, etc.

The Swedes were very good to accept people from war-torn areas and give them a new home.

Unfortunately, the Swedes made the classic mistake of lumping them together in peripheral housing estates like the banlieues of Paris. This has led to ghettoisation.

Swedes have always seen it as their humanitarian duty to do so. But yes, major mistakes have been made in lumping them together in certain areas. They spend billions each year on the Migration Agency and supporting services and haven't gotten integration in housing right yet.

It doesn't help that ethnic Swedes don't want to live in these areas anyway and don't tend to mix so much (or at all) with certain nationalities- Somalis or immigrants from Middle East countries for example.

15-08-2018 09:21PM

SnakePlissken wrote: »

I don't, but it does have more substance than pulling "facts" from one's backside as you have done.

Which particular "facts" are you referring to here?

2 Scoops wrote: »

Chatham house did a poll which found the majority of Europeans wanted to end immigration from Muslim countries.

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/europes-border-crisis/majority-leading-eu-nations-support-trump-style-travel-ban-poll-n718271

"A majority of Europeans would support a Trump-style ban on further migration from mainly Muslim countries, according to a poll of more than 10,000 people in 10 countries.

An average of 55 percent of those surveyed for London-based think tank, Chatham House, agreed that immigration from Muslim–majority countries should be halted."

Yeah, that's just slightly different from the 92% claimed from the boards poll. And it didn't include Ireland in the survey.

Any chance that you'd stop shifting the oul goalposts?

wirelessdude01 · 15-08-2018 09:28PM

This was just on the RTE 9 o'clock news.

Taytoland · 15-08-2018 09:35PM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

SnakePlissken wrote: »

Considering the thread "Is Islam right for Ireland" had a poll where 92% of Boards' posters gave an emphatic NO, I do believe those naive enough to see no problem either societally or economically to mass immigration from the 3rd world are thankfully very much in the minority.

If you think a poll of 00 self-selecting boards.Ie is representative of the population at large, you really should get out more.

I can just picture all that scurrying around on stormfront and the Identity Ireland pages imploring supporters to swing the vote.

The fact you think that is what it would take to win such a poll shows how out of touch you are with the people on this. People see what is going on, they aren't blind.

OneEightSeven · 15-08-2018 09:36PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

This was just on the RTE 9 o'clock news.

No mention of the ethnic background of the gangs. They mentioned immigration once when talking about the upcoming elections. Anyone who isn't aware of Sweden's humanitarian efforts over the last 40 years would be lead to believe it was ethnic Swedes responsible for the carnage.

end of the road · 15-08-2018 10:00PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

So you lied then and now backtrack.

no . just explained the obvious.

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Cool, just say that. Safe space here and all that.

i did.

SnakePlissken wrote: »

You speak for the electorate do you? Don't be so obnoxious.

Absolutely no country in Europe has benefited either socially or economically from the mass influx of migrants from the Middle East and North Africa, not France, not Germany, not Sweden, but Ireland will be different of course, only racists and bigots are concerned about immigration, good lad.

yes, he technically does speak for the electorate, because they haven't voted in parties who would hault immigration to ireland. that may change in the future, but for now, the parties who support such measures barely get votes.

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

They did. But even in Florida she had the majority right up to the day of voting.

She ain't President though is she

she's not no . because of the electoral college votes. the majority of the people voted for her though.

Greentopia · 15-08-2018 10:00PM

OneEightSeven wrote: »

No mention of the ethnic background of the gangs. They mentioned immigration once when talking about the upcoming elections. Anyone who isn't aware of Sweden's humanitarian efforts over the last 40 years would be lead to believe it was ethnic Swedes responsible for the carnage.

There will likely be no mention of the ethnic origins or nationality of the perpetrators coming from the Swedish authorities and media. They avoid this so as not to stigmatise certain ethnicities and nationalities.
Unless the laws have changed since I was there at least.

The_Kew_Tour · 15-08-2018 10:10PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

The majority voted for her though

she was meant to win and win handy enough.

The_Kew_Tour · 15-08-2018 10:15PM

end of the road wrote: »

she's not no . because of the electoral college votes. the majority of the people voted for her though.

Had nothing yo do with what I said

15-08-2018 10:18PM

Taytoland wrote: »

The fact you think that is what it would take to win such a poll shows how out of touch you are with the people on this. People see what is going on, they aren't blind.

When exactly did people appoint you as their spokesperson on this?

bfa1509 · 15-08-2018 10:30PM

I go to stockholm 3 or 4 times a year for work. The Swedish people are the nicest people you could ever meet. It's heartbreaking to see whats happening to them over the last few years. Walking through the streets you wouldn't know what city in Europe you are in, they all look the same now. There are huge lion-shaped concrete bollards erected at the end of nearly all the pedestrianised streets now, no doubt due to the fear of there being another attack.

Gaddaffi's 2011 prophecy is coming to fruition...

The_Kew_Tour · 15-08-2018 10:35PM

bfa1509 wrote: »

I go to stockholm 3 or 4 times a year for work. The Swedish people are the nicest people you could ever meet. It's heartbreaking to see whats happening to them over the last few years. Walking through the streets you wouldn't know what city in Europe you are in, they all look the same now. There are huge lion-shaped concrete bollards erected at the end of nearly all the pedestrianised streets now, no doubt due to the fear of there being another attack.

Gaddaffi's 2011 prophecy is coming to fruition...

Can I ask why you think City feels different?

Do you feel less safe or is it just vibe?

How do Swedish people feel?

Greentopia · 15-08-2018 10:43PM

bfa1509 wrote: »

I go to stockholm 3 or 4 times a year for work. The Swedish people are the nicest people you could ever meet. It's heartbreaking to see whats happening to them over the last few years. Walking through the streets you wouldn't know what city in Europe you are in, they all look the same now. There are huge lion-shaped concrete bollards erected at the end of nearly all the pedestrianised streets now, no doubt due to the fear of there being another attack.

Gaddaffi's 2011 prophecy is coming to fruition...

Uh those lion sculptures were commissioned after a Swedish sculptor made concrete sheep in Gotland (sheep country) as bollards on the streets of Visby and the city fathers in Stockholm decided they wanted the symbol of the Swedish coat of arms -the lion to be made into stone sculptures to let car drives know they were forbidden from entering pedestrian streets. Nothing to do with fear of attacks

They just look nicer than concrete slabs is all.

I'm a frequent visitor too, mostly to Gothenburg though.

bfa1509 · 15-08-2018 10:52PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Can I ask why you think City feels different?

Do you feel less safe or is it just vibe?

How do Swedish people feel?

I feel completely safe in the built up areas of Stockholm, I haven't experienced any of the notorious suburbs though. Like a lot of European cities, you have "no-go" areas popping up, which were unheard of in Stockholm just a few years back. The amount of security has drastically increased naturally since the lorry attack last year. There are armed police everywhere.

I have asked a few Swedish people how they feel about the immigration problem but they refuse to say anything about it, they just change the subject. If you watch the television over there it is completely riddled with PC propaganda. It doesn't surprise me at all that they are in the situation they are in.

Sweden Riots

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