Sweden Riots

Greentopia · 15-08-2018 02:45PM

CosmicJay wrote: »

Västra Hamn and Möllan which were beautiful. Mostly Innerstaden, we went out to some of the bad areas for some Dark Tourism kink I guess. Korkbäck was probably the worst area we went through.

I'd say its not really a 'white' city anymore. Although I dont speak a word of Swedish I have basic arabic which served me really well and came in useful in the worse off neighbourhoods.

What shocked me was how bad the 'typically' immigrant areas are getting, bleeding over into more economically prosperous neighbourhoods.

I'd say some areas accurately reflect Mogadishu in general terms of vibe and street displays, shouting, traffic madness. It just felt similar. Obv worlds apart infastructure wise.

I would say comparing Sweden to America is a comparison which will always give the answer that you want. It's called Chiraq for a reason. :P

Västra Hamn I saw-gorgeous! Some beautiful clean modern architecture there in the new apartment blocks and a nice splash of colour. Very nicely laid out. Möllan...lovely old buildings, nice market place and park. Hipster central :cool:. That and Gamla Staden were the best of the city from what I saw.

You went out to some of the worst areas of Malmo as a white Irish person (correct me if I have that wrong) and survived to tell the tale? but but how is that possible?? :pac:

I saw Rosengård as it's near the centrum, and some of the high rises looked a bit...grim, but again nothing worse than similar places in Gothenburg and comparisons to places like the worst of Chicago are laughable.

As for demographics I had to look it up and apparently about 45% of the inhabitants have a foreign background. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malmö#Demographics

Quite similar figures to Stuttgart where I've been living. So no white minority yet but probably seems like it now in certain parts of Malmo.

If I was to judge Stuttgart on the area of Bad Cannstatt I did my local shopping in I would guess about 90% of the population of that city are from Turkey and the Middle East! but of course it ain't so.

Taytoland · 15-08-2018 02:47PM

No surprise. The Swedish Democrats will benefit from it from the real Swedish people.

inforfun · 15-08-2018 02:57PM

rossie1977 wrote: »

Probably best not to link tweets from Peter Sweden https://www.hopenothate.org.uk/2017/08/01/far-right-vlogger-defend-europe-supporter-peter-swedens-real-identity-revealed/

It was to do about the graph he mentioned ...... which was a separate picture.

The_Kew_Tour · 15-08-2018 03:00PM

inforfun wrote: »

Somehow i doubt there will be many with the name Ove, Tobias or Henke in that group of rioters

Is it fair to say these people are racist? Against the Swedes

inforfun · 15-08-2018 03:03PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Is it fair to say these people are racist? Against the Swedes

That is impossible.
According to some.

All i know is that i used to have a colleague, a (former) refugee from Somalia who had family living in Rosengard, Malmo, which he described as: Almost felt less safe there than in Mogadishu.
The guy saw the movie Black hawk Down "live" as a kid.

Greentopia · 15-08-2018 03:04PM

rossie1977 wrote: »

Probably best not to link tweets from Peter Sweden https://www.hopenothate.org.uk/2017/08/01/far-right-vlogger-defend-europe-supporter-peter-swedens-real-identity-revealed/

I was in Malmo a few years ago. Pretty sleeply enough town, so sleepy in fact there were geese from the local park walking across the road in the town centre in the evening. Aside from the cool twisting tower, nice enough beach and the incredible bridge connecting the city with Copenhagen it's not really all that remarkable.

I do wonder why people would go out if their way to visit areas of high unemployment and crime though. It's like visiting the west of ireland and making a stop in South Hill in Limerick or checking out Watts on holiday in LA. When I was in Rio I avoided the favelas but there was still a massive armed military presence on the street in Copacabana.

Sleepy is a pretty good descriptor I would say yes. A bit dull, a bit pedestrian but ok for a visit if you stick to the nicer areas.

I think it's ok if people want to check out these areas that have been talked about in the media as crime ridden ghettos to see them for themselves. Would help dispel a lot of hysteria about them tbh.

I wouldn't be drawn to going to these places slumming it to gawp at the inhabitants like they're human specimens in a zoo though. That's ****ty.

PlaneSpeeking · 15-08-2018 03:06PM

inforfun wrote: »

That is impossible.
According to some.

All i know is that i used to have a colleague, a (former) refugee from Somalia who had family living in Rosengard, Malmo, which he described as: Almost felt less safe there than in Mogadishu.
The guy saw the movie Black hawk Down "live" as a kid.

Parts of France going the same way - in Lyon back end of last year and there were areas you would not feel safe going.

Not just me there were big lads saying that too!

The_Kew_Tour · 15-08-2018 03:06PM

inforfun wrote: »

That is impossible.
According to some.

All i know is that i used to have a colleague, a (former) refugee from Somalia who had family living in Rosengard, Malmo, which he described as: Almost felt less safe there than in Mogadishu.
The guy saw the movie Black hawk Down "live" as a kid.

Agree

Cause if Swedish people were doing that to immigrant's we have word Racist shouted from all angle's.(and rightly so)

Funny how word is not shouted around now. But it's just a few young lads having a bit of fun

end of the road · 15-08-2018 03:11PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

You will have to help me out here - when exactly was there a referendum anywhere in Europe where the question was "Do you want unchecked mass immigration into you country ?"

there never has been, as there has been no need to have such, as people have defacto given their answer when electing their government.

PlaneSpeeking · 15-08-2018 03:13PM

end of the road wrote: »

there never has been, as there has been no need to have such, as people have defacto given their answer when electing their government.

So you lied then and now backtrack.

Originally Posted by end of the road View Post
they have been asked if they want mass immigration. they have given the answer in each election.

Cool, just say that. Safe space here and all that.

Greentopia · 15-08-2018 03:14PM

omega man wrote: »

Primarily a lack of integration with Norwegians and their customs and culture. Some city areas and schools with very few (1st generation) Norwegians left. Norwegians are very welcoming but you must make an effort to learn their ways and at least try to speak the language.

Speaking the language is expected anywhere you want to assimilate to though. Its a reasonable expectation you learn some Norwegian if you're going to live there. And it's not a difficult language to learn. I too found Norwegians lovely people. Very like Swedes really except for being more outdoorsy.

omega man wrote: »

On the subject of actual homelessness I’ve seen people living on the street in Oslo during winter without proper winter clothing (even bare foot!) and not ‘foreigners’. Norway is an extremely wealthy nation but it still happens....

Yikes. That's a change for the worse since I was there then. Shameful considering they're sitting on an oil fund worth nearly €1 trillion.

4068ac1elhodqr · 15-08-2018 03:19PM

end of the road wrote: »

there never has been, as there has been no need to have such, as people have defacto given their answer when electing their government.

To be fair, some have/or are starting to say 'no thanks' already, to uncontrolled, non-integrative, mass migration.

e.g. UK, Italy, the V4 {Poland, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary) Austria.

Others are more luke warm, or becoming much colder to the to the concept e.g. Greece, Denmark, France, Netherlands, Germany, Spain.

The Swedes go to the poll on Sept 9th, will be interesting to see what they say.

biko · 15-08-2018 03:34PM

rossie1977 wrote: »

Probably best not to link tweets from Peter Sweden https://www.hopenothate.org.uk/2017/08/01/far-right-vlogger-defend-europe-supporter-peter-swedens-real-identity-revealed/

Probably best not to link to hopenothate http://itsafarleftrussiahackersite.com

lol

Greentopia · 15-08-2018 03:44PM

Atticus Quaint Watchband wrote: »

To be fair, some have/or are starting to say 'no thanks' already, to uncontrolled, non-integrative, mass migration.

e.g. UK, Italy, the V4 {Poland, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary) Austria.

Others are more luke warm, or becoming much colder to the to the concept e.g. Greece, Denmark, France, Netherlands, Germany, Spain.

The Swedes go to the poll on Sept 9th, will be interesting to see what they say.

SD EU member of parliament is saying now they will aim to leave the EU if they get into power next month so interesting times indeed ahead. Sorry no English link except if want to translate this from Swedish: https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/gPeOkk/sd-tar-steg-for-svensk-eu-exit

There isn't popular support for a Swedish exit though, not even from the far left party so don't know how they'd pull that one off.

Personally I can't see the SD forming a majority Govt, the other parties won't go near them to form a coalition as they're seen as too far right with links to neo-Nazis, and the Social Democrats only need about 24% of the vote to retain power with the Greens. But we shall see.

Greentopia · 15-08-2018 04:15PM

inforfun wrote: »

It was to do about the graph he mentioned ...... which was a separate picture.

With no source given from where that graph was taken from. What it appears to show is that according to ?? the number of cars deliberately set on fire in Sweden has risen there since the 90's. Without a verifiable and legitimate unbiased source it's meaningless.

AlekSmart · 15-08-2018 04:25PM

gw80 wrote: »

Where do people think this will end.
Parts of Paris are looking more and more like third world.
I watched a video recently of aid workers and volunteers in Paris feeding these migrants and complaining that they will have to shut down the operation due to violence from the migrants towards them. Even while filming the piece they were hassled by migrants who were demanding food, they had to run away.
Africa's population is set to double in the near future.
Climate change is going to put stress on food supply,
They are going to keep coming,
What will happen when there is no more food to hand out, and the free house and free money they were promised doesn't materialise,
When their numbers are strong they are going to take what they want.
There is going to be carnage on the streets.

Perhaps allowing the more cultured,socially aware countries such as Sweden and Germany to accept all comers from the African sub-continent,might work better ?

This could mean The Aquarius,and it's proprietors would lose some media coverage,but their customers would get a definite set of arrival ports and the requisite level of support.

https://www.dw.com/en/aquarius-docks-in-malta-with-141-rescued-people-on-board/av-45088807

I feel confident that at least some posters will identify with the more humourous stance taken by the Italian Minister for Transport....

https://www.dw.com/en/aquarius-rescue-ship-seeks-european-port-for-migrants-found-off-libya/a-45056668

Italian transport minister Danilo Toninelli said on Monday that the UK should take in the migrants on board the Aquarius as it was a vessel flying under a Gibraltar flag and currently in Maltese waters.

"The boat is now in Maltese waters and has a Gibraltar flag. At this point, the United Kingdom should take responsibility for the safeguarding of the shipwrecked," Toninelli wrote on Twitter.

Sound man Danilo,stick it to them before Brexit .......

inforfun · 15-08-2018 04:50PM

Greentopia wrote: »

With no source given from where that graph was taken from. What it appears to show is that according to ?? the number of cars deliberately set on fire in Sweden has risen there since the 90's. Without a verifiable and legitimate unbiased source it's meaningless.

Does that really matter, the source?
Is it really so hard to imagine that when in 1 night 90 cars are set on fire that more cars are set on fire in 1 month than in the entire 70's?

batgoat · 15-08-2018 05:47PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

So you lied then and now backtrack.

Cool, just say that. Safe space here and all that.

It was pretty clear what he meant, in much the same way we can comfortably say that immigration is not considered a big concern of the electorate in Ireland. Neither Identity Ireland or Renua look likely to pick up votes at any point in near future.

PlaneSpeeking · 15-08-2018 05:52PM

batgoat wrote: »

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

So you lied then and now backtrack.

Cool, just say that. Safe space here and all that.

It was pretty clear what he meant, in much the same way we can comfortably say that immigration is not considered a big concern of the electorate in Ireland. Neither Identity Ireland or Renua look likely to pick up votes at any point in near future.

You're not even comparing apples and oranges there - it's like apples and spark plugs!

batgoat · 15-08-2018 05:55PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

You're not even comparing apples and oranges there - it's like apples and spark plugs!

It's pretty relevant, the people elect their government. The government ultimately represents the views of the majority. For the most part, the horrors of Sweden seem to be a hot take of UK and US journalists who want to rant about the terrors of immigration...

Greentopia · 15-08-2018 06:01PM

inforfun wrote: »

Does that really matter, the source?

Jesus wept. Of course it matters! anyone with an agenda can made up a graph, stick it online and call it fact. Who has researched that information, what is the veracity of it? what is their agenda in publishing it? lots to take into account before I take it as factual information. Critical analysis and research... hard wurk I know :rolleyes:

inforfun wrote: »

Is it really so hard to imagine that when in 1 night 90 cars are set on fire that more cars are set on fire in 1 month than in the entire 70's?

That's not how it works. You can't just use your imagination to extrapolate information from graphs that have no primary sources given.

Greentopia · 15-08-2018 06:04PM

batgoat wrote: »

Neither Identity Ireland or Renua look likely to pick up votes at any point in near future.

Who? :pac:

RustyNut · 15-08-2018 06:13PM

Greentopia wrote: »

That's not how it works. You can't just use your imagination to extrapolate information from graphs that have no primary sources given.

Ah now, it's the ah way, if you have no facts to support your agenda you can make up some "alternative facts" that do.

Make after hours great again.....

15-08-2018 06:16PM

SnakePlissken wrote: »

Considering the thread "Is Islam right for Ireland" had a poll where 92% of Boards' posters gave an emphatic NO, I do believe those naive enough to see no problem either societally or economically to mass immigration from the 3rd world are thankfully very much in the minority.

If you think a poll of <300 self-selecting boards.Ie is representative of the population at large, you really should get out more.

I can just picture all that scurrying around on stormfront and the Identity Ireland pages imploring supporters to swing the vote.

2 Scoops · 15-08-2018 06:19PM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

If you think a poll of <300 self-selecting boards.Ie is representative of the population at large, you really should get out more.

Chatham house did a poll which found the majority of Europeans wanted to end immigration from Muslim countries.

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/europes-border-crisis/majority-leading-eu-nations-support-trump-style-travel-ban-poll-n718271

"A majority of Europeans would support a Trump-style ban on further migration from mainly Muslim countries, according to a poll of more than 10,000 people in 10 countries.

An average of 55 percent of those surveyed for London-based think tank, Chatham House, agreed that immigration from Muslim–majority countries should be halted."

https://twitter.com/ChathamHouse/status/829010101763702786?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E829010101763702786&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nbcnews.com%2Fstoryline%2Feuropes-border-crisis%2Fmajority-leading-eu-nations-support-trump-style-travel-ban-poll-n718271

SnakePlissken · 15-08-2018 06:24PM

batgoat wrote: »

we can comfortably say that immigration is not considered a big concern of the electorate in Ireland.

You speak for the electorate do you? Don't be so obnoxious.

Absolutely no country in Europe has benefited either socially or economically from the mass influx of migrants from the Middle East and North Africa, not France, not Germany, not Sweden, but Ireland will be different of course, only racists and bigots are concerned about immigration, good lad.

dav3 · 15-08-2018 06:28PM

2 Scoops wrote: »

Chatham house did a poll

And something a little more up to date. Look at Ireland out there in front. All this huffing and puffing and attempted fear-mongering is working wonders lads. Keep it up.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2018/07/25/european-xenophobia-reflects-racial-diversity-not-asylum-applications?fsrc=scn/fb/te/bl/ed/europeanxenophobiareflectsracialdiversitynotasylumapplicationsdailychart

batgoat · 15-08-2018 06:29PM

SnakePlissken wrote: »

You speak for the electorate do you? Don't be so obnoxious.

It's backed up though..
http://www.thejournal.ie/80-of-irish-people-believe-immigrants-integrate-successfully-3967095-Apr2018/

Jimbob1977 · 15-08-2018 06:33PM

I was in Gothenburg a few years ago. About 10% of the city population are resettled refugees (or their descendants) from conflicts in Iraq, Somalia, Bosnia, etc.

The Swedes were very good to accept people from war-torn areas and give them a new home.

Unfortunately, the Swedes made the classic mistake of lumping them together in peripheral housing estates like the banlieues of Paris. This has led to ghettoisation.

2 Scoops · 15-08-2018 06:37PM

dav3 wrote: »

And something a little more up to date. Look at Ireland out there in front. All this huffing and puffing and attempted fear-mongering is working wonders lads. Keep it up.

Your link still shows overwhelming resistance to non EU immigration overall in Europe. Ireland hasn't been hit with it to the extent the likes of Germany, France and Belgium have, if/when it happens here opinions like in other countries will quickly change.

Sweden Riots

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