Sweden Riots

Ray Donovan wrote: »

According to Andrew Neil on Twitter the right wing Sweden Democrats lead the polls in every age group. Election in a month.

They've fallen back into third position this month according to Expressen- Swedish newspaper.

The SD will be like all protest and populist parties- flavour of the month for a while but if they get a chance at real power the lack of experience and fleshed out policies on areas that really matter to people-employment, education, healthcare etc soon become apparent and the voting public will go back to supporting the middle ground. In the case of Sweden that would be the left of centre Social Democrats or centre- right Moderaterna.

But apparently we can continue pursuing the exact same policies of Sweden and France, not enforcing any border and it's all going to turn out differently for us in 20 years time.

Dublin 2035: Everyone living together in a great melting pot of peace and harmony.

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

They'd be considered left wing in any other country.

Sweden just have far left and left.

The Sweden Democrats are hard right wing nationalists running on a anti-immigration populist platform who have some members actively involved with Swedish neo-nazis groups. In no way shape or form are they left wing.

The Social Democrats-SAP are in the classic European centre left Social Democratic tradition. Same as you find in many other European countries like the rest of Scandinavia, Germany, Netherlands... - though they have swung more to the right of recent in some of those countries as immigration has become a contentious issue.
The Greens occupy this ground too.

The only larger mainstream far left party in Sweden is the Vänsterpartiet. Former communists up to the 1990's. Same as many other reconstituted former far left parties after the fall of the USSR in other countries.

In recent years you have an offshoot of this party that formed around feminist issues mainly but they haven't gotten the threshold 4% vote to get any seats in the Rikstag yet, though they have been quite successful in municipal elections.

Atticus Quaint Watchband wrote: »

Powers pull back on the price for 'not as far left, as the other lefties' parties to win the upcoming Swedish election, was 2.1 is now 1.9.

Again, showing ignorance of what the Sweden Democrats actually are. This is a few years old but this shows where all the parties are on the political spectrum: https://www.thelocal.se/20140905/swedish-party-leaders

Berserker wrote: »

Yep, it's like Ireland in that that party closer to the centre is considered right wing, even though it supports things like divorce, SSM etc.

Centre-right. Most Swedish parties on the right are considered centre-right -Moderates, Centre Party, Folk Partiet. The Christian Democrats would be the only true right wing conservative party there.

CosmicJay wrote: »

Malmo is a ****hole.

Sweden has a problem with integration, ghettoization of mostly immigrant area's, a fundamental difference in cultural values and soaring crime rates with migrants.

A close friend is an OT for the city council in Malmo. Making house calls is part of the job and she says that of all her colleagues she's the only one who won't refuse to enter the 'no go zones'. From what I've seen first hand, I wish she would reconsider her position.

Greentopia wrote: »

Rinkeby is a ****hole, albeit not anywhere close to being the dangerous ghetto it's portrayed as in the media. Just rather grey and dull with high unemployment in the mostly immigrant part of that city. Malmo itself is rather bland and uninspiring from my recollection, but certainly no ****hole.



"Soaring" is a rather subjective word. What Swedes consider soaring crime rates wouldn't register in many other European countries, never mind the US.

My 8 years there were the most peaceful and safe of any country I've lived in. I could walk anywhere day or night without fear as a woman in Gothenburg. That has changed in the past few years in some of the suburbs that yes have a high immigrant population, but Swedish cities in general are still extremely safe places to be.
I wouldn't keep going back there for visits and plan on buying a summer house there if I didn't feel that way.

This media driven hysteria that Muslim gangs are rioting there, burning up their cities and going on widespread raping sprees and women can't walk the streets there for fear of being raped is fear mongering from the alt-right media- particularly the US.
Yes there have been isolated incidences, but let's keep things in proportion.

I think we have a gap of opinion in the severity of the problem, but are at least on rational levels, as of my recent visit I would not be skipping to enter Malmo again, while nothing overtly bad happened you can see severe economic and social decay taking hold. You see this in cities all around the world but it is especially sad to see it happen in the jewel of all for one one for all society.

Employment there was up around 60% a couple of years ago but has now fallen to low 30's and high 20%'s (I'd guess). Trying to find a bank or a post office or even a corner shop was almost impossible, the amount of abandoned units was utterly insane.

It legitimately felt like I was in Mogadishu rather than a scandinavian country.

CosmicJay wrote: »

I think we have a gap of opinion in the severity of the problem, but are at least on rational levels, as of my recent visit I would not be skipping to enter Malmo again, while nothing overtly bad happened you can see severe economic and social decay taking hold. You see this in cities all around the world but it is especially sad to see it happen in the jewel of all for one one for all society.

Employment there was up around 60% a couple of years ago but has now fallen to low 30's and high 20%'s (I'd guess). Trying to find a bank or a post office or even a corner shop was almost impossible, the amount of abandoned units was utterly insane.

It legitimately felt like I was in Mogadishu rather than a scandinavian country.

What part/s of Malmo were you? my experience is limited to the city centre and passing through some of the outer suburbs and I didn't get that feeling, but granted it's been about 8 years since I've been there. Never warmed to the city tbh.

Mogadishu...I presume you're talking about the ethnic makeup rather than the infrastructure :pac: Mogadishu would be a lot more colourful than parts of Malmo
Yes high Somali population there true, same in some parts of Gothenburg (city I lived) like Angered and Biskopsgården, but unless things have radically changed in the past few years I still wouldn't count those places as anywhere close to the levels of crime and violence in ghettos in any American city.

All I saw on the one time I went to the last tram stops those places are located was high rise apartment buildings, kids play areas, local shops, and some graffiti. Nothing indicating any kind of war zone. A Polish (i.e. white) woman in my workplace lived in Angered and she didn't have any issues apart from some noisy neighbours. *shrug*

Greentopia wrote: »

What part/s of Malmo were you? my experience is limited to the city centre and passing through some of the outer suburbs and I didn't get that feeling, but granted it's been about 8 years since I've been there. Never warmed to the city tbh.

Mogadishu...I presume you're talking about the ethnic makeup rather than the infrastructure :pac: Mogadishu would be a lot more colourful than parts of Malmo
Yes high Somali population there true, same in some parts of Gothenburg (city I lived) like Angered and Biskopsgården, but unless things have radically changed in the past few years I still wouldn't count those places as anywhere close to the levels of crime and violence in ghettos in any American city.

All I saw on the one time I went to the last tram stops those places are located was high rise apartment buildings, kids play areas, local shops, and some graffiti. Nothing indicating any kind of war zone. A Polish (i.e. white) woman in my workplace lived in Angered and she didn't have any issues apart from some noisy neighbours. *shrug*

Västra Hamn and Möllan which were beautiful. Mostly Innerstaden, we went out to some of the bad areas for some Dark Tourism kink I guess. Korkbäck was probably the worst area we went through.

I'd say its not really a 'white' city anymore. Although I dont speak a word of Swedish I have basic arabic which served me really well and came in useful in the worse off neighbourhoods.

What shocked me was how bad the 'typically' immigrant areas are getting, bleeding over into more economically prosperous neighbourhoods.

I'd say some areas accurately reflect Mogadishu in general terms of vibe and street displays, shouting, traffic madness. It just felt similar. Obv worlds apart infastructure wise.

I would say comparing Sweden to America is a comparison which will always give the answer that you want. It's called Chiraq for a reason. :P

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

If your views represented the '90% of us in the rest of the pack', Identity Ireland would be a significant party in the Dáil. They're not.

Considering the thread "Is Islam right for Ireland" had a poll where 92% of Boards' posters gave an emphatic NO, I do believe those naive enough to see no problem either societally or economically to mass immigration from the 3rd world are thankfully very much in the minority.

Greentopia wrote: »

Oslo is a lovely city. Not the sparkling Venice of the north that is Stockholm IMO, but I enjoyed my visits there (apart from the eye watering cost of the place!).
What damage did you notice?

Primarily a lack of integration with Norwegians and their customs and culture. Some city areas and schools with very few (1st generation) Norwegians left. Norwegians are very welcoming but you must make an effort to learn their ways and at least try to speak the language.

On the subject of actual homelessness I’ve seen people living on the street in Oslo during winter without proper winter clothing (even bare foot!) and not ‘foreigners’. Norway is an extremely wealthy nation but it still happens....

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https://twitter.com/JJohanJJansson/status/1029091095823745025

Somehow i doubt there will be many with the name Ove, Tobias or Henke in that group of rioters