So who's going to see the Pope?

RustyNut · 13-08-2018 03:49PM

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

ELM327 wrote: »

It's interesting that you label those who are anti-church as "ignoramuses" [sic] yet it would appear that the opposite is true - ie those who validate the head paedophile coming here would seem to me to be of lower intelligence.

Head paedophile? Whats your evidence of him involved in paedophilia?

The fact that he and his predecessors do everything in their power to cover up for kiddy fiddler priests around the world rather than make any effort to protect innocent vulnerable children from predatory priests that work for him makes him responsible.

TheValeyard · 13-08-2018 03:50PM

RustyNut wrote: »

The fact that he and his predecessors do everything in their power to cover up for kiddy fiddler priests around the world rather than make any effort to protect innocent vulnerable children from predatory priests that work for him makes him responsible.

What has he personally done to cover up child abuse?

ohnonotgmail · 13-08-2018 03:50PM

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

So no answer.

do you accept that the pope is the head of an organisation that faciliated and covered up the abuse of children? Do you accept that they continue to cover up that abuse by refusing to cooperate with law enforcement?

Edgware · 13-08-2018 03:51PM

Cabaal wrote: »

I'm curious, whats with the whatabouttery?
Is the King if Saudi Arabia being welcome at a big event in the phoenix park this month? (nope)

We're talking about the pope, the fact he's being welcome at massive tax payer expense to Ireland, the catholic church's role in pain and suffering in Ireland and how they've mistreated many of our citizens for decades

If you want to continue this silly whataboutery are you going to try compare to David Miscavige next?
:rolleyes:

So dont give any recognition for all the positive contribution in health, education, social care, care for physically and mentally disabled when various governments made f..all contribution.
No just jump on the bandwagon.

Skylinehead · 13-08-2018 03:53PM

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

What has he personally done to cover up child abuse?

Discredit victims?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/19/pope-francis-victims-church-sexual-abuse-slander-chile

TheValeyard · 13-08-2018 03:53PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

do you accept that the pope is the head of an organisation that faciliated and covered up the abuse of children? Do you accept that they continue to cover up that abuse by refusing to cooperate with law enforcement?

Do you mean that you believe abuse by Priests is continyuing to this day with children?

And of course the dog and the street knows that abusr was coveres up at different branches.

Whether i think this pope was involved, i doubt it or have seen zero evidence of it.

Id be surprised that church officials were not co operating with investigations in this country with new guidelines in place

....... · 13-08-2018 03:55PM

Edgware wrote: »

So dont give any recognition for all the positive contribution in health, education, social care, care for physically and mentally disabled when various governments made f..all contribution.

Do you think their good deeds outweighs their abuses and if so why?

Normally people think that even 1 bad deed outweighs many good deeds - its interesting that you have the opposite view.

If someone did good work helping the elderly for years and then raped some children, do you think that they should be let out of prison because they did a lot of good stuff and it outweighs the bad stuff?

Was Hitler ok because he was an animal lover?

....... · 13-08-2018 03:56PM

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

Whether i think this pope was involved, i doubt it or have seen zero evidence of it.

He himself has apologised for being caught out covering up for a prolific abuser in Chile recently.

He only apologised because he was caught out covering up.

But on a broader scale - you dont get to be the head of the most evil organisation in the world without getting some blood on your hands.

Cabaal · 13-08-2018 03:57PM

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

What has he personally done to cover up child abuse?

Not released Vatican records when requested,

its all very simply. what won't he do it?

RustyNut · 13-08-2018 03:57PM

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

RustyNut wrote: »

The fact that he and his predecessors do everything in their power to cover up for kiddy fiddler priests around the world rather than make any effort to protect innocent vulnerable children from predatory priests that work for him makes him responsible.

What has he personally done to cover up child abuse?

He has not ordered his minions to hand over files that the Vatican holds on suspected paedophile priests around the world to the relevant authorities to investigate and protect potential future victims.

ohnonotgmail · 13-08-2018 03:59PM

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

Do you mean that you believe abuse by Priests is continyuing to this day with children?

And of course the dog and the street knows that abusr was coveres up at different branches.

Whether i think this pope was involved, i doubt it or have seen zero evidence of it.

Id be surprised that church officials were not co operating with investigations in this country with new guidelines in place

are you capable of giving a straight answer. Obviously not. Typical church supporter.

Cabaal · 13-08-2018 04:01PM

Edgware wrote: »

So dont give any recognition for all the positive contribution in health, education, social care, care for physically and mentally disabled when various governments made f..all contribution.
No just jump on the bandwagon.

You appear confused regarding what went on.

The government didn't step away from providing education, health etc. At the foundation of the state the church took control of these things. If you think they somehow did this out of charity then bigger fool you, it wasn't done for free or for the good of the people of our nation.

it was more of a power grab that set this country back decades and allowed the church via the likes of McQuaid to defectively dictate government policy esp when it came to women.

Even the mother and baby homes, the church billed the Irish state for looking after those kids. In some cases like in Tuam they continued to bill the Irish state for "caring" for children who they had already dumped into a septic tank.

The church didn't do all of this stuff for the good of the people, it benefited the church as an organisation far more.

Cabaal · 13-08-2018 04:03PM

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

Do you mean that you believe abuse by Priests is continyuing to this day with children?

And of course the dog and the street knows that abusr was coveres up at different branches.

Whether i think this pope was involved, i doubt it or have seen zero evidence of it.

So the fact he won't release records and has made previous negative comments towards abuse victims means he's just a-ok eh?

ok, try this, what about the previous pope?
Do you think he was ever involved?

Id be surprised that church officials were not co operating with investigations in this country with new guidelines in place

How are they doing this if authority's won't be shown Vatican own records exactly?

ELM327 · 13-08-2018 04:04PM

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

What has he personally done to cover up child abuse?

Actively refused to provide evidence or cooperate with the authorities

I can't find the link, but he refused to cooperate with the irish authorities.
Here's the same crap in canada too
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-pope-wont-personally-apologize-for-catholic-churchs-role-in/

TheValeyard · 13-08-2018 04:05PM

In this country they are complying with new laws. Just at the weekend a priest stood aside while an investigation takes place. Common sense approach. I presume it be the same if allegations were made against anyone in a profession who was working with children.

Hitman3000 · 13-08-2018 04:07PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote:

Edgy. Not.

Not at all, just an easy way to protest.

TheValeyard · 13-08-2018 04:07PM

ELM327 wrote: »

Actively refused to provide evidence or cooperate with the authorities

I can't find the link, but he refused to cooperate with the irish authorities.
Here's the same crap in canada too
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-pope-wont-personally-apologize-for-catholic-churchs-role-in/

Thats about historic abuse of native tribes in Canada. Not how this pope as personally engaged in sexual abuse as you have claimed.

ohnonotgmail · 13-08-2018 04:09PM

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

Thats about historic abuse of native tribes in Canada. Not how this pope as personally engaged in sexual abuse as you have claimed.

nobody has said the pope personally engaged in sexual abuse. Your attempts at deflection are pathetic. You catholic lot are not overly keen on practicing what you preach. Hypocrites.

RustyNut · 13-08-2018 04:11PM

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

In this country they are complying with new laws. Just at the weekend a priest stood aside while an investigation takes place. Common sense approach. I presume it be the same if allegations were made against anyone in a profession who was working with children.

Do you think that the Vatican should inform the relevant authorities in countries around the world where they hold information on priests suspected of crimes against children or should canon law take precedence?

TheValeyard · 13-08-2018 04:11PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

nobody has said the pope personally engaged in sexual abuse. Your attempts at deflection are pathetic. You catholic lot are not overly keen on practicing what you preach. Hypocrites.

Previous prosters have stated very publicly that the pope is the ringleader in a child abuse club.

The rest of your post is drivel.

Allinall · 13-08-2018 04:12PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

nobody has said the pope personally engaged in sexual abuse. Your attempts at deflection are pathetic. You catholic lot are not overly keen on practicing what you preach. Hypocrites.

Post #1280.

TheValeyard · 13-08-2018 04:12PM

RustyNut wrote: »

Do you think that the Vatican should inform the relevant authorities in countries around the world where they hold information on priests suspected of crimes against children or should canon law take precedence?

State law above all law. Each country should deal with it there own way.

Skylinehead · 13-08-2018 04:14PM

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

Previous prosters have stated very publicly that the pope is the ringleader in a child abuse club.

The rest of your post is drivel.

He is. The Catholic Church is a child abuse club, and he's the leader of it

Doesn't have to mean he's a pedophile himself for the statement to be true.

ohnonotgmail · 13-08-2018 04:15PM

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

State law above all law. Each country should deal with it there own way.

tell that to your beloved church. They put their own law above state law.

TheValeyard · 13-08-2018 04:16PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

tell that to your beloved church. They put their own law above state law.

My beloved church? Is it now?

ohnonotgmail · 13-08-2018 04:17PM

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

My beloved church? Is it now?

you are very vocal about defending it.

TheValeyard · 13-08-2018 04:18PM

Nixonbot wrote: »

He is. The Catholic Church is a child abuse club, and he's the leader of it

Doesn't have to mean he's a pedophile himself for the statement to be true.

Yes it does. A number of posters have directly made statements accusing this pope of active child abuse.

Also, saying the Catholic Church is a child abuse club is factually incorrect and quite a terrible statement to make against nearly a billion people

TheValeyard · 13-08-2018 04:21PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

you are very vocal about defending it.

No, just a bit of balance to the vile anti Catholic bigotry.

13-08-2018 04:23PM

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

Yes it does. A number of posters have directly made statements accusing this pope of active child abuse.

Also, saying the Catholic Church is a child abuse club is factually incorrect and quite a terrible statement to make against nearly a billion people

Nope. It's perfectly acceptable to insult Christianity. Less so to say anything bad against Muslims and absolutely outrageous to suggest transgenderism is anything but an absolute and undeniable reality that must be accepted.

But yeah, if you happen to like God (the Christian one), then you are part of some depraved sex ring....

ohnonotgmail · 13-08-2018 04:23PM

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

No, just a bit of balance to the vile anti Catholic bigotry.

the only thing vile is the organisation you are defending. For some bizarre reason you seem to think you have the moral high ground. laughable.

So who's going to see the Pope?

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