Tommy Robinson jailed

PlaneSpeeking · 13-08-2018 12:55PM

Omackeral wrote: »

I don't work in a female prison ordinarily but have been stationed in one a few times and I've never seen female prisoners with religious head gear.

I didn't think it would be allowed but seeing a husband refuse to have his wife scanned by that body scanner thing and allowed to get away without a frisk was concerning.

I wondered when pandering to political correctness trumped security.

ohnonotgmail · 13-08-2018 12:57PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Genuine question - if there is a Muslim woman in prison, she's not allowed to wear the full dalek winter storage outfit is she ?

Definite security risk for certain.

Less than 300 female muslim prisoners in the UK and less than 1% of muslim women in the UK wear a burka i cant imagine it is a major issue.

ohnonotgmail · 13-08-2018 12:58PM

AfterLife wrote: »

There is no chance the poster didn't make that story up. She has racially charged stories to back up every point she's trying to make.

a life well lived i'm sure.

Captain Obvious · 13-08-2018 01:01PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

At Manchester T3 security, I've seen an African lady being told to remove an elaborate headscarf to check there was nothing under it and yet Muslim women in burkas and other garb are allowed to walk through.

Good on her, she complained loudly and vehemently! Could still hear her in the bar but I agree with her - one law for all, or there is inherent unfairness!

Which law are you referring to again?

Omackeral wrote: »

Yes and did you leave it up for the duration of your stay in said shopping centres? Clearly not talking about just walking in out of the rain but you already know that.

Plenty of shopping centres (I was Liffey Valley last week and saw it) have signs specifically saying "No Hoods or Helmets". Hoods don't cover the face though.

As for your question of whether I've had run ins with security before, no I haven't. I lock criminals up for a living as it happens.

Are those rules a result of some double standard or as a result of specific problems those places has have with young lads in hoodies?

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Genuine question - if there is a Muslim woman in prison, she's not allowed to wear the full dalek winter storage outfit is she ?

Definite security risk for certain.

I see you've resorted to the old insulting descriptions a la Borris. I guess when every argument you make falls flat and you have no cards left you may as well throw the joker on the table.

malinheader · 13-08-2018 01:04PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Less than 300 female muslim prisoners in the UK and less than 1% of muslim women in the UK wear a burka i cant imagine it is a major issue.

Shouldn't be a problem then when there hopefully banned in public.

terryduff12 · 13-08-2018 01:06PM

I suppose you could say it's because there amongst women that's generally why they wouldn't need to wear religious gear.

ohnonotgmail · 13-08-2018 01:07PM

terryduff12 wrote: »

I suppose you could say it's because there amongst women that's generally why they wouldn't need to wear religious gear.

can you try that again?

PlaneSpeeking · 13-08-2018 01:09PM

malinheader wrote: »

Shouldn't be a problem then when there hopefully banned in public.

I had a Google there about burkas/niqabs etc and found a Channel 4 Fact Check page. Interesting read especially this comment. 5 years old granted but I doubt much has changed:

Stuart, perhaps you should educate yourself on aspects of Islamic cultures and beliefs before making such a narrow minded and misinformed comment. If you were as educated in the matter as you apparently deem yourself to be, you would understand that most self-respecting Muslim women, whether they wear the burka or not, aren’t out there to meet any men, let alone non-muslim men. If you’d bothered to educate yourself about Muslim culture, you’d understand that having relationships with non-muslim men is not part of Islamic beliefs- relationships and sex before marriage is not accepted. The burka is something which is used by Muslim women voluntarily to protect themselves-from apparently sleazy, narrow minded men like yourself- to preserve their honour, and to allow people to focus on their minds and what they have to say- not on their bodies- please don’t assume that it is a racist barrier. The only racist barrier here is the one you’ve created in your mind through your ignorance and stupidity.

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/britains-niqab-unveiling-facts-factcheck

Exactly where does she get off speaking to someone like that ???

terryduff12 · 13-08-2018 01:09PM

Omackeral wrote: »

I don't work in a female prison ordinarily but have been stationed in one a few times and I've never seen female prisoners with religious head gear.

I suppose you could say it's because there amongst women that's generally why they wouldn't need to wear religious gear.

Phone never added the quote

Captain Obvious · 13-08-2018 01:10PM

malinheader wrote: »

Shouldn't be a problem then when there hopefully banned in public.

terryduff12 wrote: »

I suppose you could say it's because there amongst women that's generally why they wouldn't need to wear religious gear.

Did you both mean "they're"? How unusual that two people arguing the same point on the same thread one after another should make the exact same grammatical error. Man, coincidences right? Funny things.

But to come back to your point malinhead, it won't be a problem for the people it doesn't affect, no. It will be a problem for the people affected by it.

ohnonotgmail · 13-08-2018 01:16PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

I had a Google there about burkas/niqabs etc and found a Channel 4 Fact Check page. Interesting read especially this comment. 5 years old granted but I doubt much has changed:

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/britains-niqab-unveiling-facts-factcheck

Exactly where does she get off speaking to someone like that ???

seemed like a fair response to a particularly dense question?

the veil is racist and worn by muslim women who think they are superior to white english girls,how can a white man meet and have a relationship with a muslim girl unless the whole reason for wearing the veil as because muslim men dont want there girls to mix and have relationships with non muslim men,the veil is racist simple as that

Odhinn · 13-08-2018 02:15PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I cant imagine you get a lot of women in burkas going in to bars.

Could be a halal bar.

Sand · 13-08-2018 05:21PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

seemed like a fair response to a particularly dense question?

Not that dense. She confirmed the burka *is* worn to prevent relationships with non-Muslim men, confirming his original claim that it was worn to prevent relationships with non-Muslim men. If anything her post confirmed the view that the burka and niqab are signals of a refusal to integrate or assimilate. Which is exactly why they should be treated as unacceptable by tolerant countries.

ohnonotgmail · 13-08-2018 06:03PM

Sand wrote: »

Not that dense. She confirmed the burka *is* worn to prevent relationships with non-Muslim men, confirming his original claim that it was worn to prevent relationships with non-Muslim men. If anything her post confirmed the view that the burka and niqab are signals of a refusal to integrate or assimilate. Which is exactly why they should be treated as unacceptable by tolerant countries.

why should muslim women make themselves sexually available to non-muslim men? Dont they have the right to decide who they get into relationships with?

Taytoland · 13-08-2018 06:18PM

Sand wrote: »

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

seemed like a fair response to a particularly dense question?

Not that dense. She confirmed the burka *is* worn to prevent relationships with non-Muslim men, confirming his original claim that it was worn to prevent relationships with non-Muslim men. If anything her post confirmed the view that the burka and niqab are signals of a refusal to integrate or assimilate. Which is exactly why they should be treated as unacceptable by tolerant countries.

It's not rocket science to realise this though. Anyone with any common sense can see what the Burka means and it's basic functionality and what it tells us in society.

Sand · 13-08-2018 08:37PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

why should muslim women make themselves sexually available to non-muslim men? Dont they have the right to decide who they get into relationships with?

Sure. And European countries have the right to set laws about who they let into the country and under what terms. Which may or may not include banning the burka/niqab.

Timberrrrrrrr · 13-08-2018 08:39PM

Sand wrote: »

Sure. And European countries have the right to set laws about who they let into the country and under what terms. Which may or may not include banning the burka/niqab.

Would you be ok with the government banning shorts? Short skirts tomorrow?

ohnonotgmail · 13-08-2018 09:53PM

Sand wrote: »

Sure. And European countries have the right to set laws about who they let into the country and under what terms. Which may or may not include banning the burka/niqab.

Subject to EU legislation they certainly do. All banning the burka would do is act as dog whistle for people like you.

thebull85 · 13-08-2018 10:29PM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

I suggest if that happens to you then you get yourself a good solicitor and sue for false imprisonment. You'd have a slam dunk case.

A shopping centre is private property, if you have a hood up or a bike helmet on and walk into a shopping centre you will be asked to take it off.

If you refuse you will be told your invitation to trade has been withdrawn and you will be asked to leave, and its all legal.

14-08-2018 06:45AM

thebull85 wrote: »

A shopping centre is private property, if you have a hood up or a bike helmet on and walk into a shopping centre you will be asked to take it off.

If you refuse you will be told your invitation to trade has been withdrawn and you will be asked to leave, and its all legal.

Hey, they all know that's the case. They're being obtuse for the sake of making a 'point'. ''Get yourself a solicitor''. Have you ever heard the likes of it? Anyone saying they waltz through shopping centres with their hood up is either lying or the exception to the majority of any centre that I've ever frequented.

Captain Obvious · 14-08-2018 08:03AM

thebull85 wrote: »

A shopping centre is private property, if you have a hood up or a bike helmet on and walk into a shopping centre you will be asked to take it off.

If you refuse you will be told your invitation to trade has been withdrawn and you will be asked to leave, and its all legal.

Indeed, but the poster I responded to referred to being apprehended, which would not be legal and would constitute false imprisonment and assault.

14-08-2018 08:31AM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Indeed, but the poster I responded to referred to being apprehended, which would not be legal and would constitute false imprisonment and assault.

I meant stopped, not necessarily imprisoned. Forgive me for using the wrong word. That still doesn't really explain all these posters here wondering around shopping centres with their hoods up not a bother...

Captain Obvious · 14-08-2018 08:42AM

Omackeral wrote: »

I meant stopped, not necessarily imprisoned. Forgive me for using the wrong word. That still doesn't really explain all these posters here wondering around shopping centres with their hoods up not a bother...

The hoodie rule was brought in by some shopping centers who had issues with young lads in hoodies causing trouble. It's not in every shopping center and not applied to everyone in the ones it is in. It's a pretty specific rule to deal with a very specific issue caused by a very specific group of people.

PlaneSpeeking · 14-08-2018 08:45AM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

The hoodie rule was brought in by some shopping centers who had issues with young lads in hoodies causing trouble. It's not in every shopping center and not applied to everyone in the ones it is in. It's a pretty specific rule to deal with a very specific issue caused by a very specific group of people.

So like Trump's travel ban then.

ohnonotgmail · 14-08-2018 08:47AM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

So like Trump's travel ban then.

Except trump banned muslims from every country EXCEPT those where the actual terrorists that have committed terrorist acts on US soil came from. It was just another dog whistle.

Captain Obvious · 14-08-2018 08:55AM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

So like Trump's travel ban then.

No. Trumps ban was a catch all rule for an unspecific potential issue against a large group of people.

14-08-2018 08:58AM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

The hoodie rule was brought in by some shopping centers who had issues with young lads in hoodies causing trouble. It's not in every shopping center and not applied to everyone in the ones it is in. It's a pretty specific rule to deal with a very specific issue caused by a very specific group of people.

BS. It absolutely is applied to everyone wherever it's in place. It's on signs on the way in.

14-08-2018 09:07AM

Simply googling the term "no hoods sign" will bring up a plethora of examples. Some of them say "no helmets, hoods or masks". The burqa would pose pretty much them same identity problems as those I'd have thought. What's stopping anyone donning one if they wanted to commit a robbery and maintain anonymity?

To be honest, I don't really have a problem with, nor care about, the burqa. Just making a point on the hypocrisy I suppose.

ohnonotgmail · 14-08-2018 09:26AM

Omackeral wrote: »

Simply googling the term "no hoods sign" will bring up a plethora of examples. Some of them say "no helmets, hoods or masks". The burqa would pose pretty much them same identity problems as those I'd have thought. What's stopping anyone donning one if they wanted to commit a robbery and maintain anonymity?

To be honest, I don't really have a problem with, nor care about, the burqa. Just making a point on the hypocrisy I suppose.

If there is a string of incidents of robberies being committed by people wearing burkas then i am sure they will consider adding burkas to the signs.

end of the road · 14-08-2018 11:41AM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

So like Trump's travel ban then.

not like trump's travel bann no.
trump's travel bann effected muslims in general, bar from saudi arabia, and that is what it was designed to do. it was thankfully found to be unconstitutional a number of times.

Tommy Robinson jailed

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