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Hungary Scrap Gender Studies Indoctrination Courses

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  • #32
    WinnyThePoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »
    You, someone who gives off the impression of having never read an academic journal in his life, do not get to decide what is, or is not, an academic subject, Dick.

    Sure he doesn't have the time, to busy trying to take the piss out of abuse victims.


  • #33
    mvl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,230 ✭✭✭mvl


    batgoat wrote: »
    Hungary is literally becoming a dictatorship at this stage anyway so this is probably the least of their problems. Gender Studies is a perfectly valid field, there's a ton of research in the area and it's an area of study just like history, they even overlap.



    It has more to do with a regressive government that has very much so been cracking down on everything and is found to be engaged in numerous human rights abuses and attacks on NGOs. You'll proudly just come out with a one liner about snowflakes. But I hope you're just ignorant.

    Is he really banning courses, or is he not paying for them from his mighty budget anymore ?
    Cause I wonder what would anthropologists in Hungary study then ? And if their degrees would be still valid (outside of HU) if there are no longer gender courses included in their curricula ?

    ... but ... I guess some can plan to study the "Orban effect" - 30 years later.


  • #34
    dr.fuzzenstein
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,575 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    Keepaneye wrote: »
    Have to really laugh out loud at the usual suspects spouting "but der free speech". They've no problem banning free speech when it suits them.

    Well, if we have to listen to arseholes like Alex Jones, the knuckledraggers should put up with the existence of gender study courses.
    It's not like anyone is forced to take them or cut their willy off.
    The reaction on this thread shows me that a lot of people feel threatened.
    And Hungary is one of the Eastern states that are about to turn into right wing sh*tholes, so I wouldn't take them as a good example.


  • #35
    Sal Butamol
    Closed Accounts Posts: 523 ✭✭✭Sal Butamol


    DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »
    One of the Gender studies lecturers in UCD has taken the news well.

    https://twitter.com/MaryMcAuliffe4/status/1027934366180286465

    Hahahaha Christ on a bike :D


  • #36
    meeeeh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,612 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    Taytoland wrote: »
    If you believe it should be taught and funded then you should think similar for creationism right?
    Oh you think theology should be banned too? I say let them be...


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  • #37
    Keepaneye
    Closed Accounts Posts: 91 ✭✭Keepaneye


    dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »
    Well, if we have to listen to arseholes like Alex Jones, the knuckledraggers should put up with the existence of gender study courses.
    It's not like anyone is forced to take them or cut their willy off.
    The reaction on this thread shows me that a lot of people feel threatened.
    And Hungary is one of the Eastern states that are about to turn into right wing sh*tholes, so I wouldn't take them as a good example.

    About as threatened as your gender studies mates getting their multi-coloured hair in a twist because their social reconstruction cult is getting dismantled.


  • #38
    TheValeyard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,781 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Sal Butamol wrote: »
    Hahahaha Christ on a bike :D

    Bit of a meltdown alright

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • #39
    meeeeh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,612 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    Keepaneye wrote: »
    About as threatened as your gender studies mates getting their multi-coloured hair in a twist because their social reconstruction cult is getting dismantled.
    Ahhh bless another one who thinks it's about the subject of tge studies and not about making sure political critics are silenced.

    This type of childlike naivety is quite endearing among 10 year-olds.


  • #40
    defrule
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 190 ✭✭defrule


    Banning it or removing funding?

    Which is it?


  • #41
    meeeeh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,612 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    defrule wrote: »
    Banning it or removing funding?

    Which is it?
    Removing funding. Subject doesn't matter.


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  • #42
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,983 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    conorhal wrote: »
    Any course should involve critical analysis of it's theory.

    That'll go down well in the Theology Department!

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • #43
    Nermal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,004 ✭✭✭Nermal


    batgoat wrote: »
    They're on the path away from democracy, that's the reality. The 2017 Democracy Index classifies them as a 'flawed democracy' at the moment. Press Freedom is marked as 'noticeable problems'. In contrast, Ireland is a 'full democracy' and our press is classified as free. So Hungary is nothing to be aspired to at the moment.

    That would be 'democracy index' published by The Economist, yes? I don't rate the opinions of globalist rags, sorry.


  • #44
    Taytoland
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭Taytoland


    meeeeh wrote: »
    Taytoland wrote: »
    If you believe it should be taught and funded then you should think similar for creationism right?
    Oh you think theology should be banned too? I say let them be...
    If every theory or outlandish claim should be taught in education then fine, make that point. The big question is should it be publicly funded.


  • #45
    meeeeh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,612 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    Taytoland wrote: »
    meeeeh wrote: »
    Taytoland wrote: »
    If every theory or outlandish claim should be taught in education then fine, make that point. The big question is should it be publicly funded.
    Did he stop funding them too?

    I bet you they are more politically acceptable. And deeply scientific stuff that is theology keeps being funded...


  • #46
    DickSwiveller Returns
    Closed Accounts Posts: 752 ✭✭✭DickSwiveller Returns


    WinnyThePoo wrote: »
    Sure he doesn't have the time, to busy trying to take the piss out of abuse victims.

    Don't worry. I've stayed away from the hate filled sectarians in the Pope thread for days now. You don't have to worry about encountering an opposing opinion.


  • #47
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    Nermal wrote: »
    That would be 'democracy index' published by The Economist, yes? I don't rate the opinions of globalist rags, sorry.

    Human rights org across the globe provide plenty of examples of the issues in Hungary, you'd have to actively ignore the state of the country. They're regressing under a very dodgy government. So shouting 'globalist rag' doesn't change the reality.


  • #48
    DickSwiveller Returns
    Closed Accounts Posts: 752 ✭✭✭DickSwiveller Returns


    batgoat wrote: »
    Hungary is literally becoming a dictatorship at this stage anyway so this is probably the least of their problems. Gender Studies is a perfectly valid field, there's a ton of research in the area and it's an area of study just like history, they even overlap.


    It has more to do with a regressive government that has very much so been cracking down on everything and is found to be engaged in numerous human rights abuses and attacks on NGOs. You'll proudly just come out with a one liner about snowflakes. But I hope you're just ignorant.

    https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/07/17/hungary-determined-silence-any-critics-left-standing

    I admire the Hungarians for standing up to do the EU bullies and the NGO professional money grabbers. They have a fine immigration stance, too.


  • #49
    DickSwiveller Returns
    Closed Accounts Posts: 752 ✭✭✭DickSwiveller Returns


    Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »
    Agreed.

    The course seems like complete boll*x.

    But it shouldnt banned. Its a dangerous slippery slope when we start banning things.

    It hasn't been banned. The State just isn't funding it anymore - because it's a waste of money.


  • #50
    WinnyThePoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »
    Don't worry. I've stayed away from the hate filled sectarians in the Pope thread for days now. You don't have to worry about encountering an opposing opinion.

    Nope, you where banned from the thread.


  • #51
    DickSwiveller Returns
    Closed Accounts Posts: 752 ✭✭✭DickSwiveller Returns


    WinnyThePoo wrote: »
    Nope, you where banned from the thread.

    True. How are the levels of sectarianism there now? Have they started calling for people to be burned at the stake?


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  • #52
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »
    I admire the Hungarians for standing up to do the EU bullies and the NGO professional money grabbers. They have a fine immigration stance, too.

    This is a bit like those people who admire Putin for being a hard man and ignore the terrible things that occur under him. You've literally fallen for the propaganda of a pretty dodgy government which will likely go fully authoritarian in the coming years. I'm pretty proud I don't support a xenophobic, anti democratic and corrupt regime cause that's exactly what it is.


  • #53
    Ken.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,898 ✭✭✭✭Ken.


    Ulysses Gaze wrote: »
    If you are for Free Speech and exchange of ideas, you should be against this ban.

    Doesn't matter if you like to content of the courses, you should be defending their right to teach them.

    I agree 100% with you. As Evelyn Beatrice Hall said,

    "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"


  • #54
    DickSwiveller Returns
    Closed Accounts Posts: 752 ✭✭✭DickSwiveller Returns


    batgoat wrote: »
    This is a bit like those people who admire Putin for being a hard man and ignore the terrible things that occur under him. You've literally fallen for the propaganda of a pretty dodgy government which will likely go fully authoritarian in the coming years. I'm pretty proud I don't support a xenophobic, anti democratic and corrupt regime cause that's exactly what it is.

    According to you. Terrible things occur in every country. If the Hungarians want Orban's government who are you to talk down to them and tell them they're wrong. Wasn't he democratically elected??


  • #55
    Nermal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,004 ✭✭✭Nermal


    batgoat wrote: »
    Human rights org across the globe provide plenty of examples of the issues in Hungary, you'd have to actively ignore the state of the country. They're regressing under a very dodgy government. So shouting 'globalist rag' doesn't change the reality.

    The reality is that the Hungarian government prioritises the rights of its citizens over illegal immigrants and doesn't want to spend taxpayer's money on indoctrination into a post-modern cult. It's not 'dodgy', frankly it's a beacon.


  • #56
    DickSwiveller Returns
    Closed Accounts Posts: 752 ✭✭✭DickSwiveller Returns


    meeeeh wrote: »
    Taytoland wrote: »
    meeeeh wrote: »
    Did he stop funding them too?

    I bet you they are more politically acceptable. And deeply scientific stuff that is theology keeps being funded...

    Theology/bible studies etc are established, rich academic fields. Gender studies was created to cater for feminists who couldn't get a job with their English Lit. degree.


  • #57
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    meeeeh wrote: »
    Oh so now we are supposed to admire a Central European wannabe dictator. For what exactly? To give morons something to cheer about? I'm sure you can solve whole pile of economic problems just by not financing gender studies.

    Cynic in me would think it is not about the subject but because it's usually taught by left leaning lecturers and you don't want to have them on state wage list. They might encourage the students to protest against the government. But that would be just me...

    Not just that. It panders to his supporters. The kind of people that go on rants about feminism.

    It's damn hypocritical to claim to support free speech and support a government that removed funds from social sciences it doesn't like.


  • #58
    Ken.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,898 ✭✭✭✭Ken.


    Taytoland wrote: »
    If you believe it should be taught and funded then you should think similar for creationism right?

    I think it should be allowed. But you have to remember,just because there is a course on a subject doesn't mean it's right. Sure theirs courses on astrology and we all know that that is horsesh!t.


  • #59
    meeeeh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,612 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »
    Theology/bible studies etc are established, rich academic fields. Gender studies was created to cater for feminists who couldn't get a job with their English Lit. degree.
    Bwahahaha. Oh ok.

    So how well did you study both to come up with this educated opinion?


  • #60
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »
    According to you. Terrible things occur in every country. If the Hungarians want Orban's government who are you to talk down to them and tell them they're wrong. Wasn't he democratically elected??
    Nermal wrote: »
    The reality is that the Hungarian government prioritises the rights of its citizens over illegal immigrants and doesn't want to spend taxpayer's money on indoctrination into a post-modern cult. It's not 'dodgy', frankly it's a beacon.

    You two are genuinely reading like people who would have been praising Hitler in his fight against the 'globalist agenda'. The rhetoric, the behaviour of the regime etc aren't dissimilar. Dick, it's not according to me, it's according to numerous human rights orgs across the globe. It's simply that you two are so anti immigrant and right wing in your viewpoints, you're incapable of seeing how bad things are getting over there.


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  • #61
    DickSwiveller Returns
    Closed Accounts Posts: 752 ✭✭✭DickSwiveller Returns


    meeeeh wrote: »
    DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »
    meeeeh wrote: »
    Bwahahaha. Oh ok.

    So how well did you study both to come up with this educated opinion?

    Bwahahaha I don't have to study linguistics or philosophy to know they're established academic subjects.


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