Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie

Why do people still go to Dubai with its contempt for basic human rights?

  • 11-08-2018 12:27PM
    #1
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 13,721 Mod ✭✭✭✭


    More human rights abuses wielded by that backward and frankly barbaric place Dubai where the glittering skyscrapers are really just a desert mirage built on sand and are not fooling a lot of people.

    Latest story to emerge is that a UK resident Swedish woman and her young daughter were imprisoned for the lady drinking one glass of wine on a flight to that sh*thole.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/world/mother-held-in-dubai-for-three-days-after-one-glass-of-wine-on-flight-861329.html


    Why do Westerners still choose to live and holiday there?

    In the case of the former, I can see why some people who don’t give a rat’s ass what happens to others - like tourists and residents who get on the wrong side of their medieval laws and who pay the price - are bribed by tax free big incomes but tourists who go there, a place where those glittering buildings that are the product of what amounts to indentured slave labour from poorer countries like Pakistan and Bangladesh. What is the appeal? :confused:


«1345

Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,883 ✭✭✭Tzardine


    Because people just dont care.

    Not trying to troll, but its true. The majority of folk just dont care about this kind of stuff. So long as the place looks good on an instagram photo to show their mates they are happy.

    Edit - Should also say, I lived in the middle east for a while, including Dubai. Its a weird place, for somewhere that is so strict in many things, I have never been in a place where prostitution was so in your face. The bars / hotels are full of them. Even one time I was with my girlfriend we were still getting propositioned for threesomes. This was around the same time the couple were jailed for a year for kissing on the beach.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,538 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    the media should be reporting every single human rights abuse that goes on in this and other hell holes if and where possible.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,813 ✭✭✭Noveight


    Many newly qualified teachers do a stint over there because the rate of pay is far greater than it is here.

    Get in, line your pockets, get out. Hard to blame them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭Trigger Happy


    the media should be reporting every single human rights abuse that goes on in this and other hell holes if and where possible.

    Nah, sure let’s have them host the World Cup instead. Let’s huy their oil and duty free and pretend we don’t know how these **** treat migrant workers.


  • Posts: 518 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    UAE prime minister's daughter Latifa Mohammed Al Maktoum, has twice tried to flee the country, in order to 'claim her life back', as she put it. She was tracked down in March 2018 and brought back to Dubai. She has not been seen publicly since.

    She had made a couple of Youtube videos telling her story, before she fled.


  • Advertisement
  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 13,721 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    maybe because for the most part they seem to be unaware of the reality of such a hell hole.

    I think that, at this stage, many if not most Westerners know that Dubai is basically an unsustainable mirage sitting atop a completely undemocratic backward Middle Eastern regime that acts with vicious impunity against a very unlucky few who are meted out barbaric treatment but they simply choose to look the other way. Avert their gaze from the ugly reality.

    Sad but true - Dubai is a perfect example of the dark side of human nature and all that is wrong and bad about humanity as a species.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,205 ✭✭✭✭JohnCleary


    I can't help but think there's more to this story.

    I landed in Dubai last year in an absolute state. Drank in the airport for another 3 hours and then on to a plane for Bangkok. They stopped.me at the gate and said they thought I was too drunk to fly. A bit of persuasion and using the excuse of me flying business class was infact because I had a very important meeting in Bangkok, they allowed me board.

    What's the story with UK residents and visa for Dubai? I've never had to get a visa for Dubai visits (VOR?) and ive stayed almost a week at a time. They refer to an invalid visa in the report. What visa?!

    Full story would be nice to hear.

    Just to add, I don't like Dubai or what it stands for... we only go as it's either a layover or to visit friends


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 736 ✭✭✭Das Reich


    I bet my ass that the people that complain about Dubai not followiong the human rights are the same that defends the islamization of Europe.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,202 ✭✭✭✭Tom Dunne


    Look a bit closer at that story and you will see that all is not as reported.

    The initial dispute appears to have been about a visa. The woman obviously didn't like the border guard's attitude (having been there many times, they are condescending, disinterested pricks) so decided to record their interaction on her phone. Anyone with half a brain knows you don't record stuff in an arrivals hall of an airport. Try doing that in the US and see what happens.

    The line about alcohol consumption in Dubai is true, for Muslims. As long as you don't cause a scene, you can drink as much as you want, despite what the story says. Yes, I am speaking from experience.

    I would guess, and I admit it is pure speculation, that the prick of an immigration officer didn't like the attitude of a feisty woman (they prefer them subservient and malleable), so started on about alcohol. It appears to have spiralled downwards after that.

    Totally and utterly disgusting situation for that woman to find herself in.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    it's rank hypocrisy.

    people who will malign ireland for its treatment of women/travellers/ the homeless etc will in the next breath tell you they're just back from a place with indentured servitude, gross and flagrant human rights abuses with the wholesale repression of women and gays.


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,627 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    That story isn't as simple as her having a glass of wine. She turned up with no visa, starting mouthing off at the immi officials then tried to film them. Yes locking her up for that is probably a bit harsh but personally I don't have much sympathy for her, she should know better than to cause a scene in a place like that. This whole "she was locked up for simply having a glass of wine" bull**** is just media headlining nonsense as usual.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,453 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    JohnCleary wrote: »
    I can't help but think there's more to this story.

    What's the story with UK residents and visa for Dubai? I've never had to get a visa for Dubai visits (VOR?) and ive stayed almost a week at a time. They refer to an invalid visa in the report. What visa?!

    Full story would be nice to hear
    I thought that as well. But UK (and Swedish) residents can get a visa on arrival, so I don't see why a visa would be checked at all. I know I was there for a day while transiting to India, and I don't recall any checks on onward connections or whether I had a visa for India. I also had a glass of wine in a restaurant at the top of a skyscraper there; the alcohol rules certainly aren't as strict as noted.

    All a bit strange. Obviously completely unacceptable if it happened as outlined. Maybe I'm just inherently sceptical of the press given they're happy putting out clickbait articles with obvious holes in them rather than doing proper investigations.

    Also, why would she lose money on legal fees? Surely consular assistance should kick in?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    Some lovely golf courses there.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 687 ✭✭✭nim1bdeh38l2cw


    Nah, sure let’s have them host the World Cup instead. Let’s huy their oil and duty free and pretend we don’t know how these **** treat migrant workers.

    Well that's like saying Ireland is part of Britain.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 537 ✭✭✭Niles Crane


    If you don't like their laws don't go there.

    If people are going to go there then the least they can do is try and respect their laws regardless of how stupid they may be.

    The same applies to people from muslim countries going to other countries.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Some lovely golf courses there.

    when you have construction health and safety standards akin to those enjoyed by the slaves who built the pyramids it's easy to have the place looking good.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,963 ✭✭✭yosser hughes


    JohnCleary wrote: »
    I can't help but think there's more to this story.

    I landed in Dubai last year in an absolute state. Drank in the airport for another 3 hours and then on to a plane for Bangkok. They stopped.me at the gate and said they thought I was too drunk to fly. A bit of persuasion and using the excuse of me flying business class was infact because I had a very important meeting in Bangkok, they allowed me board.

    What's the story with UK residents and visa for Dubai? I've never had to get a visa for Dubai visits (VOR?) and ive stayed almost a week at a time. They refer to an invalid visa in the report. What visa?!

    Full story would be nice to hear.

    Just to add, I don't like Dubai or what it stands for... we only go as it's either a layover or to visit friends

    What do you think John? Why do you think you were treated differently to this woman? Now, have a think about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,068 ✭✭✭Dr Turk Turkelton


    Tzardine wrote: »
    Because people just dont care.

    Not trying to troll, but its true. The majority of folk just dont care about this kind of stuff. So long as the place looks good on an instagram photo to show their mates they are happy.

    Edit - Should also say, I lived in the middle east for a while, including Dubai. Its a weird place, for somewhere that is so strict in many things, I have never been in a place where prostitution was so in your face. The bars / hotels are full of them. Even one time I was with my girlfriend we were still getting propositioned for threesomes. This was around the same time the couple were jailed for a year for kissing on the beach.

    Was the threesome any good?
    Sex and sexuality forum >>>>>
    And don't leave any details out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,202 ✭✭✭✭Tom Dunne


    cdeb wrote: »
    Maybe I'm just inherently sceptical of the press given they're happy putting out clickbait articles with obvious holes in them rather than doing proper investigations.

    ^This.

    There was a report a few years back of a couple being arrested in Dubai for holding hands. Turns out they were riding on the beach, drunk, in full view of families - something that would get you arrested in a lot of countries, civilised or uncivilised.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,205 ✭✭✭✭JohnCleary


    What do you think John? Why do you think you were treated differently to this woman? Now, have a think about it.

    Because there was no issue with my Visa.

    Because I didn't get stroppy with an Immigration Officer.

    Because I didn't start recording an Immigration Officer with my phone.

    There's 3 reasons :pac:


  • Advertisement
  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    She'd have been arrested for the same thing anywhere else, but papers will keep spouting headlines like this for as long as they get eejits to lap them up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,076 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    If you don't like their laws don't go there.

    If people are going to go there then the least they can do is try and respect their laws regardless of how stupid they may be.

    The same applies to people from muslim countries going to other countries.

    They don't follow our laws they want their laws here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,841 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    JupiterKid wrote: »
    More human rights abuses wielded by that backward and frankly barbaric place Dubai where the glittering skyscrapers are really just a desert mirage built on sand and are not fooling a lot of people.

    Latest story to emerge is that a UK resident Swedish woman and her young daughter were imprisoned for the lady drinking one glass of wine on a flight to that sh*thole.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/world/mother-held-in-dubai-for-three-days-after-one-glass-of-wine-on-flight-861329.html


    Why do Westerners still choose to live and holiday there?

    In the case of the former, I can see why some people who don’t give a rat’s ass what happens to others - like tourists and residents who get on the wrong side of their medieval laws and who pay the price - are bribed by tax free big incomes but tourists who go there, a place where those glittering buildings that are the product of what amounts to indentured slave labour from poorer countries like Pakistan and Bangladesh. What is the appeal? :confused:


    Because it’s not the shìthole the Western media makes it out to be, in the simplest and most straightforward answer to your question. For many Irish people living in Dubai, Ireland is a shìthole by comparison. I’ve a mate living over there five years now and she’s loving every minute of it, happiest she’s ever been in her life, and sent me video of The Coronas playing there in concert on St. Patrick’s Day where they were having a right good knees up. Over here, we were subjected to people pissing on the streets and knocking seven bells out of each other.

    Perspective I guess, is what matters.


  • Posts: 24,774 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'd question this story. I was over there earlier in the year and drank about 8 cans on the flight had a bottle of whiskey in my carry on from duty free in Dublin and spent a large part of my week over there drinking including being absolutely hammered on one occasion and never had even a slight bit of hassle (bar taxi drivers being reluctant to take drunk people). Great spot have to say, their boozy brunches are legendary and some craic.

    Have a female family member living there and she loves the place. Western women are treated very well there from what I see, ladies nights are a regular thing for example where they drink for free while men have to pay normal prices.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,236 ✭✭✭Pkiernan


    To answer the OPs question, people dont care because only Trump supporters are evil.

    Left wing loonies know that anyone else is incapable of being evil.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,711 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Dubai or not Dubai, that is the question.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 821 ✭✭✭no.8


    I'd question this story. I was over there earlier in the year and drank about 8 cans on the flight had a bottle of whiskey in my carry on from duty free in Dublin and spent a large part of my week over there drinking including being absolutely hammered on one occasion and never had even a slight bit of hassle (bar taxi drivers being reluctant to take drunk people). Great spot have to say, their boozy brunches are legendary and some craic.


    Think you might have other issues... 8 cans on a flight <8hours.

    I know others who've lived in Abu Dhabi and left due to the archaic laws on co-occomodation and alcohol. You haven't lived there


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 821 ✭✭✭no.8


    Except this has nothing to do with the story. The state airline...offers alcohol on the flight. If they truely abided by their laws then they would flat out van alcohol. Practice what you preach. She did nothing wrong,wtf is wrong with you?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,538 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Nah, sure let’s have them host the World Cup instead. Let’s huy their oil and duty free and pretend we don’t know how these **** treat migrant workers.

    i know, shur itl be mihey craic begorra. :puke. the country should be stripped of the world cup.
    If you don't like their laws don't go there.

    If people are going to go there then the least they can do is try and respect their laws regardless of how stupid they may be.

    The same applies to people from muslim countries going to other countries.

    hellholes like that country don't deserve to have their laws respected. for laws to be respected, they must be just and fair.
    JohnCleary wrote: »
    Because there was no issue with my Visa.

    Because I didn't get stroppy with an Immigration Officer.

    Because I didn't start recording an Immigration Officer with my phone.

    There's 3 reasons

    only 1 of those is a reason, the first one.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,594 ✭✭✭✭yabadabado


    Nah, sure let’s have them host the World Cup instead. Let’s huy their oil and duty free and pretend we don’t know how these **** treat migrant workers.

    What world cup are Dubai hosting:o


Advertisement