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strandroad · 10-08-2018 10:24PM

Blazer wrote: »

And there shouldn't be.
If you can't afford to pay for the treatment to have IVF then you can't afford kids.
The last thing we need is people on welfare with no kids deciding to go for IVF and just start popping kids out.
There are alternatives like adoption etc.

There is practically no adoption available in Ireland.

Alrigghtythen · 10-08-2018 10:24PM

strandroad wrote: »

I honestly don't think there is any public programme in existence. They are only trying to start some subsidies now but the plan has stalled. Can you find anything online? I'm curious.

"IVF is not provided by the public health services. Your family doctor (GP) may refer you to the private specialists and clinics that provide the service or you may be able to contact the clinic directly for an appointment."

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/health/health_services/women_s_health/fertility_treatment.html

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/government-to-pay-for-couples-to-have-ivf-treatment-1.3242402
Government plan to fund it from 2019 supposedly

Galwayguy35 · 10-08-2018 10:26PM

22michael44 wrote: »

there's only so many jobs to go around, there's always going to be unemployed people. another thing that seems to pass a lot of people by

And yet Polish people can come over and are somehow able to find jobs, funny one that.

strandroad · 10-08-2018 10:26PM

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/government-to-pay-for-couples-to-have-ivf-treatment-1.3242402
Government plan to fund it from 2019 supposedly

It's not necesarily full funding at all, if you look at their choice of words. And the necessary legislation they promised in 2017 has not materialised yet. I wouldn't hold my breath.

prinzeugen · 10-08-2018 10:27PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Ehhhhh, we have full employment right now and companies can’t find people hence our 700,000 foreign workers.

You’re talking nonsense.

Bull****. If we had full employment then I would have a job. The problem is that companies would rather employ foreign workers than Irish/British. Experience and qualifications mean feck all now.

All they want is workers they can abuse and pay peanuts.

22michael44 · 10-08-2018 10:27PM

Blazer wrote: »

and what do you think will happen when AI or automation removes a lot of jobs?
Surely you can see that people treating welfare as an alternative to getting a job etc is leading to ruin?

i can see that being a problem but how would you deal with it? seems like that's an issue with automation. maybe shorter working weeks would be the answer, idk.

glenfieldman · 10-08-2018 10:29PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It was said earlier in the thread that she’s got a husband who is in prison. I don’t recall it being refuted.

She was asked today by a number of radio presenters where was her “husband” was and she point plank refused to answer

padd b1975 · 10-08-2018 10:29PM

22michael44 wrote: »

there's only so many jobs to go around, there's always going to be unemployed people. another thing that seems to pass a lot of people by

Rubbish.

I heard it reported on the radio today that the meat processing industry will have to import 500 workers to meet demand.

glenfieldman · 10-08-2018 10:30PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

What utopia do you think we should live in?

Tell me what country has solved every issue you listed above?

Life just doesn’t work like that unfortunately.

Especially when leeches like this one rob valuable taxes that could be spent elsewhere.

Canada

22michael44 · 10-08-2018 10:30PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

And yet Polish people can come over and are somehow able to find jobs, funny one that.

would you rather they came over and went on benefits? it's freedom of movement, and it doesn't contradict my point that there's only so many jobs to go around. i thought you'd welcome the Polish work ethic.

Mongfinder General · 10-08-2018 10:32PM

prinzeugen wrote: »

Bull****. If we had full employment then I would have a job. The problem is that companies would rather employ foreign workers than Irish/British. Experience and qualifications mean feck all now.

All they want is workers they can abuse and pay peanuts.

Why don’t you have a job? What jobs have you been applying for?

22michael44 · 10-08-2018 10:33PM

Mongfinder General wrote: »

Why don’t you have a job? What jobs have you been applying for?

haha, here we go, interrogating posters now. hope he doesn't have a facebook page linked to his username or it could be all over

fritzelly · 10-08-2018 10:34PM

Blazer wrote: »

And there shouldn't be.
If you can't afford to pay for the treatment to have IVF then you can't afford kids.
The last thing we need is people on welfare with no kids deciding to go for IVF and just start popping kids out.
There are alternatives like adoption etc.

Don't agree with that - if it's affordable then every couple should be given the chance of having one child from them, only one mind. Any more then you pay for it yourself but shouldn't deprive a couple of having a chance at a child of their own.

Wheeliebin30 · 10-08-2018 10:34PM

glenfieldman wrote: »

Canada

2 million homeless???????

10-08-2018 10:35PM

fritzelly wrote: »

Don't agree with that - if it's affordable then every couple should be given the chance of having one child from them, only one mind. Any more then you pay for it yourself but shouldn't deprive a couple of having a chance at a child of their own.

why?

prinzeugen · 10-08-2018 10:37PM

Mongfinder General wrote: »

Why don’t you have a job? What jobs have you been applying for?

Made redundant from the full time job. I have applied for everything that I have experience in or qualifications for. Not one bloody interview. No issue with CV etc as its been checked.

Age and nationality are definitely an issue. (And yes you don't need to put your age down on a CV, but its not rocket science to work it out).

Icsics · 10-08-2018 10:37PM

padd b1975 wrote: »

Rubbish.

I heard it reported on the radio today that the meat processing industry will have to import 500 workers to meet demand.

Have one of these plants near us. They bring in Brazilians & a few months later the entire clan follows

glenfieldman · 10-08-2018 10:38PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

2 million homeless???????

But great health service, education,
One of the safest country’s (apart from today and last week)
Excellent civil service

Wheeliebin30 · 10-08-2018 10:38PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

why?

You don’t believe infertility is a medical condition and shouldn’t be treated like every other one?

Ireland and Lithuania are the only countries in the EU that don’t fund ivf treatment.

Sundew · 10-08-2018 10:38PM

strandroad wrote: »

I don't think so? Some form of IVF subsidy was discussed to start in a year or two but are there any actual steps taken or is ot still just an intention?

https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/government-signs-off-on-financial-aid-for-ivf-couples-460251.html

glenfieldman · 10-08-2018 10:39PM

Sundew wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/government-signs-off-on-financial-aid-for-ivf-couples-460251.html

Jesus stick to the topic

Blazer · 10-08-2018 10:39PM

22michael44 wrote: »

i can see that being a problem but how would you deal with it? seems like that's an issue with automation. maybe shorter working weeks would be the answer, idk.

Yes shorter working weeks would be one area.
Example truck drivers and taxies in about 20 years time will not exist as it will be fully automated. Right now there's a chronic shortage of truck drivers as crap pay and long hours plus the long term career prospects are not selling it as a career.
But then again in the 1950's automation would be the death of the labour force and as it turned out it actually fuelled it.

Wheeliebin30 · 10-08-2018 10:39PM

glenfieldman wrote: »

But great health service, education,
One of the safest country’s (apart from today and last week)
Excellent civil service

And 2 million homeless.

We have 10,000 here and people loose their minds.

Once again 2 million.

10-08-2018 10:39PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

You don’t believe infertility is a medical condition and shouldn’t be treated like every other one?

Ireland and Lithuania are the only countries in the EU that don’t fund ivf treatment.

i dont believe having kids is a human right.

fritzelly · 10-08-2018 10:39PM

Deleted User wrote: »

why?

Why not? Adoption is a farce in this country, why not try and help a couple to have a child. It's not some novel idea that's never been tried anywhere else.
We pay people to pump out babies every year so why not help some couple who may be paying thousands in tax a little bit back by trying to help them conceive?

Mongfinder General · 10-08-2018 10:39PM

22michael44 wrote: »

haha, here we go, interrogating posters now. hope he doesn't have a facebook page linked to his username or it could be all over

I’m just trying to understand how a person seeking work can’t find a job in Ireland.

deco nate · 10-08-2018 10:40PM

22michael44 wrote: »

would you rather they came over and went on benefits? it's freedom of movement, and it doesn't contradict my point that there's only so many jobs to go around. i thought you'd welcome the Polish work ethic.

Wow, what are you on about?
That is exactly what that poster was saying.

Are you a friend of mags?

10-08-2018 10:40PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

And 2 million homeless.

We have 10,000 here and people loose their minds.

Once again 2 million.

there are never 10000 homeless people in this country

Wheeliebin30 · 10-08-2018 10:41PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

i dont believe having kids is a human right.

It’s not about rights, it’s about treating a medical condition.

Is treating cancer a human right?

10-08-2018 10:42PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

It’s not about rights, it’s about treating a medical condition.

Is treating cancer a human right?

yep

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