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Patrick2010 · 10-08-2018 12:17PM

Mike Hoch wrote: »

I fail to understand how we started a national movement over 150 poxy quid per year but failed to do one about the legal mafia extortion that is car insurance.

Not to mention the property tax. Who would have thought a few years ago you would have to pay the government a tax to live in your own house.
Why wasn't Paul Murphy out with his megaphone and his mob protesting about that?

PlaneSpeeking · 10-08-2018 12:18PM

eviltimeban wrote: »

98K isn't much for a CEO.

Bollocksed his vow of poverty up there though eh ?

I'd say yer man from the Capuchins is not on that.

Hypocrites.

PlaneSpeeking · 10-08-2018 12:18PM

Patrick2010 wrote: »

Not to mention the property tax. Who would have thought a few years ago you would have to pay the government a tax to live in your own house.
Why wasn't Paul Murphy out with his megaphone and his mob protesting about that?

Do you pay Property Tax if you're in a taxpayer funded furrever home ?

PlaneSpeeking · 10-08-2018 12:19PM

Cleopatra_ wrote: »

Rabble rabble dole scrounging single mother with a million kids looking for a house rabble rabble rabble. Let's all focus our hate on her and forget about the fact that the government is doing fcuk all about the housing crisis.

Point

MILES

You

gctest50 · 10-08-2018 12:20PM

eviltwin wrote: »

There's something wrong when wastes of space like this thing get a free gaff and people working and paying their way are struggling or having to do ridiculous commutes. We've gone badly wrong somewhere.

The first group are way easier for a "Can't Believe it's not Homeless" organisation to sort out and show results for at the end of the quarter - this is important to keep the money rolling in

It might be actual work to sort out some genuine cases

Cleopatra_ · 10-08-2018 12:21PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Point
MILES
You

Nope, I've got it. Hate people like her and it distracts you from the bigger issue.

Yer Da sells Avon · 10-08-2018 12:21PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Do you pay Property Tax if you're in a taxpayer funded furrever home ?

It's a tax on property ownership, so renters don't have to pay it, regardless of the nature of their tenancy.

10-08-2018 12:22PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Remember Leo called the media out a few weeks back??

He was 100% right.

There’s a well-heeled media trolling us especially in silly season, pulling stunts like this with all the usual suspects wheeled on board to guilt-trip the ordinary hard-working/coping individual.

Similar happens at Christmas, eg last year we had very well-heeled Ryan Tubridy’s pontificating righteous voice urging us to be “more thoughtful” with our money.

Fann Linn · 10-08-2018 12:22PM

Cleopatra_ wrote: »

Rabble rabble dole scrounging single mother with a million kids looking for a house rabble rabble rabble. Let's all focus our hate on her and forget about the fact that the government is doing fcuk all about the housing crisis.

I'd normally agree with you. However in this case the system worked, she was offered a house.

The reason people are focusing on her is that this house ian't good enough for her. She wants another one, in your words, 'in a housing crisis'.

eviltwin · 10-08-2018 12:22PM

Cleopatra_ wrote: »

Nope, I've got it. Hate people like her and it distracts you from the bigger issue.

Did you see the post where she was offered a place but refused it?

Homeless me arse

Wheeliebin30 · 10-08-2018 12:23PM

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

It's a tax on property ownership, so renters don't have to pay it, regardless of the nature of their tenancy.

Lol!!!

Bleeding suckers we are absolute suckers.

Kitty6277 · 10-08-2018 12:24PM

It would make you wonder what the point in trying to make a good life for yourself is at times. Just go on the dole, pop out a few kids, get a council house, sorted! So much easier than studying for a degree when I don't even know if I'll be able to afford to live anywhere in this country that has jobs by the time I'm finished.

PlaneSpeeking · 10-08-2018 12:24PM

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

It's a tax on property ownership, so renters don't have to pay it, regardless of the nature of their tenancy.

And therein explains why Murphy and his ilk will never protest it.

Hannibal_Smith · 10-08-2018 12:24PM

Whatever about her background, isn't it good that the housing crisis is put back in all our faces?

Where is all our money going? Is it going to repaying the debts from the crash? I saw it was mentioned on BBC news...part of me wonders whether it's a good thing? Maybe some outside help might work to put pressure on the government to solve the issues.

By issues I mean the people who are in b&bs and hotel rooms etc.

Cleopatra_ · 10-08-2018 12:26PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

I'd normally agree with you. However in this case the system worked, she was offered a house.

The reason people are focusing on her is that this house ian't good enough for her. She wants another one, in your words, 'in a housing crisis'.

eviltwin wrote: »

Did you see the post where she was offered a place but refused it?

Homeless me arse

My apologies, I didn't read the whole thread because it's 100 pages of the usual. Well I can understand people being annoyed that she turned down the house unless she had a genuine reason to turn it down. It would want to be a pretty good reason if the alternative is to remain homeless.

Yer Da sells Avon · 10-08-2018 12:26PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

And therein explains why Murphy and his ilk will never protest it.

As a renter, I wouldn't be too happy about paying a tax on an asset owned by someone who I'm already paying €13,920 per year.

Wheeliebin30 · 10-08-2018 12:27PM

Hannibal_Smith wrote: »

Whatever about her background, isn't it good that the housing crisis is put back in all our faces?

Where is all our money going? Is it going to repaying the debts from the crash? I saw it was mentioned on BBC news...part of me wonders whether it's a good thing? Maybe some outside help might work to put pressure on the government to solve the issues.

By issues I mean the people who are in b&bs and hotel rooms etc.

And they house all then immediately do you not think there would be another 10,000 along the next day looking for a free house??

Hello?? Wake up and kop on ffs, these people are scamming and the message needs to be sent that it won’t work.

Not encouraging them to go homeless.

Some people are brain dead I swear to god.

Wheeliebin30 · 10-08-2018 12:28PM

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

As a renter, I wouldn't be too happy about paying a tax on an asset owned by someone who I'm already paying €13,920 per year.

These people are having their rent paid by the tax payer.

PlaneSpeeking · 10-08-2018 12:29PM

Hannibal_Smith wrote: »

Whatever about her background, isn't it good that the housing crisis is put back in all our faces?

Where is all our money going? Is it going to repaying the debts from the crash? I saw it was mentioned on BBC news...part of me wonders whether it's a good thing? Maybe some outside help might work to put pressure on the government to solve the issues.

By issues I mean the people who are in b&bs and hotel rooms etc.

No, it's going to people like her.

Like the fact that that one household is getting the guts of 40,000 a year just in money - the associated freebies are added on.

Mike Hoch · 10-08-2018 12:31PM

http://www.dublincity.ie/sites/default/files/content/Housing/Home/Documents/HousingAllocationsScheme2013.pdf

Travelling Community
Priority status may be awarded to members of the Travelling Community , following assessment by the
Housing Welfare Officer and recommendation by the Senior Housing Welfare Officer, to facilitate access to
social housing supports.
Applicants assessed as being eligible and in need of housing will be placed on the list of qualified households
for social housing support according to their need.
Tenants of City Council Group Housing will be placed on the Transfer List in the appropriate band .
Caravan Dwellers will be placed on the Housing Priority list.

How many other affirmative action schemes do these clowns be running?

Yer Da sells Avon · 10-08-2018 12:31PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

These people are having their rent paid by the tax payer.

That's irrelevant. If they don't own the asset, why should they have to pay a tax on it?

c.p.w.g.w · 10-08-2018 12:32PM

People should not have children unless they have somewhere to call home...I understand contraception isn't 100% but that doesn't lead to 7 children. There is only a housing crisis, because people are to picky about where they want to live.

Plenty of places in the midlands, there is a propriety housing crisis. There are 20 places in Limerick City on sale right now for less than €100k. In longford there are 46 house for sale for under €100k.

Yes the government need to encourage to building of more houses, but there isn't exactly a shortage of cheap places, its just there not in desirable locations.

Wheeliebin30 · 10-08-2018 12:32PM

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

That's irrelevant. If they don't own the asset, why should they have to pay a tax on it?

Yeah that’s a fair point.

seamus · 10-08-2018 12:33PM

Calhoun wrote: »

I love this attitude of rewarding bad behavior, its how these people have the balls to do what they do as they understand clearly that there are fools who will just give them one more chance while never asking them to be responsible or holding them to account.

It also means abandoning our real vulnerable in society while we throw good money after bad.

These seven children are the real vulnerable in society.

You're all about punishment and responsibility, but can't see how you're just kicking the can down the road. Would you rather punish the mother now and then punish her seven adult children, or help her now and never have to deal with her kids?

Ignore the fact that she's a criminal. Ignore the fact that she's a liar. Ignore the fact that she's an idiot. Her children are none of these things. Yet.

We can't achieve the goal of punishing her bad choices while improving things for her children. The two are mutually exclusive.

What course of action will result in a better outcome for society?

PlaneSpeeking · 10-08-2018 12:34PM

Mike Hoch wrote: »

http://www.dublincity.ie/sites/default/files/content/Housing/Home/Documents/HousingAllocationsScheme2013.pdf

How many other affirmative action schemes do these clowns be running?

Well, in my College the Equal Status Act is considered sacrosanct meaning that if a student has an elderly parent with dementia or a 18 year old son with autism - they're f****d.

But if you are a Traveller, say the magic words and all manner of help opens up to you.

Not that many join - in my ten years here I think we've had three on our Access Programme and two basically milked the hardship fund dry and left.

Oh and we had an eejit from Pavee Point visit. Rarely have I wanted to lamp another person so badly.

rossmores · 10-08-2018 12:35PM

https://www.politicalirish.com/threads/mother-tells-of-heartbreak-after-six-kids-sleep-in-garda-station.26654/page-2
country is fcuked....

PlaneSpeeking · 10-08-2018 12:35PM

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

People should not have children unless they have somewhere to call home...I understand contraception isn't 100% but that doesn't lead to 7 children. There is only a housing crisis, because people are to picky about where they want to live.

Plenty of places in the midlands, there is a propriety housing crisis. There are 20 places in Limerick City on sale right now for less than €100k. In longford there are 46 house for sale for under €100k.

Yes the government need to encourage to building of more houses, but there isn't exactly a shortage of cheap places, its just there not in desirable locations.

Oy I live in the Midlands! Don't be encouraging her down here!!!!

:D

c.p.w.g.w · 10-08-2018 12:35PM

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

As a renter, I wouldn't be too happy about paying a tax on an asset owned by someone who I'm already paying €13,920 per year.

wow your rent is 2.5 times my annual mortgage repayment:eek:

Calhoun · 10-08-2018 12:36PM

Cleopatra_ wrote: »

Rabble rabble dole scrounging single mother with a million kids looking for a house rabble rabble rabble. Let's all focus our hate on her and forget about the fact that the government is doing fcuk all about the housing crisis.

I also love this attitude, it can be seen on both sides as if one wrong is better than the other.

We need a streamlined housing system, where it cannot be influenced by the media nor politicians. We also need those in need of social housing to have a dose of reality in what they can get/accept, if you have to compromise in the private sector you definitely have to do so when you are availing of public service.

Finally we also need to start putting in consequences for bad behavior from those availing of our social system.

This case in particular is a really bad one for the media to highlight and maybe thats why they are doing it because its exactly the case that pulls support from the homeless.

Prospectors · 10-08-2018 12:36PM

seamus wrote: »

These seven children are the real vulnerable in society.

You're all about punishment and responsibility, but can't see how you're just kicking the can down the road. Would you rather punish the mother now and then punish her seven adult children, or help her now and never have to deal with her kids?

Ignore the fact that she's a criminal. Ignore the fact that she's a liar. Ignore the fact that she's an idiot. Her children are none of these things. Yet.

We can't achieve the goal of punishing her bad choices while improving things for her children. The two are mutually exclusive.

What course of action will result in a better outcome for society?

Foster care maybe? Where the kids can be properly looked after?

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