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  • #512
    dr.fuzzenstein
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,620 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    JJJJNR wrote: »
    The Clinton fact I posted earlier you will have to do your own research for, its all there on the internet for you to search out.

    I am he as you are he as you are me
    And we are all together
    See how they run like pigs from a gun
    See how they fly
    I'm crying


  • #513
    The Legend Of Kira
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 726 ✭✭✭The Legend Of Kira


    B0jangles wrote: »
    OK, what if today Alex Jones told his millions of fans that you (full name, with pictures and a partial address), are a paedophile and a devil-worshipper.

    Would you be happy to let him say what he wants, then calmly and rationally explain to the crazy man with the enormous audience that you are not in fact a paedophile or a devil-worshipper?

    You are limited to using your public platform of your own little twitter account and your facebook page to defend yourself, Jones gets to use his enormous public platform to attack you with appalling and dangerous lies.

    Would you still defend his freedom of speech after his insane fans have destroyed your business/gotten you fired/driven out of your home/harrass you every. single. day via phonecalls, letters, emails, etc.,

    And you know, even if he issues a retraction they aren't going to go away - they will probably never all go away. This will be your life from now on because these people are nuts

    And all because Alex Jones really wants to sell some pills to easy marks.

    I ll address the point of your post regarding the question of where the line should be drawn.

    I support his right to free speech in the context of freedom of opinion/right to hold opinions & right to express opinions, if Alex Jones wants to express his opinions about 9/11 being " a false flag " or his opinions about the Illuminati or his opinions about fluoride etc.

    Defamation if he mentions a person directly by his/her name & says something about him/her that,s libellous I think that person has every right to sue him under libel/defamation laws as it currently happening at the present moment some families are suing him for defamation which I think they have a right to do so.

    If he has posted or gave out another person,s home address he should be prosecuted under anti harassment laws for doing so.


  • #514
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,935 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    JJJJNR wrote: »
    The Clinton fact I posted earlier you will have to do your own research for, its all there on the internet for you to search out.


    there was no fact. Just something saying she was linked to a company owned by two irish guys. No mention of any illegality.


  • #515
    The Legend Of Kira
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 726 ✭✭✭The Legend Of Kira


    splashuum wrote: »
    The new Infowars App now #1 downloaded news app on the App Store. Ahead of Fox,CNN etc etc ��

    Im not at all surprised to hear this, banning him was counter productive Controversy creates Interest Alex Jones is a controversial public figure as it it, by banning him from multiple social media sites all they have done is make him even more controversial thus creating even more interest in him, his banning has being talked about all over the internet/on various news outlets/various radio talk shows etc, a lot of people who usually don,t pay any attention to Alex Jones will be wondering " hey what is this guy saying that,s so bad that they re banning him ? " & will check out his show on the phone apps or his website giving him more attention then usual.


  • #516
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,935 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    The Legend Of Kira wrote: »
    Im not at all surprised to hear this, banning him was counter productive Controversy creates Interest Alex Jones is a controversial public figure as it it, by banning him from multiple social media sites all they have done is make him even more controversial thus creating even more interest in him, his banning has being talked about all over the internet/on various news outlets/various radio talk shows etc, a lot of people who usually don,t pay any attention to Alex Jones will be wondering " hey what is this guy saying that,s so bad that they re banning him ? " & will check out his show on the phone apps or his website giving him more attention then usual.


    It does serve a purpose. It denies him the income he was making from YT and Apple.

    and going by these stats https://socialblade.com/youtube/c/infowars/monthly he was making roughly 2K a day from YT alone.


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  • #517
    JJJJNR
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,791 ✭✭✭JJJJNR


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    there was no fact. Just something saying she was linked to a company owned by two irish guys. No mention of any illegality.


    So because something is legal does it mean it's morally acceptable. You seem intelligent be the truth seeker and tell me what the Clintons did.


  • #518
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    JJJJNR wrote: »
    What specific conspiracies are you referring to? Clinton is based on fact, Cory Haim abuse is a fact, there's no conspiracy.

    You're relating Corey Haim abuse to Clinton? Also it's pretty telling that you ignored the Sandy Hook stuff...


  • #519
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,935 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    JJJJNR wrote: »
    So because something is legal does it mean it's morally acceptable. You seem intelligent be the truth seeker and tell me what the Clintons did.


    You are the one making allegations. what have they done that was morally unacceptable?


  • #520
    dr.fuzzenstein
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,620 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    JJJJNR wrote: »
    So because something is legal does it mean it's morally acceptable. You seem intelligent be the truth seeker and tell me what the Clintons did.

    Sitting on a corn flake
    Waiting for the van to come
    Corporation T-shirt, stupid bloody Tuesday
    Man you've been a naughty boy
    You let your face grow long


  • #521
    ancapailldorcha
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    JJJJNR wrote: »
    The Clinton fact I posted earlier you will have to do your own research for, its all there on the internet for you to search out.

    Translation: You have nothing whatsoever and expect other people to do your research for you.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • #522
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    Translation: You have nothing whatsoever and expect other people to do your research for you.

    I'm finding it telling that negatives about Alex Jones and the damage that he does is virtually ignored.


  • #523
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,934 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    batgoat wrote: »
    I'm finding it telling that negatives about Alex Jones and the damage that he does is virtually ignored.

    Telling, yes but I hope you don't find it surprising.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #524
    The Legend Of Kira
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 726 ✭✭✭The Legend Of Kira


    Lux23 wrote: »
    Problem is people believe what he is saying. For instance, that Trump is fighting a global paedophile ring. It was platforming rubbish like this that got him elected in the first place.

    The fact he,s being banned from various social media sites, some people might be even more inclined to believe various conspiracy theories that he goes on about, some quote " truth seekers " will probably be saying " there must be some truth to what he says when he gets banned like this ".


  • #525
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    Telling, yes but I hope you don't find it surprising.

    Nah definitely not surprised, I'm still trying to work out what real event Jones has reported upon that real news outlets haven't.


  • #526
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,935 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    The Legend Of Kira wrote: »
    The fact he,s being banned from various social media sites, some people might be even more inclined to believe various conspiracy theories that he goes on about, some quote " truth seekers " will probably be saying " there must be some truth to what he says when he gets banned like this ".


    you can't stop idiots being idiots. Do you think the people who listen to him apply critical thinking skills to what he says?


  • #527
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,935 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    batgoat wrote: »
    Nah, I'm still trying to work out what real event Jones has reported upon that real news outlets haven't.


    At least they are not as bad as the guy in the CT forum who linked to a vid of Hillary and claimed that you could spot her momentarily shifting into her alien form and back again.


  • #528
    The Legend Of Kira
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 726 ✭✭✭The Legend Of Kira


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    It does serve a purpose. It denies him the income he was making from YT and Apple.

    and going by these stats https://socialblade.com/youtube/c/infowars/monthly he was making roughly 2K a day from YT alone.

    For the moment the Infowars app is still available with Apple.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/08/apple-allows-infowars-in-app-store.html


  • #529
    B0jangles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭B0jangles


    The Legend Of Kira wrote: »
    I ll address the point of your post regarding the question of where the line should be drawn.

    I support his right to free speech in the context of freedom of opinion/right to hold opinions & right to express opinions, if Alex Jones wants to express his opinions about 9/11 being " a false flag " or his opinions about the Illuminati or his opinions about fluoride etc.

    Defamation if he mentions a person directly by his/her name & says something about him/her that,s libellous I think that person has every right to sue him under libel/defamation laws as it currently happening at the present moment some families are suing him for defamation which I think they have a right to do so.

    If he has posted or gave out another person,s home address he should be prosecuted under anti harassment laws for doing so.


    How much is your good name worth to you?


    How much money would you be willing to accept to make up for years and years of constant harrassment?
    Having to move house repeatedly, having to change jobs, maybe even having to change your name?
    Having to scrape together enough money to even take a court-case against someone as rich as Alex Jones?


    He is entitled to hold all the crackpot, stupid, scurrilous opinions he wants.
    He is not entitled to express those opinions without suffering any consquences, and is he certainly not entitled to the use of a private platform as his megaphone to project his opinions to a huge audience.


    Let him scream his rubbish from a street corner.


  • #530
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,935 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    The Legend Of Kira wrote: »
    For the moment the Infowars app is still available with Apple.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/08/apple-allows-infowars-in-app-store.html


    in fairness they only clarified that today. But they removed him from iTunes and that would have been the real moneyspinner not the app. And the 2K a day from YT has to hurt.


  • #531
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    The Legend Of Kira wrote: »
    For the moment the Infowars app is still available with Apple.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/08/apple-allows-infowars-in-app-store.html

    Fingers crossed that he ends up broke via the Sandy Hook lawsuit as he created a conspiracy around grieving parents and profited via it. That would not be bad for freedom of speech btw, it would be compensation that will never fully cover the damage he has done to them.


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  • #532
    The Legend Of Kira
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 726 ✭✭✭The Legend Of Kira


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    you can't stop idiots being idiots. Do you think the people who listen to him apply critical thinking skills to what he says?

    Some will see him for what he is & laugh him off, some will be gullible enough to buy into his conspiracy theories, the best way to persuade people who would be gullible is for Alex Jones to be challenged in open debates more often in a public forum .


  • #533
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,935 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    The Legend Of Kira wrote: »
    Some will see him for what he is & laugh him off, some will be gullible enough to buy into his conspiracy theories, the best way to persuade people who would be gullible is for Alex Jones to be challenged in open debates more often in a public forum .




    Alex jones has no interest in an open debate in a public forum. there is no money in it for him.


  • #534
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,019 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    The Legend Of Kira wrote: »
    I support his right to free speech in the context of freedom of opinion/right to hold opinions & right to express opinions, if Alex Jones wants to express his opinions about 9/11 being " a false flag " or his opinions about the Illuminati or his opinions about fluoride etc.

    You'd change your tune pretty quickly if someone in your family was killed and followers of this man were harassing you because he had indirectly incited them to do so

    It's incitement to hatred and an abuse of free speech.


  • #535
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,019 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    The Legend Of Kira wrote: »
    the best way to persuade people who would be gullible is for Alex Jones to be challenged in open debates more often in a public forum .

    He has been on open debates. If this worked, his followers would be decreasing, they aren't decreasing.

    He just sits there and rants. And his audience grows simply by virtue of him being on a larger platform

    So no, it doesn't work.


  • #536
    Odhinn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,488 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    riffmongous wrote: »
    I'm sure Alex has a supplement for that


    One so good you'll grow hair on your lad after it.


  • #537
    JJJJNR
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,791 ✭✭✭JJJJNR


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    Translation: You have nothing whatsoever and expect other people to do your research for you.

    Life isn't perfect, if interested in it do it yourself.


  • #538
    Call Me Jimmy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Call Me Jimmy


    He should be sued to the arse end of the universe by sandy hook victims and taken to court wherever there are cases of defamation/libel by those affected. He wasn't booted for that though.

    If he said all transgenders should be burned alive and that was the reason I'm happy to see him get reprimanded / potentially lose his channel (only concern then is who will decide when someone is joking or not if a self-admitted performance artist can't use it as a defense). But I'd expect to see all the companies put the transgender thing front and center because it's incitement to violence and they could make an easy justification to the public and he could be prosecuted and go to jail for it if there is a case.

    The comapany statements are so vague and since 'hate speech' is invoked I'm a little more sceptical because it is almost impossible to define. Hate speech is not incitement to violence. It's a whole different concept and a horrible one.

    Facebook had already weasel'd in the phrase 'hateful speech' into their policy statements which is just ludicrous. One of the reasons I think this is all going to rotten place. I'd much more prefer to deal with the consequences of hateful speech then live with those that come from it being banned.

    But they are private companies and they can do what they want so no further discussion is needed seemingly, no nuance or attention to details. 'There is no nuance', there certainly is in the wider context. Was happy to see Jimmy Dore, David Pakman and Kyle Kulinksy, even the Young Turks to a point, recognising this.


  • #539
    WinnyThePoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    The Legend Of Kira wrote: »
    Some will see him for what he is & laugh him off, some will be gullible enough to buy into his conspiracy theories, the best way to persuade people who would be gullible is for Alex Jones to be challenged in open debates more often in a public forum .




    Alex jones has no interest in an open debate in a public forum. there is no money in it for him.

    I find a lot of these free speech 'advocates' tend to only advocate for far right / conspiracy loons.


  • #540
    dr.fuzzenstein
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,620 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    JJJJNR wrote: »
    Life isn't perfect, if interested in it do it yourself.

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    They are the egg men
    I am the walrus
    Goo goo g'joob


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  • #541
    Ipso
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    WinnyThePoo wrote: »
    I find a lot of these free speech 'advocates' tend to only advocate for far right / conspiracy loons.

    A lot of these free speech advocates also seem to be constitution fetishists, but the US constitution only protects speech from government censorship and not private entities.
    Not to say that having companies pick and choose isn't worrying, as there are serious problems with echo chambers that we don't need to add to it.


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