Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018/2019 [Mod note 31-Aug-18]

Bleating Lamb · 09-08-2018 02:37PM

While there has being lots of talk the last few weeks about Utd buying a CB....I think it says a lot that there has being no talk that I'm aware of of Utd getting any bids for Smalling or Jones who were meant to be available to sell this Summer.

Rumours Everton after Rojo but nothing concrete there either.
Alderweirald would be expensive at 60m but would improve the defence no end.
If either Jones or Smalling had gone for 15m it would have given us some leverage money to bring in a better CB.

WinnyThePoo · 09-08-2018 02:38PM

Coat22 wrote: »

The one's which cause our 'keeper to be our player of the season every year.
I don't buy the "we have the best goals conceded record" line either - the reason for this is our style of play rather than any great achievement by the journeymen. If we had a quality back 4 all in front of them could play more expansive football rather than worrying about Rashford and Lukaku spending most of their time tracking back.

Most people using logic would. Lukaku tracking back:pac:

6am7f9zxrsjvnb · 09-08-2018 02:40PM

Bailey,Smalling,Jones,Rojo,Lindelof all fighting for 2 spots is good enough to fight for the title.
Why the hell would they want to add a sixth to the mix?
Did anyone fancy Harry Maguire in May?
He bangs in a header against Columbia and suddenly he’s Vidic...The squad is there.It justs needs a manager with faith and enthusiasm.

Kirby · 09-08-2018 02:44PM

Maguire made the squad. Smalling did not. Many people were surprised at Jones' inclusion and his performances in the tournament itself were very poor. Even disregarding that, Jones has proven over the last few years that while he is a decent premier league defender, he isn't good enough at the very highest level.

Why wouldn't you want an improvement to the team? It's not your money. As a fan I find it bizarre that you would want to stick with weaker players.

Coat22 · 09-08-2018 02:45PM

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

Coat22 wrote: »

The one's which cause our 'keeper to be our player of the season every year.
I don't buy the "we have the best goals conceded record" line either - the reason for this is our style of play rather than any great achievement by the journeymen. If we had a quality back 4 all in front of them could play more expansive football rather than worrying about Rashford and Lukaku spending most of their time tracking back.

Most people using logic would. Lukaku tracking back:pac:

Not sure why - under VG we looked impregnable and Smalling the best defender in England. Reason? We effectively played 7 at the back with 2 (very) deep lying midfielders. The football was sh*te as the other 4 players couldn't break down the opposition on their own with 2/3 of the pitch in front of them.
Goals conceded is a measure of how well a team defends rather than how good its back 4 is. What is plainly obvious with United is that the midfield and attack spend so much time covering the CBs that we can't break teams down at speed.

adox · 09-08-2018 02:47PM

Kirby wrote: »

Maguire made the squad. Smalling did not. Many people were surprised at Jones' inclusion and his performances in the tournament itself were very poor. Even disregarding that, Jones has proven over the last few years that while he is a decent premier league defender, he isn't good enough at the very highest level.

Why wouldn't you want an improvement to the team? It's not your money. As a fan I find it bizarre that you would want to stick with weaker players.

Thats only if you think they are weaker(in relation to Maguire)

WinnyThePoo · 09-08-2018 02:51PM

Coat22 wrote: »

Not sure why - under VG we looked impregnable and Smalling the best defender in England. Reason? We effectively played 7 at the back with 2 (very) deep lying midfielders. The football was sh*te as the other 4 players couldn't break down the opposition on their own with 2/3 of the pitch in front of them.
Goals conceded is a measure of how well a team defends rather than how good its back 4 is. What is plainly obvious with United is that the midfield and attack spend so much time covering the CBs that we can't break teams down at speed.

LVG isn't the manager anymore thankfully.

Our defensive record is good under Mourinho. Strikers missing sitters against the likes of West Brom cost us multiple points last season.

MaceFace · 09-08-2018 02:54PM

Adrien Future Ace wrote: »

Bailey,Smalling,Jones,Rojo,Lindelof all fighting for 2 spots is good enough to fight for the title.
Why the hell would they want to add a sixth to the mix?
Did anyone fancy Harry Maguire in May?
He bangs in a header against Columbia and suddenly he’s Vidic...The squad is there.It justs needs a manager with faith and enthusiasm.

Have to disagree. The back 4 has to be as settled as possible with as few changes as possible. The center backs need to form a partnership, so it doesn't matter if there are 5 players or 15 players competing - there should be a clear 2 who should be the starters and anything else should be cover.
How many of the players listed would other top clubs be interested in if they became available?

I agree though - going after Maguire is lazy and desperate.

None of the players mentioned are a patch on the Utd center halfs over the last 20 years.

markc91 · 09-08-2018 02:57PM

Speaking of skybet were odds on 8/13 to make at least one signing today

J. Marston · 09-08-2018 03:00PM

Skybet can talk to the back of my sack.

Gambling, gambling, gambling. Polluting football and sports coverage.

bangkok · 09-08-2018 03:06PM

markc91 wrote: »

Speaking of skybet were odds on 8/13 to make at least one signing today

Who even gambles on stuff like that?!

Drumpot · 09-08-2018 03:08PM

J. Marston wrote: »

Skybet can talk to the back of my sack.

This is how I picture you right now . .

xtal191 · 09-08-2018 03:08PM

markc91 wrote: »

Speaking of skybet were odds on 8/13 to make at least one signing today

What are the odds on us not signing anyone?

09-08-2018 03:10PM

Kirby wrote: »

Maguire made the squad. Smalling did not. Many people were surprised at Jones' inclusion and his performances in the tournament itself were very poor. Even disregarding that, Jones has proven over the last few years that while he is a decent premier league defender, he isn't good enough at the very highest level.

Why wouldn't you want an improvement to the team? It's not your money. As a fan I find it bizarre that you would want to stick with weaker players.

A lot of people here (well me anyway) believe Smalling to be the 4th or 5th best CB at the club. I can see that he has strengths in the air but when the ball is on the floor he is bad both with and without it.

Which of Jones' many performances in the world cup are you referring to? He has been very good when he's gotten runs of games the last few years.

Lindelof was excellent in the WC. Bailly has shown when fit that he is a very capable player. Rojo hasn't really come back from his injury and is a worry.

Ultimately it's about keeping the likes of Jones and Bailly fit for extended periods of time. If they believe that can't be done then a dependable one should be signed but even Alderweireld is injured a lot of the time so unsure how much he would help on that front.

How Soon Is Now · 09-08-2018 03:11PM

Looks like that's that for the transfer window so.

Wonder who we have available for tommorrw.

markc91 · 09-08-2018 03:12PM

xtal191 wrote: »

What are the odds on us not signing anyone?

If i could back that id put everything i own on it :pac:

Kirby · 09-08-2018 03:14PM

Liam O wrote: »

Which of Jones' many performances in the world cup are you referring to? He has been very good when he's gotten runs of games the last few years.

He only played in two games man. The two Belgium ones and was very poor in both being responsible for two out of the three goals conceded. You will be hard pressed to find a football fan convinced he's good enough for United.

markcahill1985 · 09-08-2018 03:16PM

markc91 wrote:

Speaking of skybet were odds on 8/13 to make at least one signing today

Phil Jagielka at 4.55pm

6am7f9zxrsjvnb · 09-08-2018 03:18PM

MaceFace wrote: »

Have to disagree. The back 4 has to be as settled as possible with as few changes as possible. The center backs need to form a partnership, so it doesn't matter if there are 5 players or 15 players competing - there should be a clear 2 who should be the starters and anything else should be cover.
How many of the players listed would other top clubs be interested in if they became available?

I agree though - going after Maguire is lazy and desperate.

None of the players mentioned are a patch on the Utd center halfs over the last 20 years.

I can see the logic of a settled partnership ..Bruce/Pally or Rio/Vidic would be sweet!

For me it’s Bailly/Smalling ..people have short memories regarding Smalling.He was a colossus in 15/16 and he’s only 28.
I hope he can use the fact that he’s seen as deadwood (by some)as a real incentive to kick on now.

Coat22 · 09-08-2018 03:19PM

Kirby wrote: »

Liam O wrote: »

Which of Jones' many performances in the world cup are you referring to? He has been very good when he's gotten runs of games the last few years.

He only played in two games man. The two Belgium ones and was very poor in both being responsible for two out of the three goals conceded. You will be hard pressed to find a football fan convinced he's good enough for United.

And to think - when I dissed him and Smalling here 4 or 5 years ago there was uproar with one prominent contributor here citing Jones as "the best young defender in Europe" - and he wasn't alone in that thinking

Drumpot · 09-08-2018 03:19PM

Did Pochetino just say that they actually never received any contact from United for Alderweirald ? Either he is lieing for no obvious reason or United have never been in for him which makes a mockery of ANY twitter or supposed journalist source.

I cant understand not contacting a club until you know they will actually move but where are all the rumours coming from about this move and how accurate are they if the club hasn't even contacted Spurs about the player yet ?

Coat22 · 09-08-2018 03:21PM

Adrien Future Ace wrote: »

MaceFace wrote: »

Have to disagree. The back 4 has to be as settled as possible with as few changes as possible. The center backs need to form a partnership, so it doesn't matter if there are 5 players or 15 players competing - there should be a clear 2 who should be the starters and anything else should be cover.
How many of the players listed would other top clubs be interested in if they became available?

I agree though - going after Maguire is lazy and desperate.

None of the players mentioned are a patch on the Utd center halfs over the last 20 years.

I can see the logic of a settled partnership ..Bruce/Pally or Rio/Vidic would be sweet!

For me it’s Bailly/Smalling ..people have short memories regarding Smalling.He was a colossus in 15/16 and he’s only 28.
I hope he can use the fact that he’s seen as deadwood (by some)as a real incentive to kick on now.

Tell me people still don't believe this on here??? Smalling look good under VG becuase VG played with 7 at the back. Smalling was shielded by 2 deep lying mid fielders. As soon as VG did one he was exposed for the joe average CB he is - Fulham standard

WinnyThePoo · 09-08-2018 03:21PM

Drumpot wrote: »

Did Pochetino just say that they actually never received any contact from United for Alderweirald ? Either he is lieing for no obvious reason or United have never been in for him which makes a mockery of ANY twitter or supposed journalist source.

I cant understand not contacting a club until you know they will actually move but where are all the rumours coming from about this move and how accurate are they if the club hasn't even contacted Spurs about the player yet ?

To sell papers and get clicks. We have five centre backs. None of them leaving. The media always go cuckoo over United.

Trigger · 09-08-2018 03:23PM

Woody better get his skates on.. leaving this Bale signing very late :pac:

6am7f9zxrsjvnb · 09-08-2018 03:28PM

Coat22 wrote: »

Tell me people still don't believe this on here??? Smalling look good under VG becuase VG played with 7 at the back. Smalling was shielded by 2 deep lying mid fielders. As soon as VG did one he was exposed for the joe average CB he is - Fulham standard

One with 2 PL medals in the back pocket before he met VG.

Lord TSC · 09-08-2018 03:30PM

Drumpot wrote: »

Did Pochetino just say that they actually never received any contact from United for Alderweirald ? Either he is lieing for no obvious reason or United have never been in for him which makes a mockery of ANY twitter or supposed journalist source.

I cant understand not contacting a club until you know they will actually move but where are all the rumours coming from about this move and how accurate are they if the club hasn't even contacted Spurs about the player yet ?

For the player's sake, to make sure the fans don't have knives out for him for the next 12 months, this absolutely is the line a manager should be taking.

What do you expect? "Yeah, he wanted to leave, and will probably go next summer, now would everyone buy their kids a Toby shirt?"

threein99 · 09-08-2018 03:30PM

Adrien Future Ace wrote: »

Bailey,Smalling,Jones,Rojo,Lindelof all fighting for 2 spots is good enough to fight for the title.
Why the hell would they want to add a sixth to the mix?
Did anyone fancy Harry Maguire in May?
He bangs in a header against Columbia and suddenly he’s Vidic...The squad is there.It justs needs a manager with faith and enthusiasm.

If you combined all of them you would might make one half decent centre back

09-08-2018 03:30PM

Coat22 wrote: »

Tell me people still don't believe this on here??? Smalling look good under VG becuase VG played with 7 at the back. Smalling was shielded by 2 deep lying mid fielders. As soon as VG did one he was exposed for the joe average CB he is - Fulham standard

It suited him because he is actually very good in the air and was given enough space that his utter ineptitude on the ball wasn't punished more.

For the points above about Jones, he is a good footballer, strong in the air and a very good tackler. Injuries have held him back but there is still a great player in there imo.

Kirby · 09-08-2018 03:30PM

Adrien Future Ace wrote: »

One with 2 PL medals in the back pocket before he met VG.

Luke Chadwick and Pascal Cygan both have winners medals.

Lets not use that as a metric of talent. Lets use talent as a metric for talent.

Drumpot · 09-08-2018 03:33PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

For the player's sake, to make sure the fans don't have knives out for him for the next 12 months, this absolutely is the line a manager should be taking.

What do you expect? "Yeah, he wanted to leave, and will probably go next summer, now would everyone buy their kids a Toby shirt?"

That actually makes sense. Also shows that we cant always read too much into managers quotes.

Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018/2019 [Mod note 31-Aug-18]

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