Is Ladies Day at the Races outdated and sexist?

Grayson · 07-08-2018 08:14PM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Some of the hats.....

That looks photoshopped

Donald Trump · 07-08-2018 08:27PM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Some of the hats.....

A nod (pun intended) to her real purpose in life

Getting back ta feck into the kitchen and making me a fry

:pac:

jimgoose · 07-08-2018 08:33PM

I think some po-faced yoke didn't place in the Curragh, Punchestown, OR Galway!

TheQuietFella · 07-08-2018 08:36PM

JupiterKid wrote: »

According to a journo in the Indo it is. She opines that the entire concept of "ladies day" where women dress up to the so-called "nines" in dresses and fancy hats at horse racing events are a sexist anachronism that does not belong in the 21st century. After all, there is no "gentlemans day."

When womens sport is often under-reported and sidelined in the media and the success of the Irish women's hockey team making it to the finals in the World Championships, does she have a point?

Link here:
https://www.pressreader.com/ireland/irish-independent/20180806/281689730630700

The ladies don't seem to have a problem with it?

WoollyRedHat · 07-08-2018 08:38PM

A journo and the Indo, not mutually exclusive.

jimgoose · 07-08-2018 08:38PM

TheQuietFella wrote: »

The ladies don't seem to have a problem with it?

It's almost as if many women like to buy new, glamorous outfits for certain sporting and/or social occasions, and show them off and even have a bit of lighthearted competition. Who'da thunk??

07-08-2018 08:51PM

It's just a harmless tradition. I don't think anyone can really object to it sincerely.

jimgoose · 07-08-2018 08:53PM

Candie wrote: »

It's just a harmless tradition. I don't think anyone can really object to it sincerely.

Emma, the other Emma, Jessica and Mary-Kate would upend that chungwan into a horse trough if she came out with that spiel to them, I can assure you!

freshpopcorn · 07-08-2018 09:03PM

It's a bit of fun for some people. Those I know who are into it love it. It isn't compusary to make a big effort for ladies day.

JupiterKid · 07-08-2018 09:13PM

My opinion? A touch of sour grapes from that indo media hack. Why not have a gents day? To balance it out and provide some eye candy for the women and us gayers.

_Kaiser_ · 07-08-2018 09:19PM

Honest question here because I think I missed the memo.

When did we start importing wholesale and legitimising this nonsense US-led identity politics shyte??

I know we Irish have a need for validation and to be liked by everyone, but has our own culture become so watered down that we have no identity of our own anymore?

ConnyMcDavid · 07-08-2018 09:22PM

It's about time we end this tyranny of women being told to dress up and being marched around a race course at gunpoint.

Are Am Eye · 07-08-2018 09:33PM

The Horses, the men and the women all have their job to do at the races.
Respectively - to race around like mad, to give your money away to perfect strangers and to look good.
Maybe these jobs should be shuffled around at random at the beginning of each race meeting. Change things up a bit.

The Rape of Lucretia · 07-08-2018 09:43PM

Grayson wrote: »

Is it sexist? Dunno. Probably not.

Do they look stupid in those hats? definitely.

Edit a Google Image search for "races ladies day" brings up this as the first result

Women enjoy dressing up in fancy clothes and brightly coloured hats. It satisfies their innate need to try to attract a man, who will protect and provide for them. Doing so where the population is generally male, as at a horse race is doubly appealing. That they are officially 'on show' for the men, and, with the horses, part of the show being put on for the men visitors, clinches the deal for the popularity with ladies of 'Ladies Day' at the races. Being deemed superior to all the other ladies, really makes the day for the winner, boosting her confidence that she can attract a man, and that her future is secure.
They dont spell all this out in the publicity for them. But there isnt really any need to. Everyone understands this is what they are about.

07-08-2018 09:58PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

It's a bit of fun for some people.

How fcuking dare they.

Sal Butamol · 07-08-2018 10:17PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Honest question here because I think I missed the memo.

When did we start importing wholesale and legitimising this nonsense US-led identity politics shyte??

I know we Irish have a need for validation and to be liked by everyone, but has our own culture become so watered down that we have no identity of our own anymore?

Social media plays a huge part.

But so do our third level sociology departments. They are brainwashing factories for the worst kind of loony left bollix imported directly from the U.S.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 08-08-2018 01:08PM

doylefe wrote: »

I was under the impression women were as free as men to make a choice in what they do.

And if a woman wants to dress up for Ladies Day, or if a woman wants to be a pit girl for Formula 1, shouldn't they be allowed to do so?

I wonder is a lot of the origins of this ****e just ugly women jealous of good looking / fashionable women.

In a word, Yes.

PlaneSpeeking · 08-08-2018 01:13PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

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In a word, Yes.

Not always - I'm a fairly plain looking bird and every year go on the defensive at the sneering to those attending Ladies Day at the Grand National meeting.

Plus pit girls, walk on girls at darts etc etc - all fine.

Seems to me like feminists bang on about wanting to give women choices but in reality it's only choices they approve of.

I worked years ago with a girl who put herself through Uni lapdancing, had a house paid off at 25.

Bloody good on her!

Hitman3000 · 08-08-2018 01:14PM

Surely the women are dressing up and putting themselves on display with no coercion from anyone else?

PlaneSpeeking · 08-08-2018 01:15PM

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Surely the women are dressing up and putting themselves on display with no coercion from anyone else?

Apparently the patriarchy is invisible - or some such bollix!

amcalester · 08-08-2018 01:19PM

Does she know it's the female punters who get dressed up and not the jockeys?

Not sure what the relevance of the women's hockey team have to the article, comparing athletes of one sport with attendees of another is strange.

eviltimeban · 08-08-2018 01:28PM

JupiterKid wrote: »

My opinion? A touch of sour grapes from that indo media hack. Why not have a gents day? To balance it out and provide some eye candy for the women and us gayers.

Because getting Irish men to dress up would be a car crash in itself. It would be endless ill fitting light blue suits and tan shoes.

Redpatio · 08-08-2018 01:30PM

What makes something outdated?

Hitman3000 · 08-08-2018 01:39PM

Redpatio wrote:

What makes something outdated?

Opinion, technology, advancement, society.

Redpatio · 08-08-2018 01:42PM

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Opinion, technology, advancement, society.

At the risk of sounding rude, could you form a sentence in your reply, I don't understand your answer.

Grayson · 08-08-2018 01:55PM

I'm probably going to regret posting this but how about we flip it on it's head?
If a woman decided to wear the exact opposite to flashy and decided to wear a burka, would we be having the same discussion about it? Would everyone be saying it's none of our business what they wear? It's her decision to wear it. It doesn't affect anyone else.
btw, my position is that people can wear whatever style of clothing they want. Burka, race day attire with silly hats, pyjamas. I may judge them on crappy style but I'm not going to say that they shouldn't be allowed wear it.

(Note: Although I often participate in discussions about Islam I try not to bring it up in discussions where it's not already there because it's such a hot button topic here. In this case though I do see enough parallels to make me think it's relevant)

Hitman3000 · 08-08-2018 02:07PM

Redpatio wrote:

At the risk of sounding rude, could you form a sentence in your reply, I don't understand your answer.

You asked what makes something outdated. Technology has made messenger pigeons outdated. Society has decided that slapping a child is outdated. Advances in medicine have made us realise that diseases are not caused by evil spirits. Opinion when it becomes a consensus suggests something is outdated. Hope that helps.
If your question was specific you should have said.

Redpatio · 08-08-2018 02:15PM

Hitman3000 wrote: »

You asked what makes something outdated. Technology has made messenger pigeons outdated. Society has decided that slapping a child is outdated. Advances in medicine have made us realise that diseases are not caused by evil spirits. Opinion when it becomes a consensus suggests something is outdated. Hope that helps.
If your question was specific you should have said.

Perhaps the question I should have asked was could you define what it means to be outdated?

It seems to me that your definition of outdated is if there is a better process or product which has come about over time then the previous process or product is outdated.

So do you think slapping children is outdated because people have discovered that there are more effective methods to discipline children?

If that is that is case then I don't see how women dressing up to go to a sporting event is outdated.

nthclare · 08-08-2018 02:15PM

eviltimeban wrote: »

Because getting Irish men to dress up would be a car crash in itself. It would be endless ill fitting light blue suits and tan shoes.

Blue suits and brown shoes are very common and a total miss match...

I prefer something more original myself.

Nothing like a good fitted pinstripe or that country attire look.

I work near a place thats popular with wedding photos, theres an exe male model working with me, he always says when he sees the bridal party...let me guess blue suits and brown shoes.....

He's a sharp dresser for a guy in his mid 50's he's still pulling women in their 30's

Nothing worse than being dressed like one's going to a tinkers wedding lol

Hitman3000 · 08-08-2018 02:17PM

Redpatio wrote:

If that is that is case then I don't see how women dressing up to go to a sporting event is outdated.

Neither do I but that was not the question you asked.

Is Ladies Day at the Races outdated and sexist?

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