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Aer Lingus Fleet/Routes Discussion

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  • #4622
    Bussywussy
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    Tenger wrote: »
    Deleted User wrote: »
    4 more 330’s according to rumours floating around

    Bloody hell.
    They have 12/13 in service now?

    13 I think.....jesus 4!!! I haven't heard that...I heard deffo 1 so far and 2nd isn't gauranteed,they are not Qatar machines either...


    As for routes...usual rumours apply Dallas,Denver,Montreal and Minneapolis.


  • #4623
    john boye
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    Tenger wrote: »
    Bloody hell.
    They have 12/13 in service now?

    Some would surely be replacements if it's that many?


  • #4624
    Jamie2k9
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    Second hand A330 market should mean good deals with A350 deliveries taking place to major carriers. Would expect 300 is what they want not 200.


  • #4625
    Van.Bosch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,004 ✭✭✭Van.Bosch


    Tenger wrote: »
    Bloody hell.
    They have 12/13 in service now?

    The ROIC at Aer Lingus is by far the strongest in the IAG group from today’s results, this is been driven by TATL so I could see IAG backing them. 3 or 4 plus the A321’s does sound like a lot though.


  • #4626
    Tenger
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    basill wrote: »
    ........A321s won't be ready till October 2019 at the earliest in which case probably kicked into touch till the following summer as no demand for them over the winter..........
    That’s a pretty bad delay for what isn’t a radical redesign of an existing frame.
    Was delivery to EI planned for April/May?
    Any idea on the reason for the delay, I had read about it online but can’t recall if a reason was given.


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  • #4627
    kevinandrew
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,323 ✭✭✭kevinandrew


    Tenger wrote: »
    basill wrote: »
    ........A321s won't be ready till October 2019 at the earliest in which case probably kicked into touch till the following summer as no demand for them over the winter..........
    That’s a pretty bad delay for what isn’t a radical redesign of an existing frame.
    Was delivery to EI planned for April/May?
    Any idea on the reason for the delay, I had read about it online but can’t recall if a reason was given.


    The aircraft were always Q2 delivery dates so you are correct in saying April/May arrivals, the latest rumour I'd heard was this had slipped by two months so at worst we were looking at July/August so not sure where October at the earliest has come from but it wouldn't surprise me. 

    The issues relate to the engine manufactures not delivering units fast enough to Airbus, this resulted in numerous "gliders" sitting around Toulouse fully painted and ready to go but just waiting for engines. Apparently this issue has eased considerably in recent weeks...

    Aer Lingus is currently refining the service and product design for the A321LR aircraft.


  • #4628
    HTCOne
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    Airbus shelved studies for an A322 with larger wings and stretched fuselage as a direct result of the engine issues in order to try increase production to reduce the backlog. They’re also doing a study on building a 5th final assembly line in Malaysia.

    Both engines on offer for the NEO (Pratt GTF and CFM Leap) suffered severe problems upon entry into service, ETOPS certification was removed from one due a number of failures in flight and the other required 90 minute turnarounds to cool down enough to operate the next flight, can’t remember which was which though. The assembly lines ground to a standstill while these problems were fixed.

    WW is on record with his displeasure at the delay in BA receiving NEOs, I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s seriously turning the screw on Airbus right now for discounts on new frames, he walked away from an order for more A380s for BA earlier in the year also.


  • #4629
    Skuzchad
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    Bussywussy wrote: »
    13 I think.....jesus 4!!! I haven't heard that...I heard deffo 1 so far and 2nd isn't gauranteed,they are not Qatar machines either...


    As for routes...usual rumours apply Dallas,Denver,Montreal and Minneapolis.

    Hopefully a southern city like Houston,Dallas or maybe New orleans or something .would love a direct service to Houston to visit friends .

    Anybody know when they might announce the new routes for 2019 ??


  • #4630
    [Deleted User]
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    Bussywussy wrote: »
    13 I think.....jesus 4!!! I haven't heard that...I heard deffo 1 so far and 2nd isn't gauranteed,they are not Qatar machines either...


    As for routes...usual rumours apply Dallas,Denver,Montreal and Minneapolis.

    Like every rumour always take with with a truck load of salt. No timescale on deliveries.

    Yes there is capacity available but not at peak times. Peak times are at capacity and there is lulls in traffic still. It requires EI to actually schedule more TAs later in the afternoon and evening than they currently do to avail of them.


  • #4631
    basill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,351 ✭✭✭basill


    Or throw their weight around with the DAA. There is no point in being the largest operator at your home base if it cannot be used to your advantage.


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  • #4632
    trellheim
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    Aer Lingus is currently refining the service and product design for the A321LR aircraft.
    What on earth does that mean, they are airplanes . They take people places. If they are TATL there will likely be expensive seats up the front. There; thats most of the job done.


  • #4633
    Locker10a
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    trellheim wrote: »
    Aer Lingus is currently refining the service and product design for the A321LR aircraft.
    What on earth does that mean, they are airplanes . They take people places. If they are TATL there will likely be expensive seats up the front. There; thats most of the job done.
    A little bit more than that goes into it, seats, cabin layout, position of toilets and galleys, gallery layout, including ovens and stowages etc these are all things Airlines can customise and must decide on when they’re receiving brand new aircraft from a manufacturer, among a list of probably one hundred other things


  • #4634
    smurfjed
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    Yep but these things are usually decided during contract negotiations as they cost money.


  • #4635
    Tenger
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    Skuzchad wrote: »
    ................
    Anybody know when they might announce the new routes for 2019 ??
    The article quotes WW saying "2-3 weeks". That might be an optimistic estimate though.


  • #4636
    [Deleted User]
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    Tenger wrote: »
    The article quotes WW saying "2-3 weeks". That might be an optimistic estimate though.

    I think previously when something similar was stated it ended up being the equivalent in months rather than weeks.


  • #4637
    Karl8415
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85 ✭✭Karl8415


    Just been going though the internet to see what’s been said on those new TA routes due to be announced by EI and the 3 that keep coming up is Pittsburgh - Pennsylvania and Montreal,however one quote mentions a possible city in the mid west but again I’ve only read this and these are not confirmed by any solid source


  • #4638
    Tenger
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 10,096 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    I looked at the wEI route map on their website this morning, definitely a big gap in the Mid-West. Either one of Denver, Dallas or Houston would plug that hole.
    Of course this methodology is purely visual!!!


  • #4639
    Karl8415
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85 ✭✭Karl8415


    Denver has raised its head a few times over the years as a possible destination,if I’m not mistaken I think I read before somewhere where they said cargo links would be strong on that route if it ever came on the network,so you never know,not so long ago Willie Walsh said during interview that he can see EI going east but he felt until freight carriage was sufficient then they wouldn’t,so there revenue with fright must be high


  • #4640
    Karl8415
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85 ✭✭Karl8415


    The 330’s have advanced so much since I worked with them because if you look at the likes of ( gcf gaj ) their MTOW is 242T,when I was there EI had ( JFK-CRK-SHN etc and their MTOW was 215T,that’s some difference so if freight was strong enough you could see them sticking 300’s on the routes and not 200’s,I remember in between EI-LAX and EI-EWR arrival into the fleet when they first started lax,EI-LAX went tech and they had to send SHN out to lax but it had to stop in buffalo if memory serves me right,so the new generation 300’s must be a great money earner for EI


  • #4641
    goingnowhere
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    I'd imagine SFO will be made a -300 route
    The issue with the -300 is only 2 have crew rests and some paperwork would be required on the other two new hulls to raise the MTOW as its cheaper on ATC costs to register a lower MTOW, if you are never going to use it


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  • #4642
    HTCOne
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    goingnowhere wrote: »
    I'd imagine SFO will be made a -300 route
    The issue with the -300 is only 2 have crew rests and some paperwork would be required on the other two new hulls to raise the MTOW as its cheaper on ATC costs to register a lower MTOW, if you are never going to use it

    Do FNH & FNJ have the underfloor crew rests fitted?


  • #4643
    goingnowhere
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    FNH & FNJ are not fitted
    GAJ & GCF are fitted a seat 4 less in Y as a result to allow for the access door


  • #4644
    joeysoap
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    cabin crew don’t like FNH and FNJ as their rest area is facing the toilets with the result their rest is disrupted.


  • #4645
    Pat Dunne
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    joeysoap wrote: »
    cabin crew don’t like FNH and FNJ as their rest area is facing the toilets with the result their rest is disrupted.

    Ah yes another wonderful case of a desk bound planner making arrangements for Crew. Without any prior consultation and knowledge of how an aircraft works. It always warms the cockles of my heart to know that these clowns are on the big bucks!


  • #4646
    Marcusm
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    Tenger wrote: »
    I looked at the wEI route map on their website this morning, definitely a big gap in the Mid-West. Either one of Denver, Dallas or Houston would plug that hole.
    Of course this methodology is purely visual!!!

    Not sure what you mean by the Midwest but the denizens of those cities would likely Lynch you if you described them as being in the midwest. Denver and Dallas are both AA hubs.


  • #4647
    Locker10a
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    Anyone know why a Titan 737 was operating flights to LGW today


  • #4648
    Third_Echelon
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    goingnowhere wrote: »
    I'd imagine SFO will be made a -300 route
    The issue with the -300 is only 2 have crew rests and some paperwork would be required on the other two new hulls to raise the MTOW as its cheaper on ATC costs to register a lower MTOW, if you are never going to use it

    It has been a -300 on the route for a good while with a -200 every so often (every tuesday?).


  • #4649
    flange888
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    @Locker10a might be as a result of one of the A320's gone tech during such busy period


  • #4650
    Tenger
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 10,096 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    Marcusm wrote: »
    Not sure what you mean by the Midwest but the denizens of those cities would likely Lynch you if you described them as being in the midwest.
    Yeah, I get what you're saying. I wasnt sure how to describe that area. "West of the MidWest" or "Inland of the West Coast"


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  • #4651
    Pete2k
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    Looks like they've cancelled today's EI111 jfk flight from Shannon and sent the 757 to Dublin to cover the Newark flight... except for the 100 or so being sent to a hotel


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